Jaws2002 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) So much noise about this FMB. Didn't we paid for this one back in 2009 or whenever ROF was released? Edited February 15, 2015 by Jaws2002
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Lawl deleting posts they don't like, even if they're utterly true. I'll be considering that when the time comes to beg for early access, boyos.
Feathered_IV Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 So much noise about this FMB. Didn't we paid for this one back in 2009 or whenever ROF was released? They are currently working on it and adapting it for BoS. But of course, you knew that. Their chief programmer also has taken seriously ill and they've needed to locate and hire a replacement. Once again, you knew that too. But still you like to put the boot in at every opportunity. 9
wellenbrecher Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The BoS Defence Squad is strong in this one. And to see it mercilessly piling on a member of SYN - of all people - is just too funny.
IRRE_Belmont Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 The BoS Defence Squad is strong in this one. And to see it mercilessly piling on a member of SYN - of all people - is just too funny. My opinion is mine and has nothing to do with the SYN Squadron, also, they are right to defend their opinion, this is an open discussion, and definitly not a hate thread. Please do understand that acting like that won't resolve anything 5
IRRE_Belmont Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 Lawl deleting posts they don't like, even if they're utterly true. I'll be considering that when the time comes to beg for early access, boyo The thread was first ''deleted'' because some insults were spread amongst the post. Nothing wrong there
No601_Swallow Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Please do understand that acting like that won't resolve anything As if he wants to resolve anything! Gotta say, though, the variety of paranoic, inuendo-filled, vitriolic aggression to BoS that I've seen on a variety of forums this weekend - in response to some entirely good news from the Devs - has astonished even me. I wonder what they'll attack next! Wonders will never cease. Edited February 15, 2015 by No601_Swallow 2
IRRE_Belmont Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 As if he wants to resolve anything! Gotta say, though, the variety of paranoic, inuendo-filled, vitriolic aggression to BoS that I've seen on a variety of forums in response to some entirely good news from the Devs has astonished even me. I wonder what they'll attack next! Wonders will never cease. +1 on that
slm Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 It's great to hear news about the sequel. Looking at the plane list though, I must say that since we already have Me-109 F4, I'd not add Me-109 F2. Instead I'd pick a totally different kind of plane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_123
Tompa_73 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) As if he wants to resolve anything! Gotta say, though, the variety of paranoic, inuendo-filled, vitriolic aggression to BoS that I've seen on a variety of forums this weekend - in response to some entirely good news from the Devs - has astonished even me. I wonder what they'll attack next! Wonders will never cease. Well the [Edited] never sleep regarding BoS no matter what, although it gets great reviews on offcials game and sim pages everywhere and if you happen to enjoy BoS you are a fool who hasnt seen the empirical truth across the universe, its a conspiracy! Anyway, been away for some time and comes back and sees battle for Moscow! Im thinking this is like Rising Storm for Ro2, right? Something you can buy standalone but also can merge with BoS?? Anyway, this time Im going premium and not standard, where is the pre-order button!? Edited February 15, 2015 by Bearcat
Feathered_IV Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 @ Sim, The Henschel would be a pretty amazing. One of those aircraft that served on every front from the first day until the last. 1
Finkeren Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Looking at the plane list though, I must say that since we already have Me-109 F4, I'd not add Me-109 F2. I think there are several good reasons to include the F2 in the lineup: 1. It was the mainstay LW fighter at the time. 2. Its lighter armament will be a better match against the opposition (not one of the new VVS fighters will be cannon-armed by default) 3. It won't be able to carry gun pods (especially important when trying to take down an IL-2 without Minengeschoss rounds) 4. Most importantly: The F2 has a different engine! the DB 601N is rated at almost 200hp less than the DB 601E of the F4! It also has the narrower prop blades of earlier 109s. The result is not only lower top speed but inferior high altitude performance, which will make a huge difference when going up against the MiG-3. All this is not to say anything against the Hs 123. I'd love to see the devs do that one with their experience in modelling biplanes. Perhaps with a Chaika to match? 3
SYN_Ricky Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I'd say that early versions of Yak and LaGG would be necessary too to create historical scenarios, hope we will see them later.
No601_Swallow Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I think there are several good reasons to include the F2 in the lineup... What an outstanding post! Clear, to the point and packed with interesting and important information. Now I'm really looking forward to both the F2 and the MiG3. Many thanks.
Juri_JS Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I think the German plane set is ok, although a Hs-123 would be great. I was more disappointed by the VVS plane set. Instead of the Il-2 and Pe-2 the battle of Moscow would be a great opportunity to add the Su-2/I-153 and SB-2/DB-3. I hope we will one day see these planes in a "Il-2 Sturmovik: Operation Barbarossa" title.Btw, could anybody explain to me the difference between the IL-2 model 1941 and the IL-2 AM-38? Isn't this basically the same aircraft?
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 15, 2015 1CGS Posted February 15, 2015 Btw, could anybody explain to me the difference between the IL-2 model 1941 and the IL-2 AM-38? Isn't this basically the same aircraft? If I'm reading the data correctly, then two differences come to mind: -No VYa-23 cannons -No rear gunner field mod
IRRE_Belmont Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 I think the German plane set is ok, although a Hs-123 would be great. I was more disappointed by the VVS plane set. Instead of the Il-2 and Pe-2 the battle of Moscow would be a great opportunity to add the Su-2/I-153 and SB-2/DB-3. I hope we will one day see these planes in a "Il-2 Sturmovik: Operation Barbarossa" title. Btw, could anybody explain to me the difference between the IL-2 model 1941 and the IL-2 AM-38? Isn't this basically the same aircraft? I think the Il2 Am-38 got basicly a better engine
Juri_JS Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I think the Il2 Am-38 got basicly a better engine Didn't both use the AM-38 engine?
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) I2. Its lighter armament will be a better match against the opposition (not one of the new VVS fighters will be cannon-armed by default) F-2 could be easily upgraded to MG151/20 by changing the barrel. That way you have the same armarment as the F-4 and G-2 variants. It also feautured the ability to switch back to the MGFF with 60 round capacity, which required a little more tinkering. The F-2 won't feel any inferiour to the planed opposition than the F-4 is against the Yak and La-5 in BoS. It still will be an interesting matchup, espeically taking the E-7 into account as well (which is more than a fair match against the Mig-3). Agree on ther disappointment on the VVS plane setup. Su-2 would really have interested me since it was also a reconnisence plane and could be interestign in MP for special missions, not to mention it's a beautyfull aircraft. But I guess time is short and things have to take shape, which I can accept. Edited February 15, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka
Juri_JS Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 wing shape... :-) I think the redesigned wings appeared first in 1943 with the Type 3 series.
Finkeren Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The F-2 won't feel any inferiour to the planed opposition than the F-4 is against the Yak and La-5 in BoS. It still will be an interesting matchup, espeically taking the E-7 into account as well (which is more than a fair match against the Mig-3). I agree, that it'll be a better matchup than the F4/G2, but honestly I think the MiG-3 will indeed pose a real problem at altitudes over 4000m, especially if we get the lightened later series that I argued for in another thread. The production MiGs seldom were able to reach the advertised top speed of some 650km/h, but they would be at least as fast as the F2 at altitude and were very strong climbers. Down on the deck the MiG would be much inferior in performance to even the E7, but up high I'd expect it to excell over even the F2.
Bearcat Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 So much noise about this FMB. Didn't we paid for this one back in 2009 or whenever ROF was released? We paid for the FMB in RoF... Obviously the FMB in it's entirety will need to be tweaked and redone for BoS... and of course that takes time. We do not know what kind of functionality they are trying to work into this given the complexity of the old one and the things they habve learned since 2009 .. so rather than constantly second guessing the devs and dismissing what is a very good update with great news.. Why not just be optimistic and see what it brings. Lawl deleting posts they don't like, even if they're utterly true. I'll be considering that when the time comes to beg for early access, boyos. 5. Moderators oversee the different sections of the forum and they have the right to edit and delete posts or close the entire topic without explanation. 6. It is forbidden to discuss the actions of moderators and administrators in any form on the forum. All questions are to be sent via "personal message" to the administrator/moderator. The BoS Defence Squad is strong in this one. And to see it mercilessly piling on a member of SYN - of all people - is just too funny. Is that really necessary? I think that aside from some really uncalled for comments in here... like this one and a few others that have been edited.... this thread is going pretty well... As if he wants to resolve anything! Gotta say, though, the variety of paranoic, inuendo-filled, vitriolic aggression to BoS that I've seen on a variety of forums this weekend - in response to some entirely good news from the Devs - has astonished even me. I wonder what they'll attack next! Wonders will never cease. Indeed...
ScotsmanFlyingscotsman Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 IMHO I hope the price of the new module is reasonable. I don't expect the software team to support expansions forever for my initial payment, DCS World asks for $39.99 or $39.99 for a single aircraft so an expansion for a reasonable wad of Euros seems reasonable to me, my Wife may agree with the detractors LOL but I really like this sim, I think it is a leap forward from Oleg's original, which I now find I play rarely. I hope the aircraft shown in the announcement are all flyable and looking forward to it. I'm not a dead dick shot, still rubbish at landing but I ENJOY flying the aircraft when I get time and I have other flight sim's too. This is 2015, this is what we have and we've come a long way. I thank the Ladies and Gents of the Dev team for their efforts and hope we can enjoy their work for many years to come. On a historical note, look at the detial, I was able to fly over the childrens statue outside the railway station...I've seen that in clips many times, impressed Re selection of aircraft, Yes maybe I would like some different ones on the Russian side, but we know very little in the west of the war from their side, so If I have to struggle with a machine that seems like a flying deathtrap, I do sometimes think of the brave men and women who really flew these things....we can alwasy press...EXIT! Yes I will be shelling out more money on this sim and hope the future looks bright 2
ScotsmanFlyingscotsman Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 As addendum to my IMHO, how long have we been waiting for DCS Nevada Scenery, and how much will that cost. It all evens out and we have flight sims, WAY past what we had some years back, I'll be buying this one
wtornado Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Well I have read enough on everything going on with this game. Don't have to come back until there is change. We are on the ''broken record'' mod right now with the continuous repeating of stuff. Like I used to say in the old IL-2 forums... See ya in 2 weeks!
LLv44_Mprhead Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 About E-7; wasn't it used mainly by schlachtgeschwaders at the time?
LLv44_Mprhead Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 About E-7; wasn't it used mainly by schlachtgeschwaders at the time? Let me rephrase that: wasn't it mainly used for jabo duties at the time?
SYN_Ricky Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Let me rephrase that: wasn't it mainly used for jabo duties at the time? Yes indeed, even if a few fighters units were still using it too (III/JG 27 for an example, before it was retired from the eastern front and sent to NA).
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) About E-7; wasn't it used mainly by schlachtgeschwaders at the time? The EMils reccieved engine and armour upgrades but didn't serve in their fighter role usually. The upgrades made them heavier and overall reduced performance. Also not all deployed attacker Emils were E-7, some were BoB E-1s and 3s refitted to match an E-7 model (more or less). They were quickly phased out when Bf110s, Ju 87s and Hs 129 took over as the Luftwaffe's primary Schlachtflugzeuge. I agree, that it'll be a better matchup than the F4/G2, but honestly I think the MiG-3 will indeed pose a real problem at altitudes over 4000m, especially if we get the lightened later series that I argued for in another thread. The production MiGs seldom were able to reach the advertised top speed of some 650km/h, but they would be at least as fast as the F2 at altitude and were very strong climbers. Down on the deck the MiG would be much inferior in performance to even the E7, but up high I'd expect it to excell over even the F2. Yea I agree on the Mig's advantages, though this (and probably roll rate) will be it's main advantages against the F-2. I still like this matchup more, espeically if both adversaries are modeled accurately to their historical specs, since y really need to beat your enemy with your strenghs and less on equal terms that way. Hopefully this will make for more tactical based battles rather than low alt turn fights. I can't wait for the Mig-3 and would also fight F-4s and G-2 with it any time, because it is beautyfull and high demanding, just like me Edited February 15, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka
LizLemon Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I think the German plane set is ok, although a Hs-123 would be great. I was more disappointed by the VVS plane set. Instead of the Il-2 and Pe-2 the battle of Moscow would be a great opportunity to add the Su-2/I-153 and SB-2/DB-3. I hope we will one day see these planes in a "Il-2 Sturmovik: Operation Barbarossa" title. Btw, could anybody explain to me the difference between the IL-2 model 1941 and the IL-2 AM-38? Isn't this basically the same aircraft? The german side has the 111 and now the 88 coming in. Russian side needs a proper medium bomber.
Sokol1 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Was said that BoM premium planes (Macchi, P-40) can be bough for BoS. And BoS premium planes (La5, Fw 190) will can be bought for BoM?
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 15, 2015 1CGS Posted February 15, 2015 Let me rephrase that: wasn't it mainly used for jabo duties at the time? Many were also handed over to the Slovaks and Romanians, who used them mainly as fighters. The german side has the 111 and now the 88 coming in. Russian side needs a proper medium bomber. It does - the Pe-2.
PointyPuffin Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 What about a Battle of Berlin later on? With the IL-10, La-7, Bf-109 K, He-162 and Me-262? 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The german side has the 111 and now the 88 coming in. Russian side needs a proper medium bomber. The DB-3/IL-4 is pretty much the only choice outside of the Pe-2. And really... from the start to the end the Pe-2 was pretty much a constant force and one of the most effective frontal bombers available. So they made a good choice... but I'd like the IL-4 too
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is plenty of airwar to explore before 1944/45/46 and Heavy hunting is one of my favorite jobs as an Fw jockey.
PointyPuffin Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The DB-3/IL-4 is pretty much the only choice outside of the Pe-2. And really... from the start to the end the Pe-2 was pretty much a constant force and one of the most effective frontal bombers available. So they made a good choice... but I'd like the IL-4 too Or the TB-3.
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