Is it true that flaps can't be put on an axis?

[Uriah]

I know most of the German planes that flaps were not a gradual thing and buttons were actually used.  But on the Soviet planes levers I believed were used. I am thinking the Yak-1 and Lagg-3.  Sense they were on levers I was hoping to assing one of the 'axis' from my CH THROTTLE QUARANT to control the flaps for those Soviet planes that had a gradual change in flap deployment.

 

So am I in affect stuck with using keys for flaps even for Soviet planes?

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The Soviet flaps on the yak at least only has one position, I think it's the same for the other soviet planes. I think the 109 is the only one that can be set to any angle

[J2_Trupobaw]

La(GG)s have flaps in many position, but controlled by "push to raise, push to lower" buttons. AFAIR No planes have a "Pull lever so far to lower flaps so far" levers - the wheel in German planes is closest thing, but it's nowhere as comfortable as lever.

There is no way to assign flaps to lever I know of, either.

Edited February 11, 2015 by Trupobaw

[Finkeren]

It's far better this way, as it makes operating the flaps much closer to how it was IRL.

[Warpig]

Russian flaps were controlled with levers, and Germans with wheels... Could always put both.

 

I fly Germans, why can't I have the option to use my trim wheels on my HOTAS?....... Is this being looked into?

[Sokol1]

I know most of the German planes that flaps were not a gradual thing and buttons were actually used.  But on the Soviet planes levers I believed were used. I am thinking the Yak-1 and Lagg-3. 

 

No, Bf 109 and Fw 190 flaps  are gradual thing, the first operated by crank and the second press and hold buttons.

Same for He 111  controlled be On-Off-On lever.

Only Stuka use 3 fixed positions, controlled by lever.

 

YaK-1 flaps are controlled by two position lever on left console - is full closed of full open (similar to Spitfire flaps), or is a On-Off switch.

Lagg-3 is controlled be two press and hold buttons on panel and can be stop at any angle between 0 and 60º.

 

The way that this control is modeled in game (keys or buttons) has no relation with the real thing - if be lever or be button - but is (IMO) a good compromise and difficult a bit use flaps cheater (for non HOTAS users).

[BraveSirRobin]

I fly Germans, why can't I have the option to use my trim wheels on my HOTAS?.......

 

Realism.  If it takes 10 seconds for the pilot to lower the flaps manually, then you need to push the button that makes then extend for 10 seconds.  If it just requires moving a switch and the flaps extend automatically, then all you do in the game is push the button once.

Edited February 11, 2015 by BraveSirRobin

[-TBC-AeroAce]

One reason it might be bad to have on axis or wheel is that could effectively make it a cheat/advantage for people that have it.

 

For example with a button or a wheel in real life you would need to constantly hold/turn the wheel until it is the correct position, meaning your hand was off the throttle for a given length of time .

 

If this was put to axis/wheel you could very quickly how much flap u want and return your hands to the throttle while the flap extends which would not be possible in real life..

 

Hence the use of a wheel or axis is unrealistic and is akin to an automated system. But by all means if the ac did have a selector axis would be acceptable

Edited February 11, 2015 by AeroAce

[Uriah]

I did some checking and this is what I wrote up.

FLAPS issue

In BoS there is no way to assign flaps to a lever/axis. This is in part to reflect real life. Soviet planes Lagg-3 had gradual but it was a push in buttons. Ditto on the La-5. The Yak-1 did have a lever but it was only for forward or back and so it was full flaps down or fully retracted. For the German fighters the 109 has a wheel that has to be turned many times. The affect on the flap is gradual. In the FW 190-A it is indeed just two buttons. It only allows three positions: full retracted, fully deployed and a third that is only party deployed.

[Warpig]

Russian flaps were controlled with levers, and Germans with wheels... Could always put both.

 

I fly Germans, why can't I have the option to use my trim wheels on my HOTAS?....... Is this being looked into?

Ohh, I was referring to trims. The flaps I can handle just fine on buttons, my mistake.

 

Is trim assignable to an axis yet?

[Bearcat]

I don't mind flaos not being on an axis. I do mind trim not being on an axis. It is what it is. I still have not finalized my stick set up yet because I don't like the way some things are implemented.

[Sokol1]

Ohh, I was referring to trims. The flaps I can handle just fine on buttons, my mistake.

 

Is trim assignable to an axis yet?

 

The current answers: Сейчас не считаем это важным.

[Uriah]

 

 

No, Bf 109 and Fw 190 flaps are gradual thing, the first operated by crank and the second press and hold buttons.

So Sokol1, Are you saying in the 190-a that a pilot could actually move his flaps to just about any degree, not just the three positions as in this game?

And trims, I thought that the ability to use axis/levers for trims was fixed.  I guess the only thing that was fixed was the ability to have trims in the first place.

I checked my settings, and sure enough, trims can only be assigned to buttons.

[kestrel79]

I don't mind flaos not being on an axis. I do mind trim not being on an axis. It is what it is. I still have not finalized my stick set up yet because I don't like the way some things are implemented.

 

Bingo. Miss my trim on my x52 pro throttle rotories like I have set in EVERY. OTHER. SIM.

[No601_Swallow]

I've been annoyed about trim too. At least the 109's stabilizer is trimable with an axis. I can understand the 190's not being, since that was activated by buttons. But the russians' trim? Didn't they have little trim wheels too? (I'm talking about elevator trim...)

 

But the lack of love in BoS towards axes is annoying too. I have two Saitek throttle quadrants (I'm left handed and can't use a "hotas" set-up), which means I've got plenty of levers to spare. Grrr!

Edited February 12, 2015 by No601_Swallow

[VBF-12_Snake9]

I would like to add my name to the complaint of no trim on axis.  I have complained about this since the beginning.  I have lots of axis sitting around doing nothing.  It's just dumb.  Plain and simple.  Although, I have discovered the supercharger can be mapped to my axis lever.  Little info there.   

[=LD=Penshoon]

The only sims that I've tried and know of that simulate trim tabs is DCS and BOS and as far as I know neither can do trim on an axis. 

[9./JG27golani79]

The only sims that I've tried and know of that simulate trim tabs is DCS and BOS and as far as I know neither can do trim on an axis. 

 

In DCS if it´s possible in the real aircraft you can set the trim to axis - if it´s not then you can´t set it to axis.

Trim axis available for the 109 and P51 but not for the 190.

[=LD=Penshoon]

In DCS if it´s possible in the real aircraft you can set the trim to axis - if it´s not then you can´t set it to axis.

Trim axis available for the 109 and P51 but not for the 190.

The 109 doesn't use trim tabs but the p-51 does. I couldn't get trim working on g940 axes in the p-51 module last time I tried but was a while ago so I might be wrong. 

[9./JG27golani79]

The 109 also had trim tabs but they weren´t adjustable during flight - they were set on the ground.

When I wrote trim axis available I just meant that it was possible to set the function to an axis (horizontal stabilizer in the 109 and trim in the p51).

 

Just tried to set the trim functions of the P51 to rotary axis on my X55 and it´s working fine.

If it´s not a problem / bug with the g940 it should also work for you.

[wtornado]

I have a CH Throttle quadrant too.

 

In Cliffs of Dover my flaps are used on one of its axes

and they work great.

 

In this game nada nyet ne no non nej nee ei ara nein ohee.

[SharpeXB]

Even if the flaps in the 109 were assignable to an axis in the sim, it should take a certain amount of time to lower them. With a game controller axis you could just lower them instantly. Which isn't accurate. If the Devs add axis input for trim and flaps maybe there's a way of modifying the axis input with a maximum speed of adjustment.

[Finkeren]

Even if the flaps in the 109 were assignable to an axis in the sim, it should take a certain amount of time to lower them. With a game controller axis you could just lower them instantly. Which isn't accurate. If the Devs add axis input for trim and flaps maybe there's a way of modifying the axis input with a maximum speed of adjustment.

Even that is not a great solution, because it still creates a situation, where the player can just quickly set the flaps and let them deploy automatically while his hands are free to do other things, giving an unfair advantage.

 

For flaps control, the current system is the best solution in any flight sim by far.

 

Trim is another story though.

[9./JG27golani79]

Even that is not a great solution, because it still creates a situation, where the player can just quickly set the flaps and let them deploy automatically while his hands are free to do other things, giving an unfair advantage.

 

For flaps control, the current system is the best solution in any flight sim by far.

 

Trim is another story though.

 

You can also set the flaps on a switch on the stick or throttle which you can press while still doing other things - so technically I think it wouldn´t matter.

[wtornado]

I use my hat on my Joystick 0 degrees =up

and 180 degrees=down

[Finkeren]

You can also set the flaps on a switch on the stick or throttle which you can press while still doing other things - so technically I think it wouldn´t matter.

No, because for the planes with gradual setting, it's still a press-and-hold system, so it still works realistically.

[SharpeXB]

Trim is another story though.

If trim was on an axis wouldn't it be possible to snap the 109 into some instantaneous turn by flipping it's adjustable stabilizer?

I've noticed that adjusting the stabilizer in a sustained turn (probably a mistake) can give you a bit of an edge but of course it doesn't deploy instantly.

[wtornado]

No, because for the planes with gradual setting, it's still a press-and-hold system, so it still works realistically.

My PE-2 works with my hat like I said earlier percentage wise from 0% to 100%

 

I like me bombers.

[Finkeren]

If trim was on an axis wouldn't it be possible to snap the 109 into some instantaneous turn by flipping it's adjustable stabilizer?

I've noticed that adjusting the stabilizer in a sustained turn (probably a mistake) can give you a bit of an edge but of course it doesn't deploy instantly.

I honestly don't think it would be much of a concern. Deploying the trim, even instantaneously, will not be appreciately faster than simply pulling the stick. The 109 has more than enough elevator authority to stall its wings in most instances anyway. The only situation, where I can see it being useful is in pulling out of a dive, and there the 2 sec it takes to deploy trim right now is already fast enough.

[Sokol1]

Even that is not a great solution, because it still creates a situation, where the player can just quickly set the flaps and let them deploy automatically while his hands are free to do other things, giving an unfair advantage.

 

 

A HOTAS user can set a timed macro that lower the Bf 109 flaps, lets say 10º/20º  with only a momentary button press, and thus have this "unfair advantage".

 

 

 

In Cliffs of Dover my flaps are used on one of its axes and they work great.

 

Yes you can assign, but the axis will work like a ON/OFF switch on Spitfire, or (ON)-OFF-(ON) switch on Bf 109, Hurricane, not as "gradual slider" like the OP want.

[9./JG27golani79]

No, because for the planes with gradual setting, it's still a press-and-hold system, so it still works realistically.

Wouldn´t say so - realistically spoken you would have to take your hand off the throttle.

In the game I can bind it to a switch on the throttle - so I can set my flaps while I still can control the throttle.

 

 

If trim was on an axis wouldn't it be possible to snap the 109 into some instantaneous turn by flipping it's adjustable stabilizer?

I've noticed that adjusting the stabilizer in a sustained turn (probably a mistake) can give you a bit of an edge but of course it doesn't deploy instantly.

 

Flaps or trim / stabilizer don´t just move all of a sudden from min to max or vice versa in DCS - it still takes time.

[Sokol1]

In this game the time to move the Bf 109 stabilizer with keys or axis is the same, so the "snap turn" theory by trim on axis is not practical.

[Vaxxtx]

Its done that way to be historically accurate....and as true to real life as possible.

 

 

You never saw the special German 109"m" series. You know, the one with the MK3 mouse control instead of stick. Its definitely not a limitation with the engine the game runs on. No sir.

[dburne]

They really should allow flaps to be assigned to an axis, if concerned about instant full flaps, just put in timer to keep it from being used to an unrealistic advantage.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

in DCS P51 and 109 work on my x52 rotaries axis.