NVIDIA 3D Vision FIX

[C6_lefuneste]

3Dvision is working perfectly for me (win 10 64b. I just have to play with my previsous convergence settings because they made a strange effect, the right eye view was rotated instead shifted. I just had to unlock the keys usage in the advance part of the 3Dvision setting panel and ruse the to reduce convergence.

It seems to me that there is far less ghosting that before...

[SR603-Flowbee]

Thanks for your reply.

 

I am unfortunately running win 7 64. I have been jumping through hoops trying to find a solution creating more work. I will have to wait and hope for a fix.

[Habu]

Thanks for your reply.

 

I am unfortunately running win 7 64. I have been jumping through hoops trying to find a solution creating more work. I will have to wait and hope for a fix.

It works fine for me on W7 64 bits.

 

You have to set Full screen and Vsynch on.

[SR603-Flowbee]

Thanks for the information. 

 

I have checked, although I already knew about these obvious settings. 

 

I have made a clean new installation of the game and also loaded the latest NVidia driver.

 

Nothing that I have tried will make this game run in 3DVision. Other games are fine.

 

I am using a GTX970. This is nuts.

Edited July 7, 2017 by Flowbee_603

[Habu]

Here are my graphic settings, try the same.

 

[SR603-Flowbee]

Thank you for this as it is still not switching into 3D however I see that my TARGET FPS is stuck at 60 while yours is at 120. It should be adjustable from what I remember. Maybe that is a clue. I will try to get it to 120 somehow or find where it is stored.

[SR603-Flowbee]

Ok another red herring. Fps target was locked by vsync. Have now got the same as you but will not switch into 3D. Going to try another driver install. What driver are you on?

[Habu]

I'm using the driver 382.53 with a 980 GTX. it was the last when i updated it las week.

 

As you found, you have to adjust your fps limit before activating the vsync option.

[SR603-Flowbee]

Thanks again.

 

Still getting nowhere. The 3D is activated, the glasses are on, the keys and dial both change the values but the picture remains in 2D but at half the fps. I have never seen anything like it.

 

I am now going to install il2 on a completely different pc because I think it is either a registry issue or an issue with the GTX 970. All other 3D programs work as normal so it is not a hardware fault as such. I thought it was the openvr api but my windows 7 installation is uptodate. Very frustrating experience.

 

One more question, are you running il2 via steam or standalone?

Edited July 8, 2017 by Flowbee_603

[Habu]

I have a stand alone version.

 

May you post your startup.cfg (erase you login in the files).

 

In the nvidia driver, i set the refresh rate to 120 for the windows desktop. I do not use any nvidia profil.

 

Did you uninstall all the comunity patch if you used it.

Edited July 8, 2017 by Habu

[SR603-Flowbee]

I also set desktop to 120 made no difference.

I have the stand alone version.

I tried different settings including Nvidia defaults after driver install.

I deleted il2 completely then did a fresh install from web.

 

I will post the startup.cfg when I get back to pc. I hope you find something different in it.

 

Thank you for helping.

[SR603-Flowbee]

Have got it running on a GTX760 win7 64 based system after fixing the VCRUNTIME140.dll error and installing 382.53 driver. I was amazed to find that it ran at a steady 60 fps in 3D. Hopefully I can now narrow down the problem to what is stopping it running on the GTX 970 system.

 

I much appreciate your help in getting this sorted as I was thinking I had to upgrade to win 10 and steam.

[Habu]

Cool. Have fun.

[SR603-Flowbee]

Spent all day trying to get to the bottom of why it will not run on my GTX 970. But I've exhausted every possibility.

 

I am going to create a win 10 installation on another drive and then see what happens.

 

From what I have seen of the game the 3D Vision is now awesome. Just can't believe I'm the person it doesn't want to play with.

[Habu]

Sorry to hear that, i missunderstood, and thought that it was working.

[SR603-Flowbee]

I built a test system using a GTX 760 and it works on there.

 

However, my gaming system, which uses a GTX 970 can not run the game anymore.

 

As this system also has all my peripherals attached I need to find a way to make it work using Windows 7 64 and a GTX 970. The only way forward, having exhausted all other possibilities that I can see, seems to be to build a dual boot system with lL-2 running under Windows 10. This would be fine as long as the issue is not a timing issue with my BENQ xl2720 monitor. Then I would really be screwed.

 

Clearly this is a big complication and I hope a solution can be found in further patches, however, unless someone else has the same problem, my chances of someone other than myself fixing my problem is very slim. I am very grateful though for the help as it has shown me what can work and therefore what options I have.

[Toxin1]

I built a test system using a GTX 760 and it works on there.

 

However, my gaming system, which uses a GTX 970 can not run the game anymore.

 

As this system also has all my peripherals attached I need to find a way to make it work using Windows 7 64 and a GTX 970. The only way forward, having exhausted all other possibilities that I can see, seems to be to build a dual boot system with lL-2 running under Windows 10. This would be fine as long as the issue is not a timing issue with my BENQ xl2720 monitor. Then I would really be screwed.

 

Clearly this is a big complication and I hope a solution can be found in further patches, however, unless someone else has the same problem, my chances of someone other than myself fixing my problem is very slim. I am very grateful though for the help as it has shown me what can work and therefore what options I have.

You may want to put your GTX 970 in the test system to rule out an issue with the Nvidia driver or Windows 7 registry. Since your other 3D games work and the GTX 760 works, I don't thinks its your monitor timing.

[SR603-Flowbee]

I suspect it may be the registry but after looking into it I couldn't find anything that could be related. I have no idea how to go about fixing the registry and feel that I might make things worse. I've tried lots of different Nvidia video drivers and the problem remains the same. The GTX 970 works same as before for every other game. Hence the idea of a dual boot system. I have a drive already just need to get Windows 10.

 

Thanks for the input.

[Habu]

May you try the 970 in your test system ?

[SR603-Flowbee]

After a lot of time and hassle I eventually got Windows 10 installed on my GTX 970 system and the game ran after a couple of simple fixes involving downloads. It steadfastly refuses to engage 3D on Win 7. I suspect it has to be the registry or a very well hidden setting.

 

I was disappointed at the lack of user adjustment available leading to very small 3D in the external view. But hats off to 777 for having a go at 3D Vision and it works out of the box (mostly). Well done getting it this far!

[Habu]

Which fix are you talking ?

 

It works without any 3d mod now.

[SR603-Flowbee]

I wasn't talking about 3D, I was talking about Microsoft downloads one for C++ and several for DotNet versions running from 2.0 to 4.0 quite a few people had problems with this so I was able to draw on their solutions. Again your English is better than my French but confusion is bound to arise. I find the forums very useful in finding solutions. Will need to experiment with the DOF setting to see what it does in reference to 3D. More 3D and adjustment would be good. Also good to see icons fixed for those that use them.

 

777 have done brilliant supporting 3D I hope Jason doesn't turn his back on it has he has hinted that niche technologies might not be supported due to the number of people reporting problems. 2 out of the 3 systems I tested on needed extra files just to run the game but hopefully this was not related to the support of 3D but down to the fact that new installations are missing files that should be included in the "redist" folder.

[Habu]

Ok, you talked about windows library.

 

In the redist folder, there are the 2 libraries you need to run the game : dot net 4.0 and vc_redist. I think that at the end of the update, the program should run that libraries and check if your system need them or not, as they did with directx on rof.

[SR603-Flowbee]

My 3D now has very little "3D".

 

Can it be changed anywhere - my separation is at max and convergence does very little.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Flowbee_603

[Habu]

I don't understand what you mean by "has a very little 3d". I didn't test with the last hotfix.

[SR603-Flowbee]

I tried to post 3D screenshots but I was not allowed.

 

I renamed them to jpg but I could not then download them again to view them in anything other than a reduced sized jpg that could not be renamed.

 

Finally I zipped the pics.

 

Perhaps you could show me how a max 3D screenshot looks on your system by uploading  it. An external view of the aircraft in flight would be really usefull.

Il-209_50.zip

Edited July 21, 2017 by Flowbee_603

[Habu]

Ok, i'll do some screenshot as soon i can. I use the default setting for the deph in the nvidia panel for 3D.

[Toxin1]

Tested the 3D Vision with the new HotFix#2 last night and still works as advertised.  However, I have a GTX 1070 so can't confirm on older 780 card.

[SR603-Flowbee]

The hot fix has no bearing on the 3D. It just took me a while to upgrade to Win 10 and when I finally got there I find my 3D is very limited. I've posted screen shots of before and after the 3D support was added. I just want to know if maybe I am missing something.

 

Has anyone looked at the screenshots I uploaded? I would be interested if you notice the difference. I much prefer the big 3D I was getting before.

[Toxin1]

Viewed your screen shots and I can confirm the difference in the 3D you are referring to for the external views.  I was never able to see that level of depth even with the previous iteration using the Helix Mod for DX9, so I can't comment on what has changed.  

[SR603-Flowbee]

I was getting really good depth with my 3D mod before, as you've seen, but now I get virtually no depth at all in external view and only a very small looking cockpit instead of a "life size" cockpit. Sadly there doesn't seem to be any adjustment available either. Just seems like a very odd interpretation of 3D support. However with the threat of "niche tech" support withdrawal, I had better not grumble.

[SR603-Flowbee]

I managed to screw up the pics I zipped between jumping from win 10 to win 7.

 

The ones I posted above were all modded 3D.

 

This pair are what I see currently.

Il-203_50.zip

Edited July 21, 2017 by Flowbee_603

[Habu]

Here are some i did with the last public version which are similar to what you have now .

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/miqgpp143fenaok/Il2_3d_screenshot.zip?dl=0

 

Your first screen have a bigger depth in external view. But if i remind, some mod can set depth for external view and internal view. In your MOD version, the 3D go out of the screen in external view.

[sport02]

me too , I am not satisfied with the new 3D , the depth is bad and I can't get a good setting and for the first time that hurts my eyes . it's not playable now , worse than before .

effectively the view turn when I change convergence , I d' ont understand !!

ok  now we have not problem with clouds ,  shadows , smoke , flame etc but for me it's not run well , before the update I had a good and réalistic depth , but not now .

perhaps new profil in nvidia needs to update driver ? I will try to update .

Edited July 22, 2017 by sport02

[Wolfred]

Can confirm that 3d vision depth in BOS, have not the same good depth as ROF, in rof i can adjust to full 3d without hurts my eyes

[sport02]

exactly , also before this update we can put depth to 100% without problem for eyes .

even if I put to 15% my eyes cry , and could not resolve it with convergence .

 

I update nvidia driver and no change

 

I wait for a long time for correction and now I am obliged to play on 2D , I am very desappointed !!

 

Windows seven 64b

I7 7600K ASUSZ710  780GTX GHZ 16Go DDR4  ssd sandisk + intel

Edited July 27, 2017 by sport02

[HenHawk]

Will devs continue to support and fix 3D vision? Seems this last update killed it.

[Habu]

Will devs continue to support and fix 3D vision? Seems this last update killed it.

May you stop with big word, It didn't kill, it gave the support to the 3D vision natively. Maybe it's not the depth you had with a mod, but it's not kill. Anyone who run 3dvision can do it without having to search a  mod now. The 3d vision work at stock now (maybe not perfect, but better than before at stock). Before that patch, there were several problems which can be fix only with a mod.

 

If you want to be usefull, instead of saying kill which mean nothing, explain what you want, or what is the problem. It will be more constructive.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Habu

[sport02]

sorry but no is worse than before for some players ,  before some mod was for bad shaders not for depth with was good .

now is the reverse ;  bad depth and good shaders , but with problem with depth make the game unplayable for some players ,  no mod for me .

and no help or explanation about that .

Edited July 27, 2017 by sport02

[Habu]

Sport, you can't say that the game is unplayeable because the depth is not what you want. Maybe you don't like the settings, but it's playable.

 

If you want some help you have to be more precise, and we can report it. When i asked some informations a few week ago (before the patch 2.011), nobody answered me (except lefuneste which stop to play in 3dvision for VR,  because i send him a PM, and it take on that time to answer me, and give me some information which help me) here or on C6 (where i asked too), when i need information to report and test. Before the patch 2.11, i didn't play in 3d vision, now i can, without having to download and install any mod. Maybe it's not perfect and could be improve, but it works outofbox.

 

There is one problem, it's the gunsight.

 

I'm going to report the problem of depth.

 

If i report that we can't use the depth at 100% of the nvidia settings, is it ok for you guys, or do you want i add some other informations ?