Is There A Chance The Yak 1b Will Be Added?

[IV./JG5_-Axe-]

As title says, I'm wondering if the unofficial B upgrade to the Yak 1s will ever be added. I was unable to find anything in the forum regarding this.

 

Also, sorry if this is the wrong place to post.

[Descolada]

the one we have is basically a 1b anyways

 

all its missing is the bubble canopy and different armament

[Jade_Monkey]

I think it will be unlikely. They are working on other planes and I'm sure that people prefer to have a more diversified choice of planes.

Since the resources are limited, my guess is that they will work on things with more revenue potential (distinct premium planes).

 

However, that's just my opinion.

[sop]

Well if they can have 2 variants of the Messerschmitt in game I dont see why they cant upgrade the yak we have, it wasnt even an offical release they just improved it and kept the factory line going.

[Finkeren]

A Yak-7B would be a more interesting Yak tbh.

 

I still keep my hopes up of one day seeing a MiG-3.

[Hartigan]

Well if they can have 2 variants of the Messerschmitt in game I dont see why they cant upgrade the yak we have, it wasnt even an offical release they just improved it and kept the factory line going.

 

Good point! Maybe we can see different variants later. At this point i hope that they make many different aircraft types and even lend lease fighters

[Yakdriver]

LaGG-3 S1/4! S35! S66!
And the Goddamn Yak. Family of course.

and for the axis? tons of Junk. a 52, an 86, 90, 252...290...
The more Junk, the Better.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

bring a fw condor 

 

a very nice plane

Edited February 10, 2015 by AeroAce

[ShamrockOneFive]

I sure hope so. I'd like to see the Yak-1B and Yak-7B seeing as they were both in this battle. True that the Yak-1 we have is already a very late series Yak-1 with similar performance levels. So we're not really in this for performance advantage... just looks or interest and a slight edge in firepower. I'm assuming that any chance of a Yak-9 would wait for Kuban, Kursk, or some other battle if we ever go there. Have to save something for later

[Feathered_IV]

I'd really like to buy the Yak-1b if it became available.  For reasons more aesthetic than technical. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I'd really like to buy the Yak-1b if it became available.  For reasons more aesthetic than technical. 

 

lol is tht a joke, i know there is a bit of streamlining but really

spit mk1 to blah, yess i like the streamlining and blender on the front but the basic shape is what sells me

[Feathered_IV]

Not sure what you mean by blender.

[Adriaan]

The bubble canopy on the Yak-1b would be a really nice feature though.

[IV./JG5_-Axe-]

the one we have is basically a 1b anyways

 

all its missing is the bubble canopy and different armament

 

 

I fail to see this in the game. The engine seems to be the un-upgraded one, there's no retractable tail wheel, etc. To me they seem very different. However, if it is as you say, then a low back with bubble canopy, retractable tail wheel, new gunsight, extra armor and the different armament could be upgrades?

 

I sure hope so. I'd like to see the Yak-1B and Yak-7B seeing as they were both in this battle. True that the Yak-1 we have is already a very late series Yak-1 with similar performance levels. So we're not really in this for performance advantage... just looks or interest and a slight edge in firepower. I'm assuming that any chance of a Yak-9 would wait for Kuban, Kursk, or some other battle if we ever go there. Have to save something for later  

 

As previously mentioned, I don't see all of the upgrades on the Yak 1 we have. I believe that some of them will help this aircraft in terms of speed. Also, I'd love to be able to check my six efficiently! To me, the Yak 1b would be better than a Yak 7, they look too heavy.

 

Edit: Learned how to quote.

Edited February 10, 2015 by II./JG77_Axe-

[Finkeren]

I fail to see this in the game. The engine seems to be the un-upgraded one, there's no retractable tail wheel, etc. To me they seem very different. However, if it is as you say, then a low back with bubble canopy, retractable tail wheel, new gunsight, extra armor and the different armament could be upgrades?

 

 

As previously mentioned, I don't see all of the upgrades on the Yak 1 we have. I believe that some of them will help this aircraft in terms of speed. Also, I'd love to be able to check my six efficiently! To me, the Yak 1b would be better than a Yak 7, they look too heavy.

Performance wise the Yak-1 we have in BoS is the same as the, so called, Yak-1B. In all other aspects than armament and canopy they're virtually identical. On the other hand, it's quite different from what the Yak-7B would be like (especially if it had the old engine) And I'd like to know what you mean, when you say, that it doesn't 'feel' like a Yak-1B. The mere fact that it can fight a tight dogfight on almost even terms with the Bf 109F4 should be enough to tell you, that it's definately not meant to be ab early series Yak-1.

 

As for the semi-bubble canopy: Try going up in the Yak in BoS and look behind you. How much of the field of view backwards is actually obscured by the fuselage, and how much is just the armoured headrest? In the Yak-1B the headrest would still be there (The armoured glass headrest seen in the old IL-2 is a much later addition)

So while the view backwards might be slightly improved on the Yak-1B/Yak-9, it would not really be much of a game changer.

 

The most important feature if the Yak-1B would be the upgraded armament and the posibility to carry slightly more cannon ammunition. Otherwise there would be little difference.

[Brano]

M105PF engine was in production since 1st May 1942.All Yak-1 were produced with PF engine since 4th June 1942.Yak-7b were around Stalingrad from august 42.

Yak-1b as you think of it = with lowered rear fuselage,retractable tailwheel and changed armament (1xShvak+1xUBS) was produced from 111th series (jan 1943).All of this modifications were continuously introduced from 89th series.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Yak 7B, for the win.

 

It was part of this theater, and it is the precursor to the Yak 9.

 

It's time for the "heavy" Yak.

[heinkill]

All this snow and Russian planes. Seriously. You'd think it was a Russian developer!

 

Sand is better than snow, and just as easy on the FPS.

 

Mediterranean theatre machines pls  - you can just reskin most of the existing Axis aircraft and objects and import the Allied models from Cliffs of Dover like was done with the He111.

 

Trop Hurricane IIB, IIC, trop Spitfire V/IX, Blenheim, flyable Beaufighter, Wellington, plus all the CoD Italian machines

 

Once it is up and running, add premium planes like B-25, P40, Dewoitine D520 for the Vichy French

 

Campaign Chapters: Operation Compass, Tobruk, Crusader, El Alamein, finish with Torch

 

Much easier to remodel CoD kites than creating everything from zero (you can focus on the map and objects instead) and you win the US/UK/AU/CA/IT/FR crowd.

 

At the speed DCS WWII and TF v5.0 are going, it could still be released before there was any new competition!

 

H

[Feathered_IV]

I'd be surprised if 777 have the rights to clod assets.

 

And you forgot the Storch.

[Yakdriver]

And the Carrier technology.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

While i would really welcome a med theatre on the long term like Heinkill said, i think for this theatre great additions would be the I16 - it would fit perfectly to the summer map - and the Yak7b like people already said, finally a plane the 109 couldn't outpace at ground level.

[Brano]

From roughly 1600 I-16s that were in frontline units on 22.6.1941 only 240 survived Barbarossa onslaught.There was no serial production in 1942 to replace losses.Several IAPs serving with ishaks were moved to secondary theatres (Karelia,Baltic and Black Sea Fleet,Caucasus).They were not present in first line front units in times of Stalingrad battle.Those few IAPs equipped with them kept using them untill the pool of available repaired airplanes has been exhausted.

Simply: I-16 is operation Barbarossa plane.

 

In October 1942 8th VA VVS consisted of 18 IAPs of which:

9 were equipped with Yak1

4 with La5

3 with Yak7

1 with P40 (might be 2,both PVO)

1 with LaGG3

[666GIAP_Miji]

Better give us a La-5, that we can fly, not the crap we have now.

 

BTW i agree, a Yak 1B whit bubble canopy it was far better.

[Finkeren]

Better give us a La-5, that we can fly, not the crap we have now.

Funny, because I hear luftwhiners go on endlessly about it being too awesome with the performance of a La-5F and the roll rate of a TIE-fighter.

 

Kinda makes me think, that it's just about right.

 

BTW i agree, a Yak 1B whit bubble canopy it was far better.

No, it wasn't, as has been pointed out several times already.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Better give us a La-5, that we can fly, not the crap we have now.

 

BTW i agree, a Yak 1B whit bubble canopy it was far better.

 

La5 has overperforming roll rate, but beside that quite accurate FM (apart the "cold air boost" every plane but the 190 has). I fly it all the time. Really hard, but very rewarding when you get a kill. La5Fn sealclubbing machine will come soon enough

 

 

From roughly 1600 I-16s that were in frontline units on 22.6.1941 only 240 survived Barbarossa onslaught.There was no serial production in 1942 to replace losses.Several IAPs serving with ishaks were moved to secondary theatres (Karelia,Baltic and Black Sea Fleet,Caucasus).They were not present in first line front units in times of Stalingrad battle.Those few IAPs equipped with them kept using them untill the pool of available repaired airplanes has been exhausted.

Simply: I-16 is operation Barbarossa plane.

 

In October 1942 8th VA VVS consisted of 18 IAPs of which:

9 were equipped with Yak1

4 with La5

3 with Yak7

1 with P40 (might be 2,both PVO)

1 with LaGG3

 

strange that i just read, that even in the winter campaign there were still plenty I16 over Stalingrad..so i guess even more in summer

[Trinkof]

The yak 9 was there by the way ! It was actually tested on Staligrad, in small number, but anyway more than the FW  ... and with great success   

And basically a yak 7 / yak 9 would be just great for the sake of MP "balance" ... Yak 1B would be great as well just for the pleasure of a good Normandie Niemen Skin !

Edited February 10, 2015 by LAL_Trinkof

[Brano]

strange that i just read, that even in the winter campaign there were still plenty I16 over Stalingrad..so i guess even more in summer

 Can you point out your source?Which VAs,IADs,IAPs?Which given date?

[LukeFF]

Better give us a La-5, that we can fly, not the crap we have now.

 

Soviet pilots said the same thing.

[pilotpierre]

See this thread and read Jasons comments

 

My wingman has a new plane...

Started by IIN8II, Today, 02:47

[Finkeren]

See this thread and read Jasons comments

 

My wingman has a new plane...

Started by IIN8II, Today, 02:47

Before anyone gets overly excited: That was one comment and in my world the worlds 'not outside the realm of posibility' doesn't constitute a guarantee. Girls have used that phrase in conversations with me in bars, and it still didn't happen occasionally (well... actually a bit more than just occasionally)

[Feathered_IV]

A definite is certainly better than a probable. Or though in finkeren's particular case, "seen to go down" might do just as well.

[Finkeren]

A definite is certainly better than a probable. Or though in finkeren's particular case, "seen to go down" might do just as well.

That has indeed been known to indicate an almost certain score in my experience

[SR-F_Winger]

OP: Not the YAK 1B, I think the LA5 FN should be added and have correct performance in relation to YAK-1 performance we have in game. Just to continue the overall trend of how things are modeled in BOS.

Edited February 11, 2015 by VSG1_Winger

[unreasonable]

@Celestiale

 

"Stalingrad: the air battle", Bergstrom, page 128, gives a table for 8VA Strength Report on 10 Nov 1942. No I16s are listed. There are three IAP shown as "data unavailable" for aircraft type and strength, so these could possibly fit your picture but I am not sure how you could be sure.

 

I would like an I16 just because it is funky.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

 Can you point out your source?Which VAs,IADs,IAPs?Which given date?

 

@Celestiale

 

"Stalingrad: the air battle", Bergstrom, page 128, gives a table for 8VA Strength Report on 10 Nov 1942. No I16s are listed. There are three IAP shown as "data unavailable" for aircraft type and strength, so these could possibly fit your picture but I am not sure how you could be sure.

 

I would like an I16 just because it is funky.

 

I have several books about aerial history, and right now i don't know in which one i read about it. Lot of work to do these days, but i will take a look as soon as i have time, and tell you then all the informations i can get about IAPs, plane numbers, possibly operations.

Keep in mind i have never said, the majority should be I16, not in summer nor in winter. Just that there have been a few, and a significant number in summer (significant i mean over ~100 and not 40%+)

[Brano]

Yes,there was this 102nd IAD PVO of Stalingrad with its 629.IAP equipped with ishaks and 651.IAP with I-153.This was roughly not more then 80 crafts (nr. varried depending on loses and inability to replace end of production life aircrafts).Collection was one that any todays museum would pay fortune for.These old machines were hastily sent to Stalingrad PVO from other PVOs districts - kind of scratching bottom of the barell for soviets.You could find production models spaning from 1936 to 1940 in there.There were also 2 kittyhawk regiments in that IAD.For short period in early summer even few MiG-3.

That was one hell of a Flying Circus

[heinkill]

While i would really welcome a med theatre on the long term like Heinkill said, i think for this theatre great additions would be the I16 - it would fit perfectly to the summer map - and the Yak7b like people already said, finally a plane the 109 couldn't outpace at ground level.

No more Russian planes! The mysterious 'next project' mentioned by Jason...let it be this I say!

 

 

With premium Storch!

Edited February 11, 2015 by heinkill

[LukeFF]

OP: Not the YAK 1B, I think the LA5 FN should be added and have correct performance in relation to YAK-1 performance we have in game. Just to continue the overall trend of how things are modeled in BOS.

 

The FN didn't show up until Kursk - and of course there was the 5F version that was in service long before the FN.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I fail to see this in the game. The engine seems to be the un-upgraded one, there's no retractable tail wheel, etc. To me they seem very different. However, if it is as you say, then a low back with bubble canopy, retractable tail wheel, new gunsight, extra armor and the different armament could be upgrades?

 

 

As previously mentioned, I don't see all of the upgrades on the Yak 1 we have. I believe that some of them will help this aircraft in terms of speed. Also, I'd love to be able to check my six efficiently! To me, the Yak 1b would be better than a Yak 7, they look too heavy.

 

Edit: Learned how to quote.

 

The Yak-1B is definitely an upgrade in terms of the rearward visibility and extra armor. Also in terms of firepower with the single Berezin UBS being much more potent than two ShKAS. In terms of speed the Yak-1B at Stalingrad would be the same as the Yak-1 Series 69 that we have already both using the upgraded 105PF engine upgraded from the earlier models that used the 105P as others have mentioned too.

 

Seeing as we're getting the Summer and Autumn maps I suspect we'll be seeing the Yak-7 as well. In those stages of the battle the Yak-7 was pretty key and the 7B with the 105PF engine is only a bit heavier than a Yak-1 Series 69 and similarly performing AND it comes with two Berezin UBS machine guns so the weight of fire is much better in the 7B. From what I've read the handling isn't quite as crisp with the 7.

 

I'm kind of hoping that we'll see the 7B and 1B. I still think they will hold the Yak-9 for some later theatre (and give us the Yak-9T while they are at it :D).

Yes,there was this 102nd IAD PVO of Stalingrad with its 629.IAP equipped with ishaks and 651.IAP with I-153.This was roughly not more then 80 crafts (nr. varried depending on loses and inability to replace end of production life aircrafts).Collection was one that any todays museum would pay fortune for.These old machines were hastily sent to Stalingrad PVO from other PVOs districts - kind of scratching bottom of the barell for soviets.You could find production models spaning from 1936 to 1940 in there.There were also 2 kittyhawk regiments in that IAD.For short period in early summer even few MiG-3.

That was one hell of a Flying Circus

 

No kidding! Quite a few types there.

 

Do we know how long they were operating with these? Attrition was pretty high for a lot of fighter outfits in the leadup and during the battle. I would guess that they would have started with all of those and then run out and been reequipped with newer types. Still... an I-16 wouldn't be frowned upon as a type to get.

[Feathered_IV]

Hang on. Which year is the summer map going to represent?