The 109 is awful to fly on my joysticks

[ACG_pezman]

...This won't save you in the end of course but it might just add a couple of minutes to your flying time. The best advice for budding 190 pilots - fly a 109.

 

I rofl'd pretty hard there at the end. True though.

 

But back to the topic:

 

I know a lot of people here hate curves but I love them. Personally I use about 94% for pitch and about 80% for roll. It should be noted that these are for a TM Hotas and an FW190. The 109 is stable too but feels sluggish, but I think that is just its max roll rate period.

 

I like to set the curves so that I feel like the aircraft is responding in correlation with the amount of distance the joystick travelled. But imo, without curves and no FFB, the German aircraft would all be spinning into the ground. Hell I see plenty of them do that already with all these options. I'm not ashamed, I die more from stalls than from direct enemy fire, more so after the last patch.

[361fundahl]

You just have to learn how to feel the plane...

[4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile]

Learn to fly your mount...........they will tell you, the ones that fly the opposition not the 109, and they'll keep telling you . they know you know.

 

It's called bias btw, finkeren knows better of course.

[LukeFF]

Learn to fly your mount...........they will tell you, the ones that fly the opposition not the 109

 

Not hardly.

[KoN_]

All sorted now im using TARGET software for curves and works a treat ,thanks for all your replys , now to find players in multiplayer . mmmmmmmm ..!!!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

No curves here. Just a gentle touch and a 10 cm extension. 

Edited May 17, 2015 by HerrMurf

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Whoa, missed all the replies to 'Combat Flaps.'

 

I do use them very sparingly and watch my speed pretty closely while doing it. 1-3 seconds, while maintaining my E advantage, to tighten the turn for guns. 1 click out, 2,3, put em away again. Don't let your airspeed fall below 325 in the 190. And I don't follow an enemy for more than 180-270 degrees before breaking away and setting up again.

 

It's not gonna get you to out yo-yo a LaGG on the deck at 275 kph...............ever.

 

As to the 109 and joysticks - I'm still a BNZ guy even in the 109 and no curves. Though, I'm considerably less successful in it.

Edited May 17, 2015 by HerrMurf

[[TWB]Outlaw-]

The german planes definitely are a bit more sensitive to elevator/stab inputs, they're great on my warthog stick but whenever I switch back to my logitech extreme 3dpro it's pretty painful to fly. 

 

My complaints about the 109 and 190 are their tendencies to spin so abruptly during an accelerated stall. Maybe in real life it didnt happen because you couldn't physically reaf back on the stick like you can in game. I have a hard time believing that's realistic though, coming from flying in the AF, I've planted the stick to my seat pan many times before and never seen as violent an accelerated stall and subsequent spin like I have in the 109 and 190 in this game.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

190's tendancy to go into an accelerated stall and flip over into the opposite wing has been shown to be historically correct in other threads. Probably less so with the 109 but I don't get that effect in the game with the Messerschmitt anyway.

[Skoop]

All sorted now im using TARGET software for curves and works a treat ,thanks for all your replys , now to find players in multiplayer . mmmmmmmm ..!!!

You can set curves in the game interface, just curious why the target software was some much more effective for you.

[KoN_]

People are ranging from 10% curve to 98% curve in the 109s . I spent many hours up and down the scales trying to get this 109 to fly right , the nose would bounce all over the sky was impossible to make any roll or snap shot with out going in to a bouncy stall mess ,

i read that some used curves in target , so i tried and it works for me . Personaly i think there should be a overhaul of the input system . noise filtter what ever that does , it will effect joystick input . DCS - has a good system

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's very weird to me that many people have problems and others have none whatsoever. I can fly the 109 like its an extension of my hand these days... it was a bit rough several patches ago but right now it flies great. I'm absolutely not discounting that people are having problems but I wonder if there may be another problem here that isn't specifically your input device or the sensitivity and game input. Is there another angle to this? Just wondering out loud.

[Sokol1]

You can set curves in the game interface, just curious why the target software was some much more effective for you.

 

- the "S" curve - but in BoS only can adjust sensitivity and deadzone, these alter the in game joystick movement in linear way, no in "S" curve.

 

In DCS Ka-50 use the S curve is the difference in broken the rotor blades with hard cyclic movement or not.

 

HOTAS software like Target, CH Manager, Saitek HUD doe this external to the game.

[Yankee_One]

@ Con,

 

can you please tell me how i do these curves? I have opened target, what is the next step to put these curves?

 

I am a totally noob in Joystick curves.

 

Thank you very much!

S!

[KoN_]

@LcSummers  ...............https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33932

 

http://ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/pc/hotas/software/TARGET/TARGET_User_Manual_v1.6_ENG.pdf

 

look at page 12 , i use curves only and F6 for center trackir . as akeyboard stroke .

Edited June 2, 2015 by Con

[Yankee_One]

@ Con,

 

thank you very much for your help.

 

It took me a while to find this topic.

 

But i found, that its much easier to fly with the new patch.

 

Thanks and salute