Any news on the machi C202 and other add ons?

[Dakpilot]

But it is a documented fact that the 202's were at Stalingrad, they were not very suited to the extreme weather and had spares/reliability issues but they did take part in the battle, just in a very small way..

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[I/JG27_Rollo]

We will announce our plans that include the 202 soon.

*opens visor of huge dark helmet, sips coffee from Mr. Coffee*

How soon?

 

If it's not Malta, it's the Cyrenaica, isn't it?

[novicebutdeadly]

Maybe their next project is in the Pacific theater (not my fav but the world doesn't revolve around me... or at least not yet   )


As an aside, I hope that if they do experimental aircraft/ planes that never went into mass production, I hope that the make the He100 D-1

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Maybe their next project is in the Pacific theater (not my fav but the world doesn't revolve around me... or at least not yet   )

 

 

As an aside, I hope that if they do experimental aircraft/ planes that never went into mass production, I hope that the make the He100 D-1

 

I am 99,9% sure they won't do neither (in the next few years)

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Off topic, but oh well.

Maybe their next project is in the Pacific theater (not my fav but the world doesn't revolve around me... or at least not yet   )

They already denied Pacific or any kind of MTO theatre for the near future. Loft already expressed a strong desire to make Kuban so probably it's going to be another eastern front scenario.

As an aside, I hope that if they do experimental aircraft/ planes that never went into mass production, I hope that the make the He100 D-1

Prototypes and experimental aircraft have their appealment, however BoS is totally unsuited for this kind of aircraft. Reason is commonly bad documentation on the aircraft and the overall lack of refferences.

 

He 100 didn't even see service, it was a pure propaganda tool that failed to convince the high rank Luftwaffe leaders of being superior to the 109. The He 112 however was exported to some countries and served to a limited amount with the Romanian and Hungarian airforces durign the eastern front campaign (mainly in ground attack roles as they were obviously outdated by that time).

 

So the He 112 is way more likely finding it's place in BoS, though with dozens of iconic and widely used aircraft missing on each side it's not the right time for high hopes for destinctive aircrafts.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Sim]

But it is a documented fact that the 202's were at Stalingrad, they were not very suited to the extreme weather and had spares/reliability issues but they did take part in the battle, just in a very small way..

 

What documented facts? MC.200s did appear over the current IL2 BOS Stalingrad map for a very brief moment escorting Stukas from Oblivskaya at the end of July 1942 during the Battle of Kalach and then went back to Voroshilovgrad a couple of days later. At that time the 21º Gruppo Autonomo C.T. did not have any MC.202s. The first batch of 12 MC.202s arrived to Voroshilovgrad in September 1942, then 2 more recon version and at the end of the year 5 more MC.202s. AFAIK they operated solely from Voroshilovgrad/Kantemirovka/Millerovo and flew support missions for Italian 8th Army.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Sim

[novicebutdeadly]

Whilst a change in time period is great, my concern is that without changing theater some may loose interest (whether pacific or Mediterranean etc). 

[Dakpilot]

99% we will get a summer/autumn texture for Stalingrad map, With such a huge amount of work creating it, a change of season is not unreasonable, The aircraft was at Stalingrad area at the time and is an interesting aircraft that can also feature in added theatres in the future

 

@ Sim

 

"What documented facts?"

 

The ones you posted  I also understood 202's  escorted JU-52's to Stalingrad in early Dec 1942

 

Mentioned in this article, with bibliography

it seems fairly well researched with little intent to distort facts, but like all written word can always be disputed, I had no reason to doubt the likelihood

 

http://www.desertwar.net/macchi-c-202.html

 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited February 5, 2015 by Dakpilot

[=]VLA[=Ravonmith]

Totaly agree, since they have spend so much time to create this huge detailed map (which is remarkable  detailed esp with snow ) there would be no need for an other map soon. Changes for summer or other textures would need enough effort and spend some more "time", and expand the setting we got now. And don´t forget about the map the team arround ZEUS is developing. When its done it will be as big as stalingrad. 2 vast maps ... more then enough for the beginning.

 

A decent campaign (maybe dynamic? based on the good random generator we used to play with now +story and management to increase immersion). As well as some new planes to play with ( bf 110, macci, mig etc etc). Some gameplay features like oxygen consume, freezing windshild etc. There are enough little things that should be done first and could be easy done to make some money, which the company need without any doubt. This whole setting should be exploited best before moving on o another. Otherwise they waste their limited resources. Maybe in 2 years when we got 2-3 campaigns, 20 planes, 2/3 maps a new theathre might be logic  

 

(No question i would like to start from a carrier and see this phenomenal grahpics while flying above islands with total differnt plane from other nations. :D )

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Stalingrad summer would be an even worse theatre then winter in Terms of Balance..old Yak1, Mig1 and I16 against F2, F4...don't know how many people in multiplayer would fly russians then..

[Feathered_IV]

It's such a shame that historical interest is always held to ransom for the sake of online "parity".

[=]VLA[=Ravonmith]

It's such a shame that historical interest is always held to ransom for the sake of online "parity".

 

Yep. I would like to play any setting. But maybe also in singleplayer it might be frustrating if some like to play russian and can´t win at all because of their outdated planes. The developer would have to build 2/3 more planes that would have no counter part due to the fact: they are obsolete and only a few people would have fun with them.

 

That said... its not only for the mp audience to create somewhere balanced szenarios.  In MP the server settings can be changed to what ever people like to play. That would be no problem. " Russians with old planes +30% Tickets, easy tagets etc"   

[Dakpilot]

It only started to snow for the first time on November 16 at Stalingrad, plenty of time for a lot of interesting missions on Autumn/summer map

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Brano]

Stalingrad summer would be an even worse theatre then winter in Terms of Balance..old Yak1, Mig1 and I16 against F2, F4...don't know how many people in multiplayer would fly russians then..

MiG-1 for sure not.Maybe MiG-3,but in august 1942 there were only few of them remaining in PVO.I16 and I153 are more for VA CMF/BF and Caucasus/Karelia.

Old Yak? Version with m105PF engine was in production since june 1942.Of course not all were brand new,can have mix of PA versions.Germans also used older Emils as JaBo.Our 13./JG52 Slowakisches staffel used emils till january 1943. 

[II./JG77_Manu*]

MiG-1 for sure not.Maybe MiG-3,but in august 1942 there were only few of them remaining in PVO.I16 and I153 are more for VA CMF/BF and Caucasus/Karelia.

Old Yak? Version with m105PF engine was in production since june 1942.Of course not all were brand new,can have mix of PA versions.Germans also used older Emils as JaBo.Our 13./JG52 Slowakisches staffel used emils till january 1943. 

of course Mig 3, mixed it up. I16 and Chaika were plenty during Stalingrad, and the Pf Yak never made it to the front in summer, it first came to the front in later autumn. Majority of the russian planes during spring/summer on the front were Lagg and I16..if you chould choose like it is now, in multiplayer everyone would pretty much fly the old Yak1. 480kph ground speed is a lot worse then the PF one, it would get even more onesided like it is right now.

I really hope the Devs take a later scenario like Kuban or Crimea, with La5Fn and Yak9, for the sake of multiplayer. Those unbalanced sidescenarios like early eastern front, france and stuff can still follow later, once there are a few main battles (with main planes) out.

[VRPilot]

we need a north africa campaign. Spitfire Mark V and P-40 vs the same german planes we have now. This needs to be a thing!

[Veteran66]

I hope the Stalingrad map get a summer and autumn texture, it is a very interesting time for Air War`s.

[LLv24_Zami]

I hope the Stalingrad map get a summer and autumn texture, it is a very interesting time for Air War`s.

 

Agreed. That would be possible with current planes and few additional ones. Would be interesting

[jeanba]

I hope the Stalingrad map get a summer and autumn texture, it is a very interesting time for Air War`s.

I agree

It would be a nice continuity

[sallee]

Not Malta...Battle over Gozo?

[voncrapenhauser]

C'mon, P-39 all the way, at the minimum a P-40..... Booya

Given the choice of two a P39

I also think that the planes and theaters are not going to be 100% related.

 

I would love to see some green and some ocean, either in a summer map or at least in a greener area of north Africa.

 

It would be kinda lame to do full desert maps after doing all white, now all brown....

We would end up with Biege, hmmmm?...No thanks.

 

But seriously a desert campaign or something else new would be different as we had Pacific in IL-2 1946.

Edited February 5, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[pencon]

I also think that the planes and theaters are not going to be 100% related.

 

I would love to see some green and some ocean, either in a summer map or at least in a greener area of north Africa.

 

It would be kinda lame to do full desert maps after doing all white, now all brown....

My sentiments exactly. Having an all desert map would be like having the same maps over again , except the snow would be beige (sand )

[Feathered_IV]

Heat shimmer would be an interesting landscape effect.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Stalingrad summer would be an even worse theatre then winter in Terms of Balance..old Yak1, Mig1 and I16 against F2, F4...don't know how many people in multiplayer would fly russians then..

 

I don't think the balance would actually be that bad. The I-16 doesn't match up in raw numbers but it was well liked by pilots and I'm assuming the twin 20mm ShVAK model would be an unlock so it would pack a punch and turn extremely well. That's always worked well in IL-2 1946 scenarios. An 105P Yak-1 or Yak-7 would have a rough time but not too rough. Plus the Yak-7 with the 105PF engine would be in there too (and these two Yak-7 models would be amongst the primary types at the battle).

 

We also don't talk bombers and attack planes enough around these parts either. A Ju88, IL-4, Bf110, Su-2, Hs123 and others would all be very interesting additions. I'm hoping for a Hs129 before too long either... it took far too many years to get the closest German counterpart to the IL-2 into the game (even if its presence was slight). Kuban or Stalingrad summer/autumn. Anything would be interesting to me.

Edited February 6, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive

[Solmyr]

 

 

The I-16 doesn't match up in raw numbers but it was well liked by pilots and I'm assuming the twin 20mm ShVAK model would be an unlock so it would pack a punch and turn extremely well. That's always worked well in IL-2 1946 scenarios.

 

 

But it seems that previous I-16 from IL-2 '46 wasn't accurate. At least, for example, I personally remember the I-16 way more manoeuvrable overall than the MiG-3, and the expert pilot who's gonna help the dev team to build those beasts says the exact opposite... 2x20 ShVAK will still be very cool  indeed.

[ShamrockOneFive]

 

 

But it seems that previous I-16 from IL-2 '46 wasn't accurate. At least, for example, I personally remember the I-16 way more manoeuvrable overall than the MiG-3, and the expert pilot who's gonna help the dev team to build those beasts says the exact opposite... 2x20 ShVAK will still be very cool  indeed.

 

This is the difference between comparing turn rates and comparing overall maneuverability. I'd be VERY surprised if the MiG-3 has a better sustained turn rate than the I-16. This is like how when comparing Bf109 and FW190 and pilots say the FW190 is more maneuverable - they aren't talking about just turn rate. It may be overmodelled a bit in IL-2 1946 but I would guess that it would be a sweet turner in BoS as well.

 

Where did he say that BTW? Was that in one of the early videos?

[Feathered_IV]

I recall the video saying the I-16 was only manoeuverable at higher speeds and its low-speed performance was deadly.

[Solmyr]

This is the difference between comparing turn rates and comparing overall maneuverability. I'd be VERY surprised if the MiG-3 has a better sustained turn rate than the I-16. This is like how when comparing Bf109 and FW190 and pilots say the FW190 is more maneuverable - they aren't talking about just turn rate. It may be overmodelled a bit in IL-2 1946 but I would guess that it would be a sweet turner in BoS as well.

 

Where did he say that BTW? Was that in one of the early videos?

 

Wow ! I hadn't spot it was a so early vid..

 

Obviously there are many criterias counting for manoeuvrability. That's why I talk about "overall maneuvrability" (understand how much you can take advantage of by demanding manoeuvers). The man says (sorry can't read his name in cyrillic) : "I-16 has simply nothing to oppose to MiG".

You'd forget what you learnt from Il-2 1st generation FM...

 

Here is the video : 

Edited February 6, 2015 by Solmyr

[Jaws2002]

I think he was announced that he would not.

 

 

Where? Got a link please?

[LizLemon]

Where? Got a link please?

I believe they said that they wouldn't use the i-16 and il-4 made by psy06.

 

I would guess that they didn't get the rights to those models.

[Guest deleted@30725]

Stoked.  

Edited February 6, 2015 by deleted@30725

[Jaws2002]

But it is a documented fact that the 202's were at Stalingrad, they were not very suited to the extreme weather and had spares/reliability issues but they did take part in the battle, just in a very small way..

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

One sortie in the Stalingrad area, for the whole time people were fighting there. Just another plane with no purpose, no historical place.

[PA-Sniv]

Just another plane with no purpose, no historical place.

 

Yes, devs shouldn't have listened to players...

Edited February 6, 2015 by PA-Sniv

[Jaws2002]

Yes, devs shouldn't have listened to players...

 

 

Actually they didn't:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/409-kakoj-istrebitel-iz-stran-osi-interesen/page-?mode=show

 

1386 sorties at Stalingrad for the IAR-80/81 ONE sortie in the Stalingrad area for the Machi.....And the Machi also lost in the polls.....

And we get the machi......

 

Maybe we'll get the Zero for Battle of Britain addon.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Jaws2002

[Feathered_IV]

Jaws, seriously. Have some dignity man.

[silent_one]

Jaws. Its a game . Its not like were playing historically accurate sorties. Eg Dambusters or something. All our sorties are made up never happened in real life sorties. The maps might have names but in the game world they could be anywhere on the Russian front. The game is for entertainment. So have fun an stop getting wound up over minutiae.

 

So it sounds like we get new Stalingrad spring/ summer maps. Im sure well be getting the Macchi and a lend lease at the same time. Then mission editor and some good community missions. Cant wait. With the unlocks gone now the community will be struggling to find something to bitch about. No sorry. Forgot which group I was talking about .lol. Im sure there'll be plenty

[PA-Sniv]

 

 

Actually they didn't:

 

Lol! Too bad, quite even! I just hope to see the IAR one day, as she was my personal choice...

 

Cheers,

[Knopfler]

I can't wait to sit in my beautiful 202 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Wow ! I hadn't spot it was a so early vid..

 

Obviously there are many criterias counting for manoeuvrability. That's why I talk about "overall maneuvrability" (understand how much you can take advantage of by demanding manoeuvers). The man says (sorry can't read his name in cyrillic) : "I-16 has simply nothing to oppose to MiG".

You'd forget what you learnt from Il-2 1st generation FM...

 

Here is the video : 

 

I love watching warbirds fly around so I will be sure to watch this one again

 

I take his "I-16 has nothing to oppose to MiG" statement to mean that the MiG-3 has all of the performance advantages it needs to be able to boom and zoom an I-16 all day long. Nothing the I-16 can do but wait till he slows down. We know this from IL-2 1946 too... so I'm not expecting many changes there. But someone will get sucked into a turn fight and suddenly that Bf109 will have a I-16 right on his tail with a pair of 20mms

 

EDIT: He does seem to say that he feels the I-16 would be out maneuvered at any altitude and that the lower stall speed, light controls, and leading edge slats are a huge advantage. I'm still guessing raw turning potential is in the I-16s court but the MiG-3 is easier to get its maximum capabilities out of. It'll be interesting to see... I imagine we'll see both types show up before too long!

Edited February 7, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive

[TJT]

Jaws. Its a game . Its not like were playing historically accurate sorties. Eg Dambusters or something. All our sorties are made up never happened in real life sorties. The maps might have names but in the game world they could be anywhere on the Russian front. The game is for entertainment. So have fun an stop getting wound up over minutiae.

 

So it sounds like we get new Stalingrad spring/ summer maps. Im sure well be getting the Macchi and a lend lease at the same time. Then mission editor and some good community missions. Cant wait. With the unlocks gone now the community will be struggling to find something to bitch about. No sorry. Forgot which group I was talking about .lol. Im sure there'll be plenty

 

Reasoning like that and they might just as well have thrown together a generic map with the most popular match ups of Eastern front aircrafts and called it something like:  "IL-2: Dogfight over the Steppes"....