So.V_Vannolino Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Guys i would like to say some thing . there is no need to slate some one if they have a question , over flight modeling . You the BOS community are loosing people every day . Be carful you just never know who you are slating he might come back and bite you in the ass. Show some repect . Edit ....... i am finding less and less people to fly with , in this sim / game as it is . *100
Potenz Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Hi all! I follow the flight simulator games from long time,Falcon 4-Lock On-DCS-IL2, and of course i was curious to test even this one for my enjoy time but....it's hard to belive that a game like this one could be called...simulator! I dont wont to be polemic, but honestly, BoS can be see maybe as a evolution about War of Thunder game (that mind Arcade 100%),but so far about what was IL2 1946, and still less to Cliff of Dover whit Team Fusion mod. Infact i have the distinct feeling that the Flying Model about of these airplanes is just a copy and paste of what we can see in RoF,whit a rewrite about the top speed...that's all! We know that german plane as BF-109 and FW-190 get different tactics engage abour a Yak or Mig,but that dosent mind that they have to be so invalid to maneuver!...it's a pity. Where it's gone the lift forces that imprints the air in a plane whit that power engine and wing size? Why that instability flight as if they were leaves in the wind in every situation and speed?..Leaf or Kite effect? Maybe the answer it's still a game in WIP....but i dont belived that you wont follow the simulator way..but the mainstream game! Regards IB4L this smell to ATAG [Edited] Edited February 4, 2015 by Bearcat language
CCG_Pips Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 When I read this post I can't help to recognize clairvoyant abilities. Please tell us all: when will the ME be made public?, which is the next scenario?,..... I am sure that many here are interested to know what is happening in the shadows. Next scenario and What is happening in the near future is not the goal of this post author. we answer to inaccurate, false and suspicious attacks. If we found one post a month, we should be more cool but a lot of us are tired to read every two days this kind of mildewed messages.. ...that's the end of my intervention here 1
Feathered_IV Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Yeah, you are being trolled. The guy doesn't even have the game to check the flight models against his half arsed critque. Love the broken english though.
ITAF_Cymao Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Guys i would like to say some thing . there is no need to slate some one if they have a question , over flight modeling . You the BOS community are loosing people every day . Be carful you just never know who you are slating he might come back and bite you in the ass. Show some repect . Edit ....... i am finding less and less people to fly with , in this sim / game as it is . + 1000 wise words. How many people are playing online at ROF? how many people are playing online in CoD? how many people are playing online at BoS? My mind is realy few people who play these games. How many people did play online in the old IL2 1946? Numbers are truth (maybe)! If low people are playing online the fault is not about FM, maybe there are others reasons. Respect every opinions also if you don’t like it Salute
taleks Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 my personal thoughts on the matter: short version: There is proper procedure to claim issues with FM. You've got definitive proof - contact Han or any other senior manager (or moderator, if you don't know who is who in 1CGS). It's that simple. longer version: There is nothing wrong in FM related chit-chat on forum, but talks without proofs are not enough to take claims seriously. Current FM for planes already included in the game, as far as I know, is considered final or stable, because no serious issues with FM were proven (some issues were proven by players and changes were made - so it is not like "devs got it correct, players are wrong by default"). Any serious and well-based claim is reviewed to ensure adequate quality of simulation. Anyone can make errors in calculations or research work in tons of papers after all, but it is applicable not to devs only, to players as well. Prove your claim and there will be queue of players and devs thanking you. There is difference in stance between ROF and BOS, though. BOS is more harsh to FM related claims, because there are more technical documents from WWII time survived in archives, thus it is just silly to rely on "I really think", "I honestly feel" and "I've read memoir from cover to cover" (although last one may have some useful hints, but are subjective by its nature and should be read with a grain of salt). So, if anyone wants to improve the game - take some time, perform thorough research of issue, check other discussions on forum, gather proofs, details, documents (there are a lot of links/files on forum already), game tracks, discuss with community, defend your point of view, and then - present it to devs. Looks like common peer-reviewed process and it works better than other ways. 13
SharpeXB Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 The BoS SimHQ forum looks like a psychiatric (or geriatric?) hospital. This 1
SharpeXB Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Provoking the moderators, sending to them insults by PM, and then whining to be banned here on other forums, talking about free speech, about official forum "heavily censored", and so on... Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! Edited February 4, 2015 by SharpeXB
Crump Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Looks like common peer-reviewed process and it works better than other ways. Not really the best thing when it comes to aerodynamics discussions. In fact, the same type of peer review process is why it took so long for us to realize the earth is not flat nor is it the center of the solar system. Edited February 4, 2015 by Crump
sallee Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 So anyone with a different view to yours and who chooses to express it must be mentally deficient or geriatric. Classy. My view is that it's different from, not different to, you old fool. 3
sallee Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Different than? You are older and madder than I thought! Edited February 4, 2015 by sallee
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Honestly, I'm going with, "than yours."
mort Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 So anyone with a different view to yours and who chooses to express it must be mentally deficient or geriatric. Classy. It's not the difference of opinion it's the level of vitriol and the conspiracy theory + derision echo chamber qualities. 2
sallee Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Oh no...this has got serious.... One thing differs from another. It is therefore different from it - as in differing from it..the "ent" is a participle ending equivalent to "ing". "Than" is used with comparatives. Edit..your link is .com....I'm English! Edited February 4, 2015 by sallee 1
SharpeXB Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) So anyone with a different view to yours and who chooses to express it must be mentally deficient or geriatric. Classy. SimHQ is the place people go to post crap that would get them banned from any reasonable discussion forum. It's a "troll hole" where certain people can get their fill of fighting and casting insults. And then kick and scream about the fact that they aren't alowed to do it here. Edited February 4, 2015 by SharpeXB 1
Zak Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Okay, as it has been predicted a few hours ago, I'm locking the thread because it's turning into a mess. Also the answer to the topic starter has been given as well, and thanks to Taleks for taking time to explain our attitude to the work we've done making FMs for BOS: You doubt the FM - you present adequate evidence that we're wrong. Closed. 1
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