Descolada Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Why is the sky so dark in this game? If you go outside or even in rof the sky is a much brighter blue than it is in this game. It makes it almost impossible to see planes against the sky.
EAF19_Marsh Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Lack of business plan. (OK, now I'll stop). 1
II./JG77_Manu* Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Why is the sky so dark in this game? If you go outside or even in rof the sky is a much brighter blue than it is in this game. It makes it almost impossible to see planes against the sky. I don't know where you live, but i am living at the exact same geographical latitude like Stalingrad, and i can tell you in winter here it is very dark. Only a few hours (~10 - ~3) it is really bright, around 1-2 hours before and after it's dawn-like, where you definitely need lights in the house to see stuff. This scenario is late November/December so i think it's pretty realistic.
Y-29.Silky Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Also if you're online it's beause every server takes place in the evening or early morning for some reason. And as you can barely see an aircraft above you against that dark blue sky, I wish the sun had the same effect. If an aircraft is flying into the sun, you can just zoom in all the way and see him perfectly. Edited February 2, 2015 by Silky
303_Kwiatek Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Still planes should not dissaperd in close distances 1-2 km on the sky background like it is in BOS now.
Finkeren Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Still planes should not dissaperd in close distances 1-2 km on the sky background like it is in BOS now. They don't 'disappear'. They're just harder to spot against the deep blue background than against the light horizon or the white snow/clouds. BoS' winter landscape offers the best posible conditions for spotting aircraft against the ground. Just wait till we get a sunmer/autumn map and watch people complain about aircraft 'disappearing' against the ground. While it is true, that aircraft spotting will always be easier out in the real world rather than on a 19" monitor, spotting aircraft against a clear blue sky is not exactly easy either. We can generally spot most airliners from a fair distance because they're painted bright while and reflect a lot of sunlight, and also they are many many times bigger than a WW2 era fighter. Brightly colored sports aircraft might also be easy to spot, but try following a matt painted medium grey modern military aircraft across the sky at several kilometers distance.
ShamrockOneFive Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Mmm I think if you live at more southern latitudes (relative to the equator) you may not experience what a cold and crisp winter day looks like. We had one of those days today with a major storm passing through and a clear blue sky replacing it. Temperatures were -14c and the sky was a deep blue that you just don't see when its warmer and more humid.
HappyHaddock Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I can't comment on BOS as I don't fly it, (I only monitor the forums to see what the team may one day end up porting back to Rise of Flight) but I can say that one of the reasons I created my sky mod for ROF was to avoid some of the really deep dark clear blue skies I associate with bitterly cold northern latitudes, for the part of France/England seen in ROF I wanted skies of a weaker pale grey blue, with a lot more cloud cover. Dark very blue skies to my way of thinking seem quite appropriate for a Russian winter. HH
303_Kwiatek Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) They don't 'disappear'. They're just harder to spot against the deep blue background than against the light horizon or the white snow/clouds. BoS' winter landscape offers the best posible conditions for spotting aircraft against the ground. Just wait till we get a sunmer/autumn map and watch people complain about aircraft 'disappearing' against the ground. While it is true, that aircraft spotting will always be easier out in the real world rather than on a 19" monitor, spotting aircraft against a clear blue sky is not exactly easy either. We can generally spot most airliners from a fair distance because they're painted bright while and reflect a lot of sunlight, and also they are many many times bigger than a WW2 era fighter. Brightly colored sports aircraft might also be easy to spot, but try following a matt painted medium grey modern military aircraft across the sky at several kilometers distance. For me it looks like plane dissapeard in sky at close distance in BOS. It shouldn't be the case becasue planes are not RC models and they should be easly visible at short distances up to 1-1.5 km. At long distance it would be other way. Edited February 3, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek
Finkeren Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 For me it looks like plane dissapeard in sky at close distance in BOS. It shouldn't be the case becasue planes are not RC models and they should be easly visible at short distances up to 1-1.5 km. At long distance it would be other way. Try turning on icons so you can keep track of the plane across the sky, and you'll see, that it's definately visible. It's just that it doesn't stand out very clearly against the sky and can easily get lost in the wide blue expanse. Still, I agree that planes should be easier to spot if it was to be exactly like real life, but those are simply the limits of viewing this on a small monitor with no binocular vision and everything scaled down to fit inside a rectangle some 19 inches across.
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 In ROF is easy to spot planes against sky, but not so easy against earth especially against the mud or forest. In BOS is opstite.
Wulf Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Still planes should not dissaperd in close distances 1-2 km on the sky background like it is in BOS now. Yup, I find it almost impossible to see planes above me when online; even when they are just a little bit above me. They blend into the sky to the point of invisibility.
voncrapenhauser Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Planes can be seen easily IRL flying? Hmmm I'm not so sure, there's a lot of factors to be taken in when keeping a good lookout. Sure I agree that IRL flying it is easier to see aircraft than it is in BOS, but to say "It is easy to see these aircraft IRL" is not the case in my RL flying experience.
=]VLA[=Ravonmith Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 In il2 BoS spotting planes is easyer then in any other sim. Its not that easy as in real life dude to the fact that your mk1 eyeball got autofocus and your ingame cam not but spotting planes against the sky is realy easy. Maybe you could need some practise or just got the wrong gamma settings. Might be you also had bad luck and joined a server with morning or evening settings.
voncrapenhauser Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) VLA[=Ravonmith' timestamp=1422967055' post='227539] spotting planes against the sky is realy easy Hmmm? In all circumstances? Don't think so. Agreed on your point that In BOS is easiest sim for spotting. Edited February 3, 2015 by voncrapenhauser 1
=]VLA[=Ravonmith Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Hmmm? In all circumstances? Don't think so. Agreed on your point that In BOS is easiest sim for spotting. You are completly right. Not in all circumstances. Against the sun= realy hard. Just forgot to give a reference. Spotting against the sky is realy easy, in comparison to other games and is a lot easyer then spotting targets aginst the ground, when they fly above forest. Edited February 3, 2015 by =]VLA[=Ravonmith
voncrapenhauser Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) You are completly right. Not in all circumstances. Against the sun= realy hard. Just forgot to give a reference. Spotting against the sky is realy easy, in comparison to other games and is a lot easyer then spotting targets aginst the ground, when they fly above forest. Agreed. The human eye is better at picking up movement above all. Definitely against forest and if the aircraft is tracking with you as is my experience with ridge running. My eyes were out on stalks when flying in close proximity. Edited February 3, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
Zak Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Why is the sky so dark in this game? If you go outside or even in rof the sky is a much brighter blue than it is in this game. It makes it almost impossible to see planes against the sky. Descolada, let's set up an experiment so we all could judge correctly: 1) launch ROF (some winter map) and BOS (winter obviously) 2) start a night mission with a clear sky 3) start at 1000 meters 4) take screenshots of a plane on level flight in both games Post them here, we all will compare which one is darker. 3
303_Kwiatek Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Zack there is no problem with planes above in ROF at close distances 1-2 km - they are clearly visible. In BOS planes strangly planes dissaperd when are close ( about up to 1-1.5 km ) above you on the sky background. All my mates playing BOS confirm the same . Spoting planes in BOS at the ground is ok for me but on the sky is different. IRL i have no problem to see other planes which are above on the sky background. But IRL planes are far bigger then in BOS in out monitors. 1
Zak Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Zack there is no problem with planes above in ROF at close distances 1-2 km - they are clearly visible. In BOS planes strangly planes dissaperd when are close ( about up to 1-1.5 km ) above you on the sky background. All my mates playing BOS confirm the same . Spoting planes in BOS at the ground is ok for me but on the sky is different. Thanks for your opinion, Kwiatek. Still I'd like to see the screenshots so we could have an illustration of the topic discussed here. I haven't yet suggested comparing BOS sky to the real one, just BOS vs ROF for now 1
II./JG77_Manu* Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Zack there is no problem with planes above in ROF at close distances 1-2 km - they are clearly visible. In BOS planes strangly planes dissaperd when are close ( about up to 1-1.5 km ) above you on the sky background. All my mates playing BOS confirm the same . Spoting planes in BOS at the ground is ok for me but on the sky is different. IRL i have no problem to see other planes which are above on the sky background. But IRL planes are far bigger then in BOS in out monitors. In first world war the planes didn't have such a good camouflage like in WW2. I have never seen planes disappearing mate, sometimes i see planes way above me, 6 or 7km away, because of their condensation trail. If i fully zoom in then, i can also see the planes. IRL you see big glossy metal planes, or brightly coloured hobby planes. You really can't compare that with beamless, blue camouflaged WW2 planes, which had exactly those colors that they are hard to spot from below them. Reading biographies here is definitely more useful then looking at modern planes IRL. And a lot of WW2 pilots will tell you. that it's extremely hard to spot planes above you. Most of the killed WW2 planes have been ambushed after all, and didn't even see their enemies. Why do you think it was possible, that sometimes 2 or 3 (or 1 in case of H-J Marseille) planes could kill and scare off an entire wing of 12 or more enemy planes? They dove down on them, zoomed up again, and "disappeared" for the eyes of the enemy. Think that's perfectly modeled in BoS. Seriously, i think spotting in BoS is perfect. I think you can't make it any better on a PC screen (let's see how this works in ~10 years, when VR devices get a proper resolution) Edited February 3, 2015 by Celestiale 1
=]VLA[=Ravonmith Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I think so too! I realy love how it is done in IL 2!
mb339pan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) in WWI plane run 150km/h, in WWII plane run over 300km/h, the target is more fast, easy... RoF whit winter map spotting is terrible from up to low altitude because map is not full white as in BoS, stop complaining for any nonsense Edited February 3, 2015 by mb339pan
303_Kwiatek Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Ok where is 109? He was not more then 1.5 km from me. Im looking into his direction. And he is there for sure. Edited February 3, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 -snip- RoF whit winter map spotting is terrible from up to low altitude because map is not full white as in BoS, stop complaining for any nonsense I don't see anybody "complaining" in this thread... What does speed have to do with spotting..? Or was it that you weren't sure what point you were trying to make..?
303_Kwiatek Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) ROF for comparison: In ROF there is no problem to see planes on the sky background up to at least 2 km. Edited February 3, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek
mb339pan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I don't see anybody "complaining" in this thread... What does speed have to do with spotting..? Or was it that you weren't sure what point you were trying to make..? if an object moves faster will be more difficult to identify since it is less static
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 if an object moves faster will be more difficult to identify since it is less static Sure... If it was a Camel vs. Bf109... If our relative speed is comparable (and it would be in a Yak vs. 109) I don't see how your assessment would make sense.
DD_Arthur Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Descolada, let's set up an experiment so we all could judge correctly: 1) launch ROF (some winter map) and BOS (winter obviously) 2) start a night mission with a clear sky 3) start at 1000 meters 4) take screenshots of a plane on level flight in both games Post them here, we all will compare which one is darker.
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 ok where is the enemy? Cool pics. What does that have to do with speed?
303_Kwiatek Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I spotted the 109 no trouble in the 1st two shots but not in the 3rd. In any case it's far easier to spot a plane in motion. Anyway, this is a different issue than the one the OP is describing since he's talking about how dark it is at night and those shots weren't at night. Issue is that planes should be quite easly seen in short distance up to 2 km on the sky background expecially when you KNOW WHERE TO LOOK AT. In ROF there are clearly visible like in the screens. So in ROF is ok, Unforunately in BOS happend very often that planes just were hardly visible or near dissaperd in sky background at distance up to 2 km which is clearly wrong. Even if you know where they should be. All my mates got the same problem in BOS but dont have these problem in ROF. Planes are not RC models or "housefly" and should be visible good at short distances. Dont care night casue in night is dark and you could only mostly seen fire exaust or lights not a contacts or planes. Edited February 3, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek 1
mb339pan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Cool pics. What does that have to do with speed? l 'I have written. a static target it is easier to see (and hit) that a mobile target, the higher the speed the greater the difficulty since at that time the view is focused on a point losing its ability peripheral. if an object is fast, sufficiently fast you will already be moved from that point that was observed if you can not understand this, I do not know how to explain it, I'm sorry Edited February 3, 2015 by mb339pan
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 -snip- if you can not understand this, I do not know how to explain it, I'm sorry You aren't accounting for the relativity of what you're saying... I'm not misunderstanding or lacking an understanding of anything. Seems to be quite the opposite, actually...
303_Kwiatek Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 You dont get the point or just sleep with your game under your pillow. Images just show everything. No sense to comment it.
ShamrockOneFive Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 ROF for comparison: In ROF there is no problem to see planes on the sky background up to at least 2 km. The blue is slightly different but not really dark. This was taken as suggested at 1000 meters at noon. Not late afternoon.
BlitzPig_EL Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I still don't see the 109 in the first two shots that Kwiatek posted. That is really frightening.
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