Most badass WW2 pilot?

[II./JG27_Rich]

He was a charater wasn't he

 

 

 

[K_Freddie]

There's one person you all seem to forget...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pattle

Edited November 14, 2013 by K_Freddie

[II./JG27_Rich]

There's one person you all seem to forget...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pattle

Agree I never heard of him until about a year ago witch is odd for me. I understand all records were lost of his wins but now he is recognised as the highest scoring Western Allied Ace 

[III/JG11_Tiger]

If you want bad arse go no further than Adolph "Sailor" Malan

[II./JG27_Rich]

Below is George Beurling. If this isn't a cold hearted Bad Ass  I don't know what is.

 

 

"I came right up underneath his tail. I was going faster than he was; about fifty yards behind. I was tending to overshoot. I weaved off to the right, and he looked out to his left. I weaved to the left and he looked out to his right. So, he still didn't know I was there. About this time I closed up to about thirty yards, and I was on his portside coming in at about a fifteen-degree angle. Well, twenty-five to thirty yards in the air looks as if you're right on top of him because there is no background, no perspective there and it looks pretty close. I could see all the details in his face because he turned and looked at me just as I had a bead on him. One of my can shells caught him in the face and blew his head right off. The body slumped and the slipstream caught the neck, the stub of the neck, and the blood streamed down the side of the cockpit. It was a great sight anyway. The red blood down the white fusilage. I must say it gives you a feeling of satisfaction when you actually blow their brains out."

Edited November 15, 2013 by II./JG27_Rich

[III/JG11_Tiger]

Below is George Beurling. If this isn't a cold hearted Bad Ass  I don't know what is.

 

 

"I came right up underneath his tail. I was going faster than he was; about fifty yards behind. I was tending to overshoot. I weaved off to the right, and he looked out to his left. I weaved to the left and he looked out to his right. So, he still didn't know I was there. About this time I closed up to about thirty yards, and I was on his portside coming in at about a fifteen-degree angle. Well, twenty-five to thirty yards in the air looks as if you're right on top of him because there is no background, no perspective there and it looks pretty close. I could see all the details in his face because he turned and looked at me just as I had a bead on him. One of my can shells caught him in the face and blew his head right off. The body slumped and the slipstream caught the neck, the stub of the neck, and the blood streamed down the side of the cockpit. It was a great sight anyway. The red blood down the white fusilage. I must say it gives you a feeling of satisfaction when you actually blow their brains out."

Similar reason I picked Sailor Malan, he liked to kill and injure most of a bomber crew then let it go home as a warning to other bomber crews as to what would happen to them.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Similar reason I picked Sailor Malan, he liked to kill and injure most of a bomber crew then let it go home as a warning to other bomber crews as to what would happen to them.

I remember that

[HagarTheHorrible]

Good grief, you're a blood thirsty lot.

[Furio]

Below is George Beurling. If this isn't a cold hearted Bad Ass  I don't know what is.

 

 

"I came right up underneath his tail. I was going faster than he was; about fifty yards behind. I was tending to overshoot. I weaved off to the right, and he looked out to his left. I weaved to the left and he looked out to his right. So, he still didn't know I was there. About this time I closed up to about thirty yards, and I was on his portside coming in at about a fifteen-degree angle. Well, twenty-five to thirty yards in the air looks as if you're right on top of him because there is no background, no perspective there and it looks pretty close. I could see all the details in his face because he turned and looked at me just as I had a bead on him. One of my can shells caught him in the face and blew his head right off. The body slumped and the slipstream caught the neck, the stub of the neck, and the blood streamed down the side of the cockpit. It was a great sight anyway. The red blood down the white fusilage. I must say it gives you a feeling of satisfaction when you actually blow their brains out."

 

This is simply disgusting.

[Primus_71]

Below is George Beurling. If this isn't a cold hearted Bad Ass  I don't know what is.

 

 

"I came right up underneath his tail. I was going faster than he was; about fifty yards behind. I was tending to overshoot. I weaved off to the right, and he looked out to his left. I weaved to the left and he looked out to his right. So, he still didn't know I was there. About this time I closed up to about thirty yards, and I was on his portside coming in at about a fifteen-degree angle. Well, twenty-five to thirty yards in the air looks as if you're right on top of him because there is no background, no perspective there and it looks pretty close. I could see all the details in his face because he turned and looked at me just as I had a bead on him. One of my can shells caught him in the face and blew his head right off. The body slumped and the slipstream caught the neck, the stub of the neck, and the blood streamed down the side of the cockpit. It was a great sight anyway. The red blood down the white fusilage. I must say it gives you a feeling of satisfaction when you actually blow their brains out."

 

That describes  not a bad ass person. That describes a certifiable psychopath, and he sure was one. They had to stop touring him around as a war hero, for his character was a disgrace for the service. 

[AnaRasanen]

One notable person is Eino Luukkanen. From Wikipedia:

 

"Toisin kuin muut lentäjät, jotka maalasivat koneisiinsa viivoja tai tähtiä ilmavoittojen merkeiksi, Luukkanen merkitsi jokaisen ilmavoittonsa koneensa peräsimeen kiinnittämällään pilsneripullon etiketillä."

Translation:

"Unlike the other pilots, who painted stripes or stars to their planes as signs of aerial victories, Luukkanen marked his every aerial victory by sticking a label from a pilsner bottle to his plane's tail rudder."

 

"He wrote his memoirs (published in 1956) and proved a success, with three print runs. His book was translated in English and published in Britain in 1961 and reprinted in the US in 1992 entitled "Fighter over Finland"."

 

So there's some reading for you if you are interested.

[Brutus]

That describes  not a bad ass person. That describes a certifiable psychopath, and he sure was one. They had to stop touring him around as a war hero, for his character was a disgrace for the service. 

 

Well psychopath or not he could fly and he could shoot. I dare say he wasn't the only one who enjoyed his job. War isn't a particularly nice business in the first place.

[White1]

 

Rolf Arne Berg for his conduct, character & dedication.

 

Rolf Arne stayed with 331 squadron all the way to the end. Promoted to Wing Commander Flying he was the only one in the squadrons with a specially painted Spitfire. His own initials instead of the regular squadron codes. Parts of the tail and the wings were painted in Norwegian flag colours. He had the respect and admiration of both squadrons.

Rolf Arne Berg died in February 1945 in a tragic crash. Not only was it so tragic that he died in a crash but he was also tour-expired. He went along for an extra mission out of pure stubbornness and willingness to go up again one more time to fight the enemy. He convinced his friend Zulu Morris to add him to the mission. There had been reports about a Dutch airfield full of German airplanes parked around it. After getting “no” from Helge Mehre, he went further up the command and got his “yes” after all.

 

Even his bags were packed. He was supposed to go to Chamonix to ski. He wasn’t supposed to go over Holland in a Spitfire another time. But, the German airplanes were a too good of a chance to miss. A great opportunity to get in a few easy ground kills. It was supposed to be the encore for Norway’s best overall fighter pilot.

Flak was a fighter pilots worst enemy. No experience or 10 German airplanes shot down can help you deal with flak. Flak is about luck. Lots of experienced allied pilots lost their lives to flak when the war in reality had already been won. A German pilot could probably never have gotten close to shooting Rolf Arne down. He was that good and that experienced. Flak was something else. It was game of dice where the looser died.

When the Norwegian Spitfires attacked the airfield in Holland the flak opened up on them. Rolf Arne’s Spitfire was hit massively in one of the wings. Probably hit while gaining height after the attack. The Spitfire lost one of its wings and dived without control straight into a barn without exploding. He was found inside the cockpit by locals and buried nearby.

 

It may sound weird that Rolf Arne pulled up after such an attack. Famous fighter pilot Pierre Clostermann writes in his book “The big show” that pulling up from such an attack is asking to be shot down. The flak batteries are able to aim better if you’re higher up and not 10 meters from the ground. Rolf Arne pulled up but he probably had his reasons.

There were no real German airplanes on this airfield. They were dummy planes. It makes the entire event even sadder.

 

Read more on http://www.spitfirepilots.com/?p=218

Edited November 15, 2013 by White1

[Primus_71]

Well psychopath or not he could fly and he could shoot. I dare say he wasn't the only one who enjoyed his job. War isn't a particularly nice business in the first place.

 

I am not challenging his shooting skills, which he practiced with his pistol shooting stray dogs. Enjoying killing other persons, be it in war, and bragging about it is the very definition of psychopathic behavior. So fact remains. 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Beurling seems to fit a personality of a disgusting psychopath. He just used war as his excuse to fulfill his urge to kill people. And that extract from his memoirs just proves it, a total idiot no matter how good pilot or shot he was. Using animals as his gun practise targets just tells more of him as a person. Admiring someone who enjoys to kill humans and animals for his personal enjoyment..go figure.

[III/JG11_Tiger]

Good grief, you're a blood thirsty lot.

Well we wern't actually there and are not necessarilly condoning the behaivour.

 

The reality is it was war not a game, at the time those German bombers were killing hundreds of innocent civilians, does it make it any better if your killing is done at a distance?

Edited November 15, 2013 by III/JG11_Tiger

[III/JG11_Tiger]

S!

 

Beurling seems to fit a personality of a disgusting psychopath. He just used war as his excuse to fulfill his urge to kill people. And that extract from his memoirs just proves it, a total idiot no matter how good pilot or shot he was. Using animals as his gun practise targets just tells more of him as a person. Admiring someone who enjoys to kill humans and animals for his personal enjoyment..go figure.

So I assume you feel the same about Von Richtofen, Galland etc who all hunted animals and in Richtofens case kept trophy cups to celebrate his kills?

 

Again Im not condoning the behaviour but I am not sure that you couldnt call many soldiers behaviour at the time as phsycopathic, dont forget the person he killed was trying to do the same to him.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Well we wern't actually there and are not necessarilly condoning the behaivour.

 

The reality is it was war not a game, at the time those German bombers were killing hundreds of innocent civilians, does it make it any better if your killing is done at a distance?

 

This is something I can actually understand, wanting to have revenge and hating the enemy. I assume that you don't necessarily need to see that many dead civilians and destroyed homes to start doing that.

So I assume you feel the same about Von Richtofen, Galland etc who all hunted animals and in Richtofens case kept trophy cups to celebrate his kills?

 

Again Im not condoning the behaviour but I am not sure that you couldnt call many soldiers behaviour at the time as phsycopathic, dont forget the person he killed was trying to do the same to him.

Anyone who shoots stray dogs for fun is a psychopath and hopefully burns in hell or some other place worse than that.

Edited November 15, 2013 by mprhead

[II./JG27_Rich]

That describes  not a bad ass person. That describes a certifiable psychopath, and he sure was one. They had to stop touring him around as a war hero, for his character was a disgrace for the service. 

I didn't want to say it at first but since I'm from Canada too I guess I have the right lol. I've read 4 books on the subject of psychopaths and for a person to stand up in a comunity hall of people and blurt things out like this is not normal ....period!! no matter how much you don't care for the enemy. Usually someone who shoots down over 30 aeroplanes you would hear about once in a while but here in Canada I'm sure 99% know Chuck Yeager but never heard of Beurling. I wonder why lol. I would have liked to perform Dr. Robert Hare's psychopathy check list on Beurling.

Edited November 15, 2013 by II./JG27_Rich

[SPRCrash_Nemesis]

My favourite would be the Battle of Britain ace, Sailor Adolf Malan. A South African Pilot who flew for the British. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Malan

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4I5MpMj84A

 

Malan and his senior pilots also decided to abandon the "vic" formation used by the RAF, and turned to a looser formation (the "finger-four") similar to the four aircraft Schwarm the Luftwaffe had developed during the Spanish Civil War.

 

 

Although not an instinctive, gifted pilot Malan was an exceptional shot and a very aggressive air fighter, and above all a superb tactician who instilled the methods and techniques he had honed in 1940 into successive generations of young fighter pilots who followed him.

Malan developed a set of simple rules for fighter pilots, to be disseminated throughout RAF Fighter Command, which eventually could be found tacked to the wall of most airbases:

TEN OF MY RULES FOR AIR FIGHTING

1. Wait until you see the whites of his eyes. Fire short bursts of one to two seconds only when your sights are definitely "ON".
2. Whilst shooting think of nothing else, brace the whole of your body: have both hands on the stick: concentrate on your ring sight.
3. Always keep a sharp lookout. "Keep your finger out".
4. Height gives you the initiative.
5. Always turn and face the attack.
6. Make your decisions promptly. It is better to act quickly even though your tactics are not the best.
7. Never fly straight and level for more than 30 seconds in the combat area.
8. When diving to attack always leave a proportion of your formation above to act as a top guard.
9. INITIATIVE, AGGRESSION, AIR DISCIPLINE, and TEAMWORK are words that MEAN something in Air Fighting.
10. Go in quickly - Punch hard - Get out!

Edited November 15, 2013 by SPRCrash_Nemesis

[Hunziker]

If you want bad arse go no further than Adolph "Sailor" Malan

 

Erm....who will I pick

[stiboo]

Sorry lots of my books are in storage, I'm sure there was an American pilot who shot down a plane from every major nation, German, Italian and Japanese and even a US C47 as it was heading the wrong way towards Japanese lines.. but can't remember his name!  Anyone know?

 

 

 

 

and as for -

 

 

 

My favourite would be the Battle of Britain ace, Sailor Adolf Malan. A South African Pilot who flew for the British. 
 

Malan and his senior pilots also decided to abandon the "vic" formation used by the RAF, and turned to a looser formation (the "finger-four") similar to the four aircraft Schwarm the Luftwaffe had developed during the Spanish Civil War.

 

Although not an instinctive, gifted pilot Malan was an exceptional shot and a very aggressive air fighter, and above all a superb tactician who instilled the methods and techniques he had honed in 1940 into successive generations of young fighter pilots who followed him.

Malan developed a set of simple rules for fighter pilots, to be disseminated throughout RAF Fighter Command, which eventually could be found tacked to the wall of most airbases:

 

 

 

 

 

I always wondered what would have happened if Malan had been shot down and captured...

 

German - " What is your name.."

 

Malan - " Adolph! "

 

German - " ahhh ze British sense of humour ya ! "

 

 

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