Cloyd Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I don't have a problem with that. It's a very pretty, hi fidelity game with lots of "hardcore" elements. PERFECT, I'm all in! I love just flying around in my F4 looking at the scenery and the cockpit, but that's starting to get old. What's the game plan? I've played the campaign, unlocked everything useful. I've played the veteran66 missions, which are beautifully crafted. Now what, what's the plan? I'm relatively satisfied with what I've gotten, but what do I do now? Cloyd
Cloyd Posted January 17, 2015 Author Posted January 17, 2015 Go online No thanks, been there, done that. I was an online addict about 20 years ago. I had my fun, but I'm not interested in that that now. Cloyd
dburne Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) There has not been an official roadmap announced that I am aware of. About all you can do for now is keep an eye on this forum for the next Developer Diary for any clues about what they may be working on. Edited January 17, 2015 by dburne
CorsairHundo Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Just curious, what turned you off from online? I think I may know which I experienced a lot in online racing, but I went the direction of leagues without the chance of some idiot ruin my fun
Cloyd Posted January 17, 2015 Author Posted January 17, 2015 Just curious, what turned you off from online? I think I may know which I experienced a lot in online racing, but I went the direction of leagues without the chance of some idiot ruin my fun To be effective online requires a big time commitment to sharpen you skills against human opponents, whether you are flying with a squad or acting as a lone wolf. I no longer have the time or the interest. Maybe someday that will change. But, now I'm more interested in SP. Cloyd 1
Wulf Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I don't have a problem with that. It's a very pretty, hi fidelity game with lots of "hardcore" elements. PERFECT, I'm all in! I love just flying around in my F4 looking at the scenery and the cockpit, but that's starting to get old. What's the game plan? I've played the campaign, unlocked everything useful. I've played the veteran66 missions, which are beautifully crafted. Now what, what's the plan? I'm relatively satisfied with what I've gotten, but what do I do now? Cloyd Firstly, I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're drawing here between a game and a sim? What exactly are you driving at? Secondly, just what were you expecting to receive for your $100 investment? Currently you have both single and multi-player options (you have rejected multi-player out of hand) in a number of beautifully executed aircraft models with realistic (give or take - nothing's ever going to be perfect) FMs with various additional content coming down the pyke from the company and or 3rd party types as and when circumstances allow. In other words hours and hours and hours of entertainment. Put another way, take your $100 purchase price, and a friend, and pop along to a local restaurant and see what you get for your money. When you've finished your meal approach the manager and ask him "is that it?" I'd be interested to know what he says. 1
KodiakJac Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) No thanks, been there, done that. I was an online addict about 20 years ago. I had my fun, but I'm not interested in that that now. Cloyd Same here... Constantly honing my Kung Fu ACM got boring. Now I'm interested in SP mission oriented game play with a storyline. If 1CGS comes up with some way to encapsulate missions like Chir Front into an in-game campaign system that tracks your progress through time BoS will have wheels. Its all about role playing for me. I think role playing is fairly popular with a good track record of success in the gaming industry. Edited January 17, 2015 by Bucksnort 1
Frost* Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Firstly, I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're drawing here between a game and a sim? What exactly are you driving at? Secondly, just what were you expecting to receive for your $100 investment? Currently you have both single and multi-player options (you have rejected multi-player out of hand) in a number of beautifully executed aircraft models with realistic (give or take - nothing's ever going to be perfect) FMs with various additional content coming down the pyke from the company and or 3rd party types as and when circumstances allow. In other words hours and hours and hours of entertainment. Put another way, take your $100 purchase price, and a friend, and pop along to a local restaurant and see what you get for your money. When you've finished your meal approach the manager and ask him "is that it?" I'd be interested to know what he says. Firstly multi-player is not for everyone...my self included. I'm in total agreement with the op. Whilst BOS is pretty enough and has some nice touches, content for the single player is abysmal (of course that is my own opinion). There's plenty of evidence to suggest that even the multi-player guys totally agree with this. You only have to look at the furore on this board re them being made to hack through the SP campaign so as to level up. It seems many would rather have spent their time sitting on a spike than playing through the SP offering. At this time I feel shafted having paid 50$ let alone a $100. It's still relatively early days so I live in hopes that this may change. Also, any comparisons re the value and playability of BOS should be with time spent in enjoyment of similarly priced games/sims rather than a a meal at a restaurant. I do understand the distinction between a game and a sim. Again, in my opinion BOS in its present state is a game. I think it's fair to say that many of the hardcore 'simmers' that purchased BOS expected much more (given what they were lead to believe) and have voted with their feet.
pencon Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 50 $ is not a lot of cash to worry about . I paid 100 for mine . 50 is less than 5 packs of smokes where I'm from . (Finally did quit that nasty habit a few years ago ) There's a hell of a lot worse games or sims to choose from for your money . BOS has a lot of potential .You just need some of your friends to get in on this which makes the online much more entertaining than shooting down mindless bots .
Cloyd Posted January 18, 2015 Author Posted January 18, 2015 Firstly, I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're drawing here between a game and a sim? What exactly are you driving at? Secondly, just what were you expecting to receive for your $100 investment? Currently you have both single and multi-player options (you have rejected multi-player out of hand) in a number of beautifully executed aircraft models with realistic (give or take - nothing's ever going to be perfect) FMs with various additional content coming down the pyke from the company and or 3rd party types as and when circumstances allow. In other words hours and hours and hours of entertainment. Put another way, take your $100 purchase price, and a friend, and pop along to a local restaurant and see what you get for your money. When you've finished your meal approach the manager and ask him "is that it?" I'd be interested to know what he says. Dude, it's not about the money. And it's not about the label. Sim? Game? I don't care what it's called. It's about the content. 3
CorsairHundo Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Dude, it's not about the money. And it's not about the label. Sim? Game? I don't care what it's called. It's about the content. The restaurant analogy is some weak sauce lol
Sokol1 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) This is "game" problem. I play >60 hours in Far Cry 4 (3 times the average), end the so so campaign, but as I have no interest in unlock "1800KG" grenades or fancy "skin" for elephants, now, unless wander on the boring map "doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again - shooting at that that train... ops. at that Royal Patrol jeep or at some bear - expecting sh*t to change", there's nothing to do... unless wait for FC 5. Edited January 18, 2015 by Sokol1
Wulf Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 The restaurant analogy is some weak sauce lol Heheheeh ..."some weak sauce". That actually made me LOL. But seriously now, I really don't understand your elevated expectations. I got my $100 worth during the Early Access phase. Pretty much anything after that was just a bonus. Is BoS (sim or game) everything I'd been hoping for? No, but what in life ever is. The biggest disappointment for me is the lack of local servers but maybe that will come in time. It's not a new problem for me down here in NZ as it happens. Anyway, I intend to stick with it and find out. As for SP gaming, I've never understood how anyone can be bothered with it - scripted and boring as it is. The real action and excitement is always going to be online. However, each to their own I guess. But in the end I don't think you guys are going to get what you're looking for with BoS. If I were you, with all those unfulfilled expectations and all, I'd just join the queue at the big door marked 'exit' and move on to one of those other CFS out there that actually give you what you need. Oh yeah, and when you find them, be sure and report back. I'd be interested to know how you get on.
BlitzPig_EL Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Have to agree with Sokol1, Until my computer upgrade is complete online is out of the question. The campaign is a drudgery of boring, repetitive "missions", enough said about that. So I am in Cloyd's position as well... After I get everything unlocked, which I may not even bother with, as it has taken an eternity to unlock just one aircraft, what is left to do here? I would love to return to the days when online was flourishing, with hundreds upon hundreds of people online, every night, with a wealth of different types of maps/missions to play, and a place for all play styles. Sadly, I fear that will never happen again. The super hard core "rivet counter" types have taken over, and their wishes are driving the genre, which has chased off the majority of players who want a "fun" combat flight experience, and not a second job. And please, don't say "move to War Thunder", because that is not the experience that those who have left the genre are after. We want it to be accurate, we want correct models and maps, but we want to have an enjoyable, fun experience, not a stressful, second job. 3
Jade_Monkey Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Just wait till the mission editor is released to the public and you will see a plethora of user created missions. For now some patience will have to do. I understand the campaign is pretty uderwhelming right now, especially if you enjoy the role playing aspect. 1
BlackDevil Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Also, any comparisons re the value and playability of BOS should be with time spent in enjoyment of similarly priced games/sims rather than a a meal at a restaurant. There are a few sims, which did cost me at least 50 bucks: FSX, x-plane, Prepar3d, CloD, several DCS modules etc. All together I played less than 10 hours. So, compared to them, BoS was a great investement for me
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Well it appears you've come to a stump in the road. Now the question is, what do you plan on doing with that stump or are you just going to turn around and go back the way you came? This is a question that none of us can answer for you. Only you can. New Wings has an online Basic Training server where new pilots learn to fly and work on their targeting. You could always check in there and see if you can help someone with the knowledge you have. Cheers Chief
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 This production was officially released in November and is a work in progress, its still VERY new. We are used to immediate gratification which is not going to work with a small dev team - I read somewhere that they only have 2 programmers - so you will have to be patient. Regarding the 100USD cost, its a niche game which is aimed at simulator pilots and then again at ww2/warbird enthusiasts and again its aimed at a very specific theatre of war, so its even more niche market. Step away from the game for a while and wait to see what comes out of it. You might be surprised and if not I am sure you had lots of fun for your 100 bucks. IL2 took years to grow and from what I hear it still is going strong.
XQ_Lothar29 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I am a lone wolf, and I spend it in large, me were that if flight with teammates? on the other hand, how would you define a Simulator? We have DCSWorld and its modules, which is a hard simulation. but each focused in its way of recreating the battles andother situation. it has management of propeller, radiator management, management of mixing, supercharge and more, and waiting for next updates where to add more. you want 100% simulation, purchase wood, machine cut and fan, mounts a replica cabin of your favorite aircraft enginesound, and enjoy your Simulator... here and example: jijijiiji...
Guest deleted@30725 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Go online against other players. You don't need to be a basement nerd to have fun. Don't go online. Keep doing the same AI stuff. Play something else. It's no job. Edited January 19, 2015 by deleted@30725
SR-F_Winger Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Jap OP. Get online and try to get your ass NOT handed to you regularily:) This will take you some time thou:) For me it never gets old!
Sokol1 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 "Go online", there you can know the best of the ... "Airquake Game".
SR-F_Winger Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 IMO not really airquake. For some strange reason the airquake servers are empty in this SIM. I remember in ROF a while ago there was only the fastfood server that was filled most of the time. Dunno about now.
voncrapenhauser Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) IMO this is a game as most sims really are. But within a game I personally want my aircraft to fly as near as perfect that a sim can offer. I do believe that no game/sim can really replicate the feel of real flight that I have personally experienced. This game comes close enough with some tweaks to various flight models this would be mighty close, (as you can get). The appeal of multiplayer, just for dogfighting(fighter to fighter) is not so great here too and like campaign in its form right now gets old quick.. But I was surprised how good this is in MP when they add co op missions, perhaps in campaign too I'll be on it like a tramp on a bag of chips. I believe this game shows more promise than I have ever seen in others and am patiently awaiting the road map of where this game is going. Edited January 19, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
Scarecrow Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) That's some nice trolling OP Edited January 19, 2015 by Scarecrow
voncrapenhauser Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Just my opinion as I say If it was aimed at me, I don't know, No quote. Edited January 19, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
voncrapenhauser Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 'BlitzPig_EL' said We want it to be accurate, we want correct models and maps, but we want to have an enjoyable, fun experience, not a stressful, second job. +1 On that I wholeheartidly agree.
Brano Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Join Pilots Federation in Elite Dangerous.Sky is not the limit anymore
Cloyd Posted January 19, 2015 Author Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. But, like I said, I have no interest in on-line. Guess I'll just have to wait and see if, when, and how SP progresses. Cloyd
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I would love to return to the days when online was flourishing, with hundreds upon hundreds of people online, every night, with a wealth of different types of maps/missions to play, and a place for all play styles. Sadly, I fear that will never happen again. This is not happening because there's fragmentation and there's no sim able to convey a large community of players under one roof. That happened with IL2 1946, but is not going to happen now. The division between CLOD fans and BOS fans is enough to cut in an half the community. At least we are lucky that CLOD fans and BOS fans are still playing, but what about those that stopped playing because deluded by the way things went from CLOD release onwards...?. IL2 1946 has raised the bar of expectations from new sims to a level maybe too high. Nevertheless many sims can be a good thing, but has its drawbacks, because is a dividing factor and also because there's spreading of energy in different directions in an already niche market and community. 1
ST_ami7b5 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) ^^ And maybe DCS:WWII (if completed) will divide simmers even more... If only someone would make IL*2 1946 'next gen' ... Just to dress the content to new clothes. Nice dream. I would pay a really fair amount of money for that. Edited January 19, 2015 by ST_ami7b5 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 This is not happening because there's fragmentation and there's no sim able to convey a large community of players under one roof. That happened with IL2 1946, but is not going to happen now. The division between CLOD fans and BOS fans is enough to cut in an half the community. At least we are lucky that CLOD fans and BOS fans are still playing, but what about those that stopped playing because deluded by the way things went from CLOD release onwards...?. IL2 1946 has raised the bar of expectations from new sims to a level maybe too high. Nevertheless many sims can be a good thing, but has its drawbacks, because is a dividing factor and also because there's spreading of energy in different directions in an already niche market and community. That is a very good assessment of the situation. The utter failure of CloD drove a spike in the heart of the genre. The WW2 air combat simulation demographic is simply not large enough to support two or three titles. We need one sim to rule them all, like the original IL2 did, and frankly, that is not happening.
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Ty BlitzPig, not to talk of those who are still playing IL2 1946 and haven't moved to the new sims...........first love is hard to forget.... 1
XQ_Lothar29 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Ty BlitzPig, not to talk of those who are still playing IL2 1946 and haven't moved to the new sims...........first love is hard to forget.... Yes!! First love y very Hard to Forget Il-2 1946 was undoubtedly the first step to the simulation of many virtual pilots This situation will be difficul to repeat Edited January 20, 2015 by Lothar29
Guest deleted@1562 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 My first love in WW2 aircombat was Pacific Fighters. And yes I want more and better single player content in BoS. What we have now is a huge letdown when in April 2013 the devs saw BoS primarily as a single player game: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=11212
wtornado Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 This is "game" problem. I play >60 hours in Far Cry 4 (3 times the average), end the so so campaign, but as I have no interest in unlock "1800KG" grenades or fancy "skin" for elephants, now, unless wander on the boring map "doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again - shooting at that that train... ops. at that Royal Patrol jeep or at some bear - expecting sh*t to change", there's nothing to do... unless wait for FC 5. I guess Farcry needs a mission editor too.
wtornado Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Have to agree with Sokol1, Until my computer upgrade is complete online is out of the question. The campaign is a drudgery of boring, repetitive "missions", enough said about that. So I am in Cloyd's position as well... After I get everything unlocked, which I may not even bother with, as it has taken an eternity to unlock just one aircraft, what is left to do here? I would love to return to the days when online was flourishing, with hundreds upon hundreds of people online, every night, with a wealth of different types of maps/missions to play, and a place for all play styles. Sadly, I fear that will never happen again. The super hard core "rivet counter" types have taken over, and their wishes are driving the genre, which has chased off the majority of players who want a "fun" combat flight experience, and not a second job. And please, don't say "move to War Thunder", because that is not the experience that those who have left the genre are after. We want it to be accurate, we want correct models and maps, but we want to have an enjoyable, fun experience, not a stressful, second job. The mighty days of online fights with lots of players are over .Like I said before there is no Full Mission Builder to build online andoffline missions coops and campiagns. The King is dead long live the King.... The King is dead long live the king... Of course the new king has FMB's with server creation access and coops and all the goodies to save your online playing. I am the same as many others too in that online playing is over for me. No patients and less time makes me lose interest fast and personally I like the ''pause'' button when I am out of beer or snacks or the phone or the doorbell. ''Pause button is my friend''. 43t9th_Wtornado
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