Would you buy an Aerobatic-type "modern" aircraft and matching scenery for the BoS platform?

[Pringliano]

This is a Poll for finding out if this type of aircraft / scenery would be a viable investment for the il-2 platform.

 

It would bring, I believe, more simmers not only interested in ww2 air combat, and allow them to profit from the superior flight dynamics provided by this platform.

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

Definitely not. Liaison, transport and reconnaissance aircraft in a heartbeat. But the modern aerial equivalent to Goat Simulator... No

way.

[Finkeren]

No thanks. Not for me, I believe the main reason the original IL2 and RoF have endured so well is their ever-expanding historical (well, mostly historical) plane set, allowing players to experiece the technogical advancements throughout the wars and create large numbers of very different historical scenarios.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Finkeren

[Dakpilot]

That is a tricky one, while I would think it is a good idea to appeal to a different market, the 'world' of civil flight sims is very developed and to compete with that would be hard. Also the 777/1C team is small and probably has enough on its plate with RoF/BoS and developing new theatres etc.

 

If it could be done with no impact to BoS development I would be happy, but personally I could not see that happening for a long time.

 

I think there would be enough aircraft variety for Air races and a mod map to keep people happy when BoS has matured a bit

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[J2_Trupobaw]

Tricky one. In ideal world, yes, I'd like to see aerobatic  plane using superb BoS physics. In world of limited development resources, it's one of last things I want.

I  would buy it and enjoy it, but I'd prefer the game to develop differently. 

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Definitely not. When we have every fighter, bomber, ground attacker, destroyer, reconnaissance, transport, emergency and STOL plane and prototype of Spanish war, Khalkin Gol, WW2 and Korea, then maybe, yes.

But i would still prefer the Tiger Moth or the Bücker Bü 133

[SR-F_Winger]

Nope. Everything WWII content instantly. But modern day maybe when we have the contentrange that IL2 1946 has today. But not earlier:)

[voncrapenhauser]

WW2 all the way with me IMO.

Think spotter aircraft, liaison and transport aircraft would add to this sim only if they had dedicated missions within the campaign or missions section. 

I think this could be of interest as most people complain how repetitive the campaign is.

I know some wont find this "exiting" enough but it would add variation to the campaign hopefully lessening the Grinding we have at this time.

So adding some, not many of these type missions may help.

I think the aerobatic aircraft might be fun also but I feel wouldn't add anything to the campaign IMO.

Edited January 15, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[DD_Arthur]

Interesting poll jcomm.  I voted no to the specific question.  This is a combat flight sim and I'm not interested in aerobatic planes appearing in it.

 

However, I'd be very interested in a civil flight sim based on the same engine and in the same style as MS Flight Sim. This would have to involve the ability of third parties to create 'planes, flight models and scenery themselves - and the ability to sell it themselves - rather like DCS at present.

 

As far as MicroSoft are concerned Flight Sim X is abandonware but the vast interest is kept alive by the thriving third party add-ons.  How would the 1C Games Studio team handle that?

 

The big turn off for me these days of MS Flight Sim is the on rails flight model but the thought of a 747 or a glider made in the DN engine is pretty exciting.

Edited January 15, 2015 by arthursmedley

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

I don't think it would offer anything significant to the type of flight sim this is except as a pure distraction for those who become bored with what this is, a combat sim.

 

Chief

[voncrapenhauser]

Definitely not. When we have every fighter, bomber, ground attacker, destroyer, reconnaissance, transport, emergency and STOL plane and prototype of Spanish war, Khalkin Gol, WW2 and Korea, then maybe, yes.

But i would still prefer the Tiger Moth or the Bücker Bü 133

+1 agreed.

How about a few STOL missions in, say a fiesler storch flying into really hard landing area's to test a pilots skill?.

[indiaciki]

Agreed. Tiger Moth, Stearman, Storch, Po-2 etc would be great.

[voncrapenhauser]

I think its strange as some people only see this Sim as a "combat Sim".

As if no other aircraft ever existed besides fighters?

I think there is more than enough room for a more elaborate Sim aircraft of this era without adding Goats as some have suggested , lol.

But yes there are more important planes to be added than non historical ones.

Agreed. Tiger Moth, Stearman, Storch, Po-2 etc would be great.

+1

Bücker Bü 133 would be an excellent choice.

Edited January 15, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[Bearcat]

This is a Poll for finding out if this type of aircraft / scenery would be a viable investment for the il-2 platform.

 

It would bring, I believe, more simmers not only interested in ww2 air combat, and allow them to profit from the superior flight dynamics provided by this platform.

 

This sim is the only developer supported dedicated WWII sim currently on the market. That is a position that should not be squandered or taken for granted.  In my opinion this team needs to be more focused on developing the ready made fan base that it has partially alienated than trying to think up any more new and innovative ways to attract simmers. If they do that.. either directly by altering some things as they are currently implemented if possible given time and man power considerations or indirectly as in a different methodology moving forward with new content they will be more successful in the long run. This sim will rise regardless.. whether it rises like a balloon or a rocket will depend entirely on the decisions this team makes in the next 6-12 months. It will rise higher faster as a rocket.. and with windows of opportunity in a constant state of flux... it would behoove the decision makers to consider that.

 

If they deliver on the WWII content and decide todo something like this say 4 years from now.. it will be a no brainer for just about everyone.

[voncrapenhauser]

Tricky one. In ideal world, yes, I'd like to see aerobatic  plane using superb BoS physics. In world of limited development resources, it's one of last things I want.

 

I  would buy it and enjoy it, but I'd prefer the game to develop differently. 

+1

[Yakdriver]

No.
other platforms, other public.

i would however, welcome, various modes of "wingtip smoke" and "exhaust smoke".
This is because back in the day, there was some serious Wingtip-to-Wingtip Formation Flying going on, Blue Angels and Red Arrows Style. That stuff had me riveted to the screen.

my Favorite Planes, above my favorite Battlegrounds, doing majestic Stuff in perfect synch by awesome Combat Flight Simmer Pilots wearing wellmade Skins.
Porn.

[361fundahl]

Put an aerobatic plane with damage model and guns!

[Sokol1]

i would however, welcome, various modes of "wingtip smoke" and "exhaust smoke".

This is because back in the day, there was some serious Wingtip-to-Wingtip Formation Flying going on, Blue Angels and Red Arrows Style. That stuff had me riveted to the screen.

my Favorite Planes, above my favorite Battlegrounds, doing majestic Stuff in perfect synch by awesome Combat Flight Simmer Pilots wearing wellmade Skins.

 

 

In such case, dont forget to ask to be include in DServer options:

 

Wingtip smoke OFF

Exhaust smoke OFF

[Cryptonomica]

I would rather see an expanded lineup of hostorical warplanes (including transports and reconnaissance planes, along with appropriate missions).

[voncrapenhauser]

I would rather see an expanded lineup of hostorical warplanes (including transports and reconnaissance planes, along with appropriate missions).

+1

[II./JG77_Manu*]

+1 agreed.

How about a few STOL missions in, say a fiesler storch flying into really hard landing area's to test a pilots skill?.

i would love some missions with the Storch. You could even implement it in multiplayer, it could offer an amazing new style of gameplay.

Just imagine, if you could save pilots, who are parachuting in the enemy area. You get a notification, in which grid he went down. If you manage to save him, you get half of the points he earned in his flight, and he gots the other half of his points, instead of getting no points at all. You could of course also save your own pilot. Would definitely diversify the gameplay.

[Brano]

DCS would be better platform for such aircraft(s).It is much their style of releasing planes around.

[JohnHardtack]

I agree with Bearcat here. You have to realize that the team is of modest size with limited resources. Their main focus needs to be the continuation in creating what could will become the best WW2 flight sim in the marketplace. To do so is an almost impossible very hard balancing act. They have to satisfy the SP group while at the same time satisfying the MP group. Going ahead, they need to continue to develop "immersion", adding necessary elements to the environment.

 

Yes, the Ju-52 (or the Ju-88 or the Fiesler Storch) would be nice, but imagine the excitement of over-flying massive troop and tank engagements. Or, seeing the distant huge Guards Army formations forming in the distance in preparation for Operation Uranus? Unseen because of bad weather. Imagine the immersion! Of somehow making you believe that YOUR contribution makes a difference!

Edited January 15, 2015 by JohnHardtack

[voncrapenhauser]

i would love some missions with the Storch. You could even implement it in multiplayer, it could offer an amazing new style of gameplay.

Just imagine, if you could save pilots, who are parachuting in the enemy area. You get a notification, in which grid he went down. If you manage to save him, you get half of the points he earned in his flight, and he gots the other half of his points, instead of getting no points at all. You could of course also save your own pilot. Would definitely diversify the gameplay.

+1 Exactly.

Some pilots on BOS complain about how boring and have to grind to get points for unlocks but balk against other kind of flying???.

 I think this kind of thinking is the way forward. 

I am not saying make this Sim into a game but add some features like you describe to make it more interesting, diversified and add Immersion.

 

I am patient and such features may come in the future......One step at a time I'm thinking, I am not asking for this now. 

A consideration for the future.

So far apart from some tweaks needed to the FMs I'm really happy with the progress so far. 

 

Sorry from slipping from subject here.

Who knows in the future we might see an aerobatic sub game for the guys who want that too?.

Edited January 15, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[BraveSirRobin]

I only want them working on things that I can shoot down or blow up, or on things that are closely related to shooting things down and blowing things up.

[voncrapenhauser]

I only want them working on things that I can shoot down or blow up, or on things that are closely related to shooting things down and blowing things up.

A joke right?......LOL

There's more to simming ??......

I agree with Bearcat here. You have to realize that the team is of modest size with limited resources. Their main focus needs to be the continuation in creating what could will become the best WW2 flight sim in the marketplace. To do so is an almost impossible very hard balancing act. They have to satisfy the SP group while at the same time satisfying the MP group. Going ahead, they need to continue to develop "immersion", adding necessary elements to the environment.

 

Yes, the Ju-52 (or the Ju-88 or the Fiesler Storch) would be nice, but imagine the excitement of over-flying massive troop and tank engagements. Or, seeing the distant huge Guards Army formations forming in the distance in preparation for Operation Uranus? Unseen because of bad weather. Imagine the immersion! Of somehow making you believe that YOUR contribution makes a difference!

Imagine the immersion! Of somehow making you believe that YOUR contribution makes a difference!

 

+1 definitely.

Edited January 15, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[BzKBravoZulu]

Not sure if an Extra300 type plane fit contextually in the IL2 universe, though it would be fun to fly.

 

What I wouldn't mind seeing though is a stripped down (lightened) version of any new fighter planes introduced, eg the Spitfire (Here's hoping)

that could be used for aerobatics/ air racing/ time trialing etc - or maybe the supermarine S. 6B, The racing Spit that won the Schneider cup in 1931

and then broke the world record. I think something more historical and contextually relevant might appeal to the community more.

 

That might be a more achievable goal than creating a modern plane from scratch.

[J2_Trupobaw]

If we are daydreaming already, I'd love to see a "Flight School" sim . Based on BoS physics, with Lapino map or one of RoF maps with BoS-style modern airfields. With Cessna 172, Curtiss JN-4 or Albatros B.II or unarmed, double control Halberstadt Cl.II, Tiger Moth, unarmed LaGG-3 AND a modern aerobatic plane. No combat at all, but plenty of flying lesson scenarios concerning take-offs, landings, climbing, navigation, aerobatics and so on. Full multiplayer capability with double control, so instructor and pupil can fly the same plane in online flight lessons. Preferably free to play, using as much RoF/BoS content as possible, so it could be used to train or self-train vpilots and generally help bring new players into any pre-Korean combat flight sim. 

Realistically, we'll be lucky if we see one-two trainers for DCS rather than full blown training title. Aerofly FS is exactly that but it's separate payware title, no MP capability and planes are somewhat simplistic.

 

Edited January 15, 2015 by Trupobaw

[indiaciki]

I already suggested in this forum and in the RoF forum that it would be very, very good to develop a civilian sim with the ROF and BoS flight model. It would amazing. Should have clickable cockpit though...

[GP*]

i would love some missions with the Storch. You could even implement it in multiplayer, it could offer an amazing new style of gameplay.

Just imagine, if you could save pilots, who are parachuting in the enemy area. You get a notification, in which grid he went down. If you manage to save him, you get half of the points he earned in his flight, and he gots the other half of his points, instead of getting no points at all. You could of course also save your own pilot. Would definitely diversify the gameplay.

A Storch would be awesome.

[Aracno]

As a member of a virtual aerobatic team i really would like to use BOS engine for our activity.

With an SDK we would be able to make our own 3d model, map, and the FM (we have both engineer and real pilot of our ac and already did it for IL2 1946).

But i'm aware that this is only a dream ....

 

Edited January 16, 2015 by Aracno

[Aracno]

 

Whow!!! What sim's being used for that?  As far as I can tell, it's not DCS ???

I strongly believe that given this poll is being answered mostly by il2-BoS users, which are primarily virtual combat pilots, it is somehow biased, and that should I make the same poll available to typical civil flightsimmers who know about the promising flight dynamics in il-2 BoS and overall systems modelling and we would get even more positives.

 

I am a good example of someone coming from a long esperience of civil flightsims, into the world of combat flightsims.

 

Starting with a Russian, Polish, Czech aerobatic or all-purpose civil aircraft module, with easier access to performance data, 1C / 777 would have a good showcase for a possible "incursion" into this type of modules, and certainly increase the users base. I think most of the presently 52 canon-only guys could not resist that too :-)

 

Being mostly a civil flight simmer, I come to combat flightsims because of the far superior flight dynamics, part of systems modeling, damage model, they offer, together with a much more complex AI world around me when I fly SP!

 

 

It's the dear old Il2 1946.

Most of the aerobatic teams use DCS, but unfortunately with DCS you dont have complete access to the FM and we dont want to fly with a Mig 29 dressed up as a MB 339.

[voncrapenhauser]

As a member of a virtual aerobatic team i really would like to use BOS engine for our activity.

With an SDK we would be able to make our own 3d model, map, and the FM (we have both engineer and real pilot of our ac and already did it for IL2 1946).

But i'm aware that this is only a dream ....

 

Cool!

 

A Storch would be awesome.

I'm glad not all pilots on BOS are fighter jocks.

Some like us like a little diversity.

I already suggested in this forum and in the RoF forum that it would be very, very good to develop a civilian sim with the ROF and BoS flight model. It would amazing. Should have clickable cockpit though...

+1

Sounds good to me!

If we are daydreaming already, I'd love to see a "Flight School" sim . Based on BoS physics, with Lapino map or one of RoF maps with BoS-style modern airfields. With Cessna 172, Curtiss JN-4 or Albatros B.II or unarmed, double control Halberstadt Cl.II, Tiger Moth, unarmed LaGG-3 AND a modern aerobatic plane. No combat at all, but plenty of flying lesson scenarios concerning take-offs, landings, climbing, navigation, aerobatics and so on. Full multiplayer capability with double control, so instructor and pupil can fly the same plane in online flight lessons. Preferably free to play, using as much RoF/BoS content as possible, so it could be used to train or self-train vpilots and generally help bring new players into any pre-Korean combat flight sim. 

 

Realistically, we'll be lucky if we see one-two trainers for DCS rather than full blown training title. Aerofly FS is exactly that but it's separate payware title, no MP capability and planes are somewhat simplistic.

Maybe in the new iteration of MS Flight sim in 2015?......fingers crossed.

But don't hold your breath.

Edited January 16, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Nice .... thanks for sharing ... and I dare say that with a dedicated crew and some player mods via JSGMA you could utilize most of the existing aircraft in an aerobatic example. But the key is not so much in a specialized aircraft (though I guess it could help) but more in the dedication to doing this. A lot of time goes into something like this.

 

Chief

[johncage]

you can do aerobics in any flight sim, so why do you need to buy anything? go into the game and start flying

[Guest deleted@30725]

Nice idea. Wrong game. Can't really see a profitable market for this. Just a few hardcore enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with it.

 

Reality check. I doubt it makes good business sense though. Type of thing a small community of enthusiasts would create or be combined into a current civilian flying game.

 

It's the kind of thing that a dedicated team could pitch to DCS to offer to make and sell these aircraft for their module based dcs world. It's theoretically possible. There may be a market in a sandbox game like that, but then that would be an untold amount of work. Still. Theoretically possible.

 

They've already strayed into ww2, corea, helicopters and fighter jets.

Edited January 16, 2015 by deleted@30725

[BraveSirRobin]

A joke right?......LOL

There's more to simming ??......

 

I'm not joking at all.  If I wanted to fly aerobatics in an Extra I'd buy an Extra.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

I strongly believe that given this poll is being answered mostly by il2-BoS users, which are primarily virtual combat pilots, it is somehow biased, and that should I make the same poll available to typical civil flightsimmers who know about the promising flight dynamics in il-2 BoS and overall systems modelling and we would get even more positives.

 

Starting with a Russian, Polish, Czech aerobatic or all-purpose civil aircraft module, with easier access to performance data, 1C / 777 would have a good showcase for a possible "incursion" into this type of modules, and certainly increase the users base. I think most of the presently 52 canon-only guys could not resist that too :-)

 

Jcomm i highly respect your posts in here and in the DCS forum, almost all of them seem very reasonable and well thought. But i think with this statement, you do the combat flight simmers no good, it's a little bit to much biased in my opinion. Did you read my first post in this thread? I think most people in this forum would agree. I think most of us "combat simmers" are not only into fighters, and shooting other planes down. I think most of us would love to do some water rescue mission in a future med scenario with the Heinkel He59, looking for some rubber boat, always worried to be found by the enemy. I think most of us would love to do some naval recon mission with the Consolitaded PBY, or make some crucial photos from an enemy industrial complex in the Do17Z. I think most of us would love to do some transport missions with the Ju52 (heck, i am a fighter pilot, but 25% of my multiplayer time i fly transport missions with the 111). I think most of us would love to do some airdrop mission with the Condor. Then the Fieseler Storch stuff i wrote before. I wouldn't even mind implementing a Go145 and a Po2 with some proper flight education missions. But it has to fit the scenario.

In an ideal world with 1C/777 having endless funds, i would definitely welcome it, if they would publish a pure modern aerobatic flight game. But with those financial limitations, this small customer base, where they have to fight for their lives to even publish a new WW2 scenario (at least, that's what it seems), i think it's crucial to further concentrate on the WW2 scenario.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Celestiale

[voncrapenhauser]

I'm not joking at all.  If I wanted to fly aerobatics in an Extra I'd buy an Extra.

I agree.

 

I don't want an extra in this game.

What I do want is a little diversity in the missions, especially in what most agree is a poor campaign.

With more diversity of missions with different aircraft types we might have this?

[PA-Sniv]

You can do racing and aerobatics with a combat plane;

You can't do combat with an aerobatic plane;

So we don't need aerobatic plane in a combat simulation (even if it had anti-matter rail guns... )!

Edited January 28, 2015 by PA-Sniv