Horse carriage

[IckyATLAS]

It is nice to have barking dogs in the villages. But we lack some animations, like people wandering around and mainly horse carriages which were used much in those times.

I hope future version would add to these animations.

 

It is nice to fly in planes high and above but it is as much as important to feel atop a living  world

[Dakpilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOE28Ub96eY

 

Great horses in RoF, maybe they will come to bos with a bit of modification

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Finkeren]

And realisic fluid effects and giblets on the horses DM pls. It's such an immesion killer to see a horse simply fall over when hit by a 37mm HE shell.  

 

Nah, I can live without, but horses would be a great addition, especially if we could get horse drawn carriages and artillery as ground attack targets. The majority of the Wehrmacht relied on horses to haul everything throughout the war, even more so in situations like the Stalingrad pocket, so it really belongs in BoS. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Really? Wasn't the best time back than to go out and take your horse for a ride i think

 

I bet there're plenty of animals they could add if we continue this on. They might even consider a "Zoo simulator - Animals of Stalingrad" edition :D

 

Seriously though they have 1-2 animation specialists that also work on the Ju 52, mc 202 and other stuff. I don't think time is proper to request horses and other minor visuals atm to let them catch up with content and fixes first.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Brano]

Horses are all eaten.Only few dogs left in villages barking at low flying germans

[Sokol1]

And maybe some

 

 

 

[Y-29.Silky]

Really? Wasn't the best time back than to go out and take your horse for a ride i think

You sure? :D

 

 

 

I'd imagine they were heavily used for supply since they didn't get stuck as easily as tanks/trucks. Hopefully this game is opened to the modding community at some point, then the horses will come.

 

People wander around the airfields and artillery, but they have no DM

Edited January 18, 2015 by Silky

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

And maybe some

 

Yes, there is a serious lack of bunkers and sandbags!

 

Oh, you meant goats didn't you?

 

Ah, I'll take either or both.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Having animals that can be "killed" will raise huge issues with the rating of the game, and create other legal headaches in these politically correct times.

[SvAF/F16_Dark_P]

You really think that?, the hunting game "The Hunter" have a pegi rating of 16, the same as BOS

 

And in BOS we can already shoot a defenseless man in a parachute    

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Having animals that can be "killed" will raise huge issues with the rating of the game, and create other legal headaches in these politically correct times.

Huh? Pita is going to come after us for a video game killing..oh never mind you're right it is a PC world now. 

[Feathered_IV]

The Wehrmacht's horses were all evacuated before the encirclement. One of many things the Germans had cause to regret when hunger set in.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The Wehrmacht's horses were all evacuated before the encirclement. One of many things the Germans had cause to regret when hunger set in.

Interesting. I did not know that.

[Finkeren]

The Wehrmacht's horses were all evacuated before the encirclement. One of many things the Germans had cause to regret when hunger set in.

Never heard that. Sounds strange, why would they do that? It's not like the need to move artillery and supplies around suddenly vanished within the pocket.

[Feathered_IV]

Not sure. It was mentioned a few times in Stalingrad by Anthony Beevor. Perhaps the higher ups thought troops would be bunkering down for winter and did not want the extra burden or possible loss of such a strategic resource.

 

Still plenty of Russian cavalry around though.

Edited January 19, 2015 by Feathered_IV

[Finkeren]

I can kinda see, why you'd evacuate the horses in a situation, where the 6th Army looked to be cut off from their supply lines. Would propably have become imposible to feed them very quickly, but then again: How soon did the Wehrmacht realize, that the encirclement was inevitable? I thought the envelopment took a matter of days, was there really time to round ud the horses and drive them out of the pocket in a special rescue mission?

[Feathered_IV]

I'll have to check, but I think the draft animals were withdrawn over a period of weeks, before the encirclement began. At that time the idea was for the sixth army to simply hold the line. The Germans thought the Russians were almost spent weren't expecting an offensive.

[Sim]

I'll have to check, but I think the draft animals were withdrawn over a period of weeks, before the encirclement began. At that time the idea was for the sixth army to simply hold the line. The Germans thought the Russians were almost spent weren't expecting an offensive.

 

Hmm, I do recall reading somewhere that most of the horses were withdrawn, but can't remember where and what for. What happened next is that during the encirclement days when the 6th Army elements were retreating inside the pocket they had to leave a lot of heavy equipment behind (due to lack of horses).

 

Also a lot of the horses came to the pocket from Romanian army elements and they gave most of them to German troops.

 

I wonder, could it be that since the situation was a stalemate in October/November the Wehrmacht withdrew the horses to the rear for better feeding grounds? Probably unlikely, I am definitely not a horse guru Though would love to hear the story why did this happen.

[Feathered_IV]

Found it:

 

"Hitler issued his own instructions for the winter. He expected 'a
highly active defence' and a 'proud sense of victory'. Tanks were to be
protected from the cold and bombardment in specially built concrete
bunkers, but the necessary materials never arrived, so vehicles stayed
in the open. Sixth Army headquarters also drew up elaborate plans
for the winter. Even a Finnish training film, How to Construct a Sauna
in the Field, was ordered, but none of these preparations carried much
conviction.
Führer headquarters also decided that the majority of Sixth Army's
draught animals should be sent over a hundred miles to the rear. This
would save on the supply trains required to bring forward the huge
quantities of fodder. Altogether some 150,000 horses, as well as a
number of oxen and even camels, had accumulated between the Don
and the Volga. Motor transport and repair units were also moved back.
The reasons behind such a move were understandable from a purely
logistic point of view, but it would prove a serious mistake in a crisis.
The Sixth Army, especially the vast majority of its artillery and medical
units, depended almost entirely on horses for their mobility."

 

Losing 150,000 badly needed draught animals would have been a severe blow if coupled with the massacre of the Luftwaffes transport fleet.

[Finkeren]

Horses? Screw that! We need CAMELS!

Oh, and it makes sense now Feathered. I thought you were saying, that the animals were evacuated, as the Red Army was about to encircle the 6th Army.

[Yakdriver]

And in BOS we can already shoot a defenseless man in a parachute    

 

BS! Double BS!

 

meet my Flare Pistol of The Death!

Green Flares make you dizzy, white make you go blind, red set you on fire.

I am armed to make you diededed! watch out!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Horses? Screw that! We need CAMELS!

I dont need camels but i think the war elephants from lord of the rings might do well fr axis dont you? .

You sure? :D

Oh well, keep the horse than, I take this gun, alright?

 

Yes, horses were an important logistical part on the battlefield. In early war years the Wehrmacht transported more troops and equipment by horses and bycicles than with trucks.

 

They great in such condition, don't need oil and maintanace and last but not least cheap fuel. Still nothing I'm particularily looking ahead to for BoS for the incoming critical development.

Edited January 19, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Feathered_IV]

I dont need camels but i think the war elephants from lord of the rings might do well fr axis dont you?

 

If you're going to do it, might as well go large 

 

[Brano]

There were sevaral RKKA cavalry corps involved in Uranus.Seeing them charging thru snowy steppes would be awsome,for sure

[Uufflakke]

Having animals that can be "killed" will raise huge issues with the rating of the game, and create other legal headaches in these politically correct times.

 

I  dug up an old thread about Ground Units http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/848-resource-collection-ground-units/ and Vanderstok also modelled a dead horse.

Without any blood and gore. Looks quite innocent. Would not cause a lifetime trauma for teenagers.

 

 

 

EDIT: I just discovered his WIP of animated German platoons for ROF. Would also fit in BOS of course.

 

Edited January 19, 2015 by Uufflakke

[Sokol1]

Yes, horses were an important logistical part on the battlefield. In early war years the Wehrmacht transported more troops and equipment by horses and bycicles than with trucks.

 

No only in early war, notice how many horse drawn wagons in Falaise roads:

 

http://img.odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum13/panther_mont_ormel_03.jpg

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I  dug up an old thread about Ground Units http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/848-resource-collection-ground-units/ and Vanderstok also modelled a dead horse.

Without any blood and gore. Looks quite innocent. Would not cause a lifetime trauma for teenagers.

 

 

 

EDIT: I just discovered his WIP of animated German platoons for ROF. Would also fit in BOS of course.

 

Yes, please and the green-ness as well. One note, and it probably doesn't matter much from the air but, their footspeed does not quite match the infantry's body speed. They seem to glide over the ground a bit. Should be pretty easy to fix and maybe re-skin to update the equipment load outs.

[Dakpilot]

Horses and carts could be directly ported from RoF but replaced with a BoS driver

 

 

However we already have some sort of infantry in BoS wandering about, I would have thought it easier to arm them

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Lusekofte]

The biggest problem with moving objects , you can not populate every village with them, it would kill the resources of your pc

[Brano]

Let my PC burn,but I want to see this

 

 

[Dakpilot]

Let my PC burn,but I want to see this

 

 

 

That used to make my PC burn with old IL-2, so many campaign missions  used to turn into a slide show and on a very decent PC for the time

 

Cheers dakpilot

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

If you're going to do it, might as well go large 

 

I haven't unlocked that one yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes a joke..