Looks like the final straw for any flight sim

[Dakpilot]

How many of those founders still  play ?

 

 

Considerably more than are playing DCS WW2

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[t4trouble]

 

 

Considerably more than are playing DCS WW2   Cheers Dakpilot

 

Very true, but its not released yet   

[Dakpilot]

Very true, but its not released yet   

 

Never will be, it was cancelled and rescued/ integrated into DCS world by DCS  there will be a map and some aircraft but DCS WWII as a project does not exist anymore. The hope of DCS WWII was that it was going to be a 'world' dedicated to that era, DCS will continue to be a predominately Jet combat sim, which it is great at, and as a WWII study sim which it is also great at, to become a WWII combat flight sim with different theatres, historically matching Aircraft and ground units will take longer than my lifetime

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[t4trouble]

 

 

Never will be, it was cancelled and rescued/ integrated into DCS world by DCS  there will be a map and some aircraft but DCS WWII as a project does not exist anymore. The hope of DCS WWII was that it was going to be a 'world' dedicated to that era, DCS will continue to be a predominately Jet combat sim, which it is great at, and as a WWII study sim which it is also great at, to become a WWII combat flight sim with different theatres, historically matching Aircraft and ground units will take longer than my lifetime   Cheers Dakpilot

 

I can't find where it said it was cancelled but taken over by ED, but here is quote from wags on the issue regarding DCS ww11

 

 

 

The exception will be the circumstances which led to this change in product management and development

 

 

 

Our ultimate goal is to create a unique battlefield environment within DCS World that is specifically tailored to Second World War air combat. This is a combination of the period aircraft, maps, navigation, communications, and objects that creates a total experience. DCS World is designed to encompass multiple time periods and locations, and we see this as a keystone endeavor for just one slice of DCS World.

 

Adding authenticate ground units for the time don't seem to be an issue there either.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=134095

[nirvi]

I can't find where it said it was cancelled but taken over by ED, but here is quote from wags on the issue regarding DCS ww11

 

 

 

Here's the thread with the announcement:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=125454

 

Btw: A new video was released showing the new graphics engine EDGE:

 

The normandy and all coming maps will also be based on this engine

Edited January 21, 2015 by nirvi

[t4trouble]

 

 

Here's the thread with the announcement:

 

Sorry but i still can't see where it said it was canceled ?

[Rolling_Thunder]

Never will be, it was cancelled and rescued/ integrated into DCS world by DCS  there will be a map and some aircraft but DCS WWII as a project does not exist anymore. The hope of DCS WWII was that it was going to be a 'world' dedicated to that era, DCS will continue to be a predominately Jet combat sim, which it is great at, and as a WWII study sim which it is also great at, to become a WWII combat flight sim with different theatres, historically matching Aircraft and ground units will take longer than my lifetime

 

Cheers Dakpilot

It wasn't cancelled. Eagle Dynamics conned the backers out of their rewards. They fired their partner and face of the project, ilya, took sole ownership of the project and all assets, paid for by the backers, and told the backers that the rewards were not financially viable. This is from the company who 2 weeks later sells one of the aircraft, the FW for $14.99. Not financially viable pfft. Those guys have military contracts. They are not a poor company. They are liars and conmen.

[II./JG27_Rich]

BOS is nice but I still like you know what better.

[Chuck_Owl]

It wasn't cancelled. Eagle Dynamics conned the backers out of their rewards. They fired their partner and face of the project, ilya, took sole ownership of the project and all assets, paid for by the backers, and told the backers that the rewards were not financially viable. This is from the company who 2 weeks later sells one of the aircraft, the FW for $14.99. Not financially viable pfft. Those guys have military contracts. They are not a poor company. They are liars and conmen.

 

You know absolutely nothing of what went on behind the scenes. These accusations of fraud are just ridiculous.

 

And by the way, the FW190 was not sold 15 $ after 2 weeks; that is just a plain lie. What you are referring to is the special sale incident for the Mi-8 about 3 weeks after its release, and ED publicly apologized for it. The FW190 was discounted during one of the 5 or 6 special sales ED holds during the year for a very limited time. The 109, for instance, was reduced by 40 % after 2 months for the new year's sale; that's a fair treatment IMHO. These sales are nothing new: 777 has sales too and even Steam holds sales every week. I really don't see what you're complaining about.

[Rolling_Thunder]

You know absolutely nothing of what went on behind the scenes. These accusations of fraud are just ridiculous.

 

And by the way, the FW190 was not sold 15 $ after 2 weeks; that is just a plain lie. What you are referring to is the special sale incident for the Mi-8 about 3 weeks after its release, and ED publicly apologized for it. The FW190 was discounted during one of the 5 or 6 special sales ED holds during the year for a very limited time. The 109, for instance, was reduced by 40 % after 2 months for the new year's sale; that's a fair treatment IMHO. These sales are nothing new: 777 has sales too and even Steam holds sales every week. I really don't see what you're complaining about.

Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes. The way the backers were treated is ridiculous.

777 didn't have a kickstarter where rewards were promised then never delivered. eagle dynamics in partnership with rrg had a kickstarter, eagle dynamics fired ilya, took over full control and cut the rewards to the backers telling us backers that it was not financially viable. The Dora was on sale in September 2014 for $14.99. When was the Dora released? August 2014. Ok not 2 weeks but 4 weeks. 777 can have as many sales as they like. I got exactly what I paid for from 777. That is not the case with eagle dynamics. I could pick up every one of the dcs aircraft in a sale for a tiny fraction of what I backed the kickstarter with. I was lied to and cheated

I'm complaining because I and all the other backers were lied to. I would of rather had a refund but I wasn't given the choice. It was a case of take what you're given. Which was a whole lot less than I bought into.

[Chuck_Owl]

Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes. The way the backers were treated is ridiculous.

777 didn't have a kickstarter where rewards were promised then never delivered. eagle dynamics in partnership with rrg had a kickstarter, eagle dynamics fired ilya, took over full control and cut the rewards to the backers telling us backers that it was not financially viable. The Dora was on sale in September 2014 for $14.99. When was the Dora released? August 2014. Ok not 2 weeks but 4 weeks. 777 can have as many sales as they like. I got exactly what I paid for from 777. That is not the case with eagle dynamics. I could pick up every one of the dcs aircraft in a sale for a tiny fraction of what I backed the kickstarter with. I was lied to and cheated

I'm complaining because I and all the other backers were lied to. I would of rather had a refund but I wasn't given the choice. It was a case of take what you're given. Which was a whole lot less than I bought into.

 

ED did what they could given the circumstances, which we know nothing about. You seem to think that the whole thing was premeditated and that they WANTED all that sh*tstorm to happen. I mean... really? They had the choice to either scrap the project completely or pick up the pieces and re-do pretty much everything from scratch and try to make it viable. That's what happens when you pick a partner: you share the risk. Bad luck happens, and when it happens you try to find a solution that will try to suit everyone. Honestly, I'm pleased with what I got and I haven't seen much complaining apart from a (very) vocal few like yourself. You can't reasonably expect ED to sell you all aircraft (that amount to a value of about 6 x 50 bucks, so about 300 $) for 40 bucks in a development cycle of 1 year. I mean, come on... You seem to think that the 150,000$ received from the kickstarter funded the WHOLE bloody thing. It didn't. Wags himself stated that the flight model alone for ONE aircraft costs about 120,000 $. That does not include the 3D model, the code for the systems, for ballistics, for everything else. I was a backer as well as you and I don't feel robbed at all. 

 

And if you still feel like you're being nailed to a cross, well I can't help you with that. Big deal.

 

I picked up all RoF modules for a ridiculously small sum during a sale (I bought during a sale AND I bought modules together so the discounts stacked to an unholy amount of bucks). You can do the same bloody thing with the DCS modules. There's no difference at all. ED's happen on a slightly more frequent basis, but who in their right mind would complain about that? We ALL know about the sales, and we ALL know that discounts come to those who wait a little bit. Hell, look at the number of games released on Steam that start at 60 bucks and end up being sold at 20 bucks 3 months later. It's definitely not unheard of.

 

I hate to sound like a white knight jumping to the defence of ED. They might not always be right on the money with some of their choices, but I can't in good conscience hold the kickstarter against them.

 

#rantover

Edited January 22, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[SharpeXB]

I backed DCS WWII on kickstarter as well. Hey there's a risk in any investment like that. To me it was worth the effort and to show my support for the genre. Certainly I suspected their financial plan did not add up. For my $40 I was supposed to get all the flyable planes which amounts to about $300. As it was ED still gave me 2 planes which is still a great value. I hope to see that project succeed.

[Brano]

Question is,why someone thought (no naming) that if he collects 150k dollars in kickstarter,he can call it a day.When just FM for Kurfurst cost 120k.

[Sternjaeger]

I'll throw it there... maybe because the Russian front was a bit dull? And not the battles as such, but the scenery.. IL-2 BOS is just the first chapter, things will improve with time, I'm sure.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I really don't get where everyone gets the "6x50 bucks" from. Good old ED saved the day BS. Chuck said himself they have numerous sales every year. You can pick up each aircraft for 15 bucks. That's $90 for the 6 not 300.

The not financially viable line is kinda thin when they have sales every month. They have military contracts ffs.

Y'all need to re-read the kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944

 

The project is a joint venture between RRG Studios and Eagle Dynamics.

 

The money being raised is only a portion of the development budget. The majority of the programming, some aircraft art, and more, are the costs that the team is funding internally.

 

They didn't save the day as they like to let us all think. If it wasnt financially viable why set the rewards the way they did? Why take full control of a project that wasn't financially viable.

 

I kicked in for the other stuff, SDK etc, I'm not that interested in the German aircraft. All I'm getting is the aircraft a map and a DCS developed product, whenever that may be released. I wanted a refund I was told no. Not negotiable. That's my gripe.

Oh the reason there isn't much complaining is because most folk are banned from their forums, not for a week or Two but for ever.

[SharpeXB]

I really don't get where everyone gets the "6x50 bucks" from. Good old ED saved the day BS. Chuck said himself they have numerous sales every year. You can pick up each aircraft for 15 bucks. That's $90 for the 6 not 300.

The not financially viable line is kinda thin when they have sales every month. They have military contracts ffs.

Y'all need to re-read the kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944

 

The project is a joint venture between RRG Studios and Eagle Dynamics.

 

The money being raised is only a portion of the development budget. The majority of the programming, some aircraft art, and more, are the costs that the team is funding internally.

 

They didn't save the day as they like to let us all think. If it wasnt financially viable why set the rewards the way they did? Why take full control of a project that wasn't financially viable.

 

I kicked in for the other stuff, SDK etc, I'm not that interested in the German aircraft. All I'm getting is the aircraft a map and a DCS developed product, whenever that may be released. I wanted a refund I was told no. Not negotiable. That's my gripe.

Oh the reason there isn't much complaining is because most folk are banned from their forums, not for a week or Two but for ever.

Ive read ED say their commercial projects are financially separate from the military ones. Ie A-10C has to stand on its own. It's not subsidized.

 

As for getting banned. Who's fault is that? Read the forum rules.

[SharpeXB]

Point is that 14191 Founders in BoS is more then 2553 in DCS:WW2 Kickstarter.Nothing less,nothing more.Just facts and datas.

That's quite telling really. Only 2500 backers? And all you really had to put down was $10. The BoS buyers in some cases paid $99

Perhaps it was a sign of the lack of confidence in that group after all that went on with CoD

 

Hey I still put my $49 down on CoD even though I knew it was in trouble. Complaining wasn't going to help fix it. If you want to help this genre vote with your pocketbook.

Edited January 22, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Bearcat]

Point is that 14191 Founders in BoS is more then 2553 in DCS:WW2 Kickstarter.Nothing less,nothing more.Just facts and datas.

 

How many of those founders still  play ?

 

... and for those that do not... why... that is the telling indicator of what needs to transpire moving forward with BoS.

 

It wasn't cancelled. Eagle Dynamics conned the backers out of their rewards. They fired their partner and face of the project, ilya, took sole ownership of the project and all assets, paid for by the backers, and told the backers that the rewards were not financially viable. This is from the company who 2 weeks later sells one of the aircraft, the FW for $14.99. Not financially viable pfft. Those guys have military contracts. They are not a poor company. They are liars and conmen.

 

That is just flat out incorrect. I wasn't conned. The rewards are just not completed yet.

 

You know absolutely nothing of what went on behind the scenes. These accusations of fraud are just ridiculous.

 

And by the way, the FW190 was not sold 15 $ after 2 weeks; that is just a plain lie. What you are referring to is the special sale incident for the Mi-8 about 3 weeks after its release, and ED publicly apologized for it. The FW190 was discounted during one of the 5 or 6 special sales ED holds during the year for a very limited time. The 109, for instance, was reduced by 40 % after 2 months for the new year's sale; that's a fair treatment IMHO. These sales are nothing new: 777 has sales too and even Steam holds sales every week. I really don't see what you're complaining about.

 

This.

 

Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes. The way the backers were treated is ridiculous.

777 didn't have a kickstarter where rewards were promised then never delivered. eagle dynamics in partnership with rrg had a kickstarter, eagle dynamics fired ilya, took over full control and cut the rewards to the backers telling us backers that it was not financially viable. The Dora was on sale in September 2014 for $14.99. When was the Dora released? August 2014. Ok not 2 weeks but 4 weeks. 777 can have as many sales as they like. I got exactly what I paid for from 777. That is not the case with eagle dynamics. I could pick up every one of the dcs aircraft in a sale for a tiny fraction of what I backed the kickstarter with. I was lied to and cheated

I'm complaining because I and all the other backers were lied to. I would of rather had a refund but I wasn't given the choice. It was a case of take what you're given. Which was a whole lot less than I bought into.

 

I knew who I was dealing with .. so I limited my investment to less than I spent on BoS.

 

ED did what they could given the circumstances, which we know nothing about. You seem to think that the whole thing was premeditated and that they WANTED all that sh*tstorm to happen. I mean... really? They had the choice to either scrap the project completely or pick up the pieces and re-do pretty much everything from scratch and try to make it viable. That's what happens when you pick a partner: you share the risk. Bad luck happens, and when it happens you try to find a solution that will try to suit everyone. Honestly, I'm pleased with what I got and I haven't seen much complaining apart from a (very) vocal few like yourself. You can't reasonably expect ED to sell you all aircraft (that amount to a value of about 6 x 50 bucks, so about 300 $) for 40 bucks in a development cycle of 1 year. I mean, come on... You seem to think that the 150,000$ received from the kickstarter funded the WHOLE bloody thing. It didn't. Wags himself stated that the flight model alone for ONE aircraft costs about 120,000 $. That does not include the 3D model, the code for the systems, for ballistics, for everything else. I was a backer as well as you and I don't feel robbed at all. 

 

And if you still feel like you're being nailed to a cross, well I can't help you with that. Big deal.

 

I picked up all RoF modules for a ridiculously small sum during a sale (I bought during a sale AND I bought modules together so the discounts stacked to an unholy amount of bucks). You can do the same bloody thing with the DCS modules. There's no difference at all. ED's happen on a slightly more frequent basis, but who in their right mind would complain about that? We ALL know about the sales, and we ALL know that discounts come to those who wait a little bit. Hell, look at the number of games released on Steam that start at 60 bucks and end up being sold at 20 bucks 3 months later. It's definitely not unheard of.

 

I hate to sound like a white knight jumping to the defence of ED. They might not always be right on the money with some of their choices, but I can't in good conscience hold the kickstarter against them.

 

#rantover

 

It was not their fault.. and as you said had it not been for hem picking up the ball we all would have been S.O.L.

 

I really don't get where everyone gets the "6x50 bucks" from. Good old ED saved the day BS. Chuck said himself they have numerous sales every year. You can pick up each aircraft for 15 bucks. That's $90 for the 6 not 300.

The not financially viable line is kinda thin when they have sales every month. They have military contracts ffs.

Y'all need to re-read the kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944

 

The project is a joint venture between RRG Studios and Eagle Dynamics.

 

The money being raised is only a portion of the development budget. The majority of the programming, some aircraft art, and more, are the costs that the team is funding internally.

 

They didn't save the day as they like to let us all think. If it wasnt financially viable why set the rewards the way they did? Why take full control of a project that wasn't financially viable.

 

I kicked in for the other stuff, SDK etc, I'm not that interested in the German aircraft. All I'm getting is the aircraft a map and a DCS developed product, whenever that may be released. I wanted a refund I was told no. Not negotiable. That's my gripe.

Oh the reason there isn't much complaining is because most folk are banned from their forums, not for a week or Two but for ever.

 

For my $85 I got the 190 and the 109 when they came out (and mind you neither was available when the KS started or tanked..)  I will have the Spit and the P-47 plus the WWII map when they are available. Just because it is not here yet doesn't mean it won't be. I knew something was up when the rewards started shifting.. For me as long as I get the two AC I mentioned and the WWII map when it is done I will be happy. When I signed up I was never promised a T shirt .. and as long as I can DL whatever manual that ED supplies I will be happy. Anyone who spent over $100 on this given the person behind it and that person's track record was not being wise in the first place. It could arguably be said that anyone who spent anything on this was not being wise... but I have no doubt at this point that I will get what I was expecting.

[ST_ami7b5]

I have Dora and Mustang, waiting for the map and Kurfurst sale

[Rolling_Thunder]

I honestly don't get the flight sim "community". The whole "I'm all right Jack" mentality is mind blowing. No wonder it's a niche market.

Y'all are quite happy to bend over and let ED insert what they like as long as you get to fly your aircraft. Folk were so scared that ED were going to cancel the project they were happy to accept anything. Never mind the poor folk that are not happy with what transpired. F@$# them right? If you don't feel cheated good for you, some folk do. That is not flat out incorrect.

And saying ED picked up the ball and ran with it, is not correct. They had the ball all along I really don't understand how folk seem to think it was all ilya. RRG were in partnership with ED. Why are some folk so blinkered that they won't or cannot see that?

That's all I'm saying on the subject

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I honestly don't get the flight sim "community". The whole "I'm all right Jack" mentality is mind blowing. No wonder it's a niche market.

Y'all are quite happy to bend over and let ED insert what they like as long as you get to fly your aircraft. Folk were so scared that ED were going to cancel the project they were happy to accept anything. Never mind the poor folk that are not happy with what transpired. F@$# them right? If you don't feel cheated good for you, some folk do. That is not flat out incorrect.

And saying ED picked up the ball and ran with it, is not correct. They had the ball all along I really don't understand how folk seem to think it was all ilya. RRG were in partnership with ED. Why are some folk so blinkered that they won't or cannot see that?

That's all I'm saying on the subject

 

So you must understand how some of us feel about BOS than, right?

[johncage]

I honestly don't get the flight sim "community". The whole "I'm all right Jack" mentality is mind blowing. No wonder it's a niche market.

Y'all are quite happy to bend over and let ED insert what they like as long as you get to fly your aircraft. Folk were so scared that ED were going to cancel the project they were happy to accept anything. Never mind the poor folk that are not happy with what transpired. F@$# them right? If you don't feel cheated good for you, some folk do. That is not flat out incorrect.

And saying ED picked up the ball and ran with it, is not correct. They had the ball all along I really don't understand how folk seem to think it was all ilya. RRG were in partnership with ED. Why are some folk so blinkered that they won't or cannot see that?

That's all I'm saying on the subject

cue strong denial forces and head in the sand tactics followed by a mountain load of defensiveness.

 

the harsh, ugly truth. only those with strong constitutions can stomach this!

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

cue strong denial forces and head in the sand tactics followed by a mountain load of defensiveness.

 

the harsh, ugly truth. only those with strong constitutions can stomach this!

Irony on display here is painful.

[johncage]

no, you're right. ed can do not wrong. obey and don't question. you need to disguise your blind bias better. the name's a dead giveaway.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

no, you're right. ed can do not wrong. obey and don't question. you need to disguise your blind bias better. the name's a dead giveaway.

 

Well, it's not like he's wrong...

[LizLemon]

the name's a dead giveaway.

ED created the Mig-21?

 

Is kurfurst an ed shill too?

[teufeldritch]

Ask anyone "hey dude would you like to read a 200-pages-long manual to fly a plane?" and see what their answer is. Some people might appreciate the simplicity of starting an aircraft after a single button push... but personally I need more than that to keep me entertained.

 

I miss the days of old when a entire forest was chopped down in order to produce one flight sim manual . One of my joys of simming was reading the technical information filled manuals. Nowadays it's just a pdf file with some basic flight manuevers & hud information.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Ive read ED say their commercial projects are financially separate from the military ones. Ie A-10C has to stand on its own. It's not subsidized.

As for getting banned. Who's fault is that? Read the forum rules.

 

I got banned for saying RRG deserved some credit for the 109 while everyone was patting ED on the back.

 

 

That's quite telling really. Only 2500 backers? And all you really had to put down was $10. The BoS buyers in some cases paid $99

Perhaps it was a sign of the lack of confidence in that group after all that went on with CoD

Hey I still put my $49 down on CoD even though I knew it was in trouble. Complaining wasn't going to help fix it. If you want to help this genre vote with your pocketbook.

 

If you want to help the genre stand by the community not the developers. Like I said earlier folk are so busy climbing over each other to get the aircraft and any BS bone that's tossed on the floor by the developers.

 

So you must understand how some of us feel about BOS than, right?

  

Of course I understand. There's an institutionalized selfishness in the community that really needs to be addressed if this genre is ever going to grow and that is up to the community.

 

no, you're right. ed can do not wrong. obey and don't question. you need to disguise your blind bias better. the name's a dead giveaway.

I suggest you open the dictionary. Mig was talking about your blind bias towards BoS. It is ironic you see the unhappiness of some DCS backers but not the BoS backers

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

no, you're right. ed can do not wrong. obey and don't question. you need to disguise your blind bias better. the name's a dead giveaway.

Sadly for your strawman, I lack bias on this subject as I'm a consumer and nothing more. Though, you're completely prone to asserting your own feeling as fact.

 

If you poke around the Leatherneck Studios forum (Who developed MiG-21, not ED just to remind you since you can't seem to differ between the two) you'll find that I was one of the most vocal of critics of LNS and ED during the delays prior to MiG's release. ED's inability to even ballpark release dates with any sort of accuracy has been a topic I've touched on many, many times. I've also commented many times on how utterly implausible VEAO's release list is. As in I'd be greatly surprised if they actually get anything on it released.

 

I've also used the designation of MiG-21bis as my screen name for quite some time, now. Long before the module was announced.

 

BoS has a small legion of users that are willing to kneejerk too and decry any form of criticism with a plethora of specious arguments. I do hope you aren't one of these individuals since it's a pretty fun game being held back by some outlandishly idiotic design choices. It doesn't need help staying broken, after all.

 

Though, I thank you for at least not using the usual standby accusation of having a bias to CloD.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

BoS has a small legion of users that are willing to kneejerk too and decry any form of criticism with a plethora of specious arguments.

 

-snip-

 

Though, I thank you for at least not using the usual standby accusation of having a bias to CloD.

 

+1

 

[Nankeen]

On a simple analysis of the figures it seems clear that the next BoS update should include a goat. Or several.

 Ahh Sallee, you have a great sense of humour.

 

On another note: FMB and DServer, Yes Please..

[Guest deleted@1562]

I miss the days of old when a entire forest was chopped down in order to produce one flight sim manual . One of my joys of simming was reading the technical information filled manuals. Nowadays it's just a pdf file with some basic flight manuevers & hud information.

 

Buy some DCS modules, if you want comprehensive manuals. >600 pages for the A-10C - even the manuals for the WW2 fighters amount to ~180 pages each. Sadly only as PDF, but still.

Edited January 28, 2015 by tintifaxl

[unreasonable]

On a simple analysis of the figures it seems clear that the next BoS update should include a goat. Or several.

 

I am sure one of the talented modders could provide us with a goat-skin? Maybe Oskar-Heinz Baaa?

[Mikey]

I am sure one of the talented modders could provide us with a goat-skin? Maybe Oskar-Heinz Baaa?

I think that will be my first downloaded skin when the time comes

[Lusekofte]

Interesting. Illuminati has taken over the combat flight simulator market. Admit it, disliking BOS got proportions grater than dislike. Those who dislike it discuss bos more than those who actually plays it.

And what if someone do not like it, do we need to attack the sim that person like?

I own all sims there is, I fly all of them very little, I personally do not know any of any games developers. But I am sure they want their product as good as they can.

You know I remember what happened in good old Oleg, Luthier days in cod too, and kickstarter in DCS ooooh do not get me started, and here. None of these fine developers will ever never win a reward for communication vs its customer. If a book was written about this and the rest, it would be about how not to do it. And that goes for everybody.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Because some had different expactations and bought the game because of its initial promises. They feel cheated and dislike the overall development so they speak up or leave silently.

 

Not everybody speaking up totally dislikes BoS in its core, some are just critiqs who want others to take notice of certain issues and flaws in BoS.

 

I still enjoy it and have fun flying MP, however I generally call the campaign garbadge and am disappointed no major FM reworck has been done yet (also promised in alpha).

 

BoS truely has potential and could take advantage of being the only solid WW2 sim on the modern market but it has too many handicaps to acchieve that.

 

Now Im waiting for some changes to arrive. I still fly regularily but not with the great anticipation I started with.

 

As for me FMs are on top of the list.

[Brano]

Not everybody speaking up totally dislikes BoS in its core, some are just critiqs who want others to take notice of certain issues and flaws in BoS.

If one is repeating same agenda over and over in all possible threads,it becomes boring and sometimes even annoying.Whether one's right or not.

[Lusekofte]

I still enjoy it and have fun flying MP, however I generally call the campaign garbadge and am disappointed no major FM reworck has been done yet (also promised in alpha).

 

I agree, FM and DM is the the things to focus on, those is the ones we have to live with.

 

BUT   FM is something no one will agree upon, in general people have read something about a planes performance and think this will be the case in all altitudes speeds, weather, fuel quality  and other conditions like experience.

No one knows exactly how and what.

I bet my game on one fact, if you get the FM the way you want it 80% want it different

I think the author is correct, BOS is a very good beginners sim, this is what the developers had in mind. They knew the community, divided as it is , would not gather on this sim. They needed new players in.

COD players in general, disliked it bouncy and nonlinear behavior , they are used to a lifeless non weather influential environment . ( I know many disagree) You can not sit fingertip maneuvering your planes in BOS at the same degree as in COD. 

The DM in this game is a joke compared to COD, if this was Facebook it would have 100% dislike on that part. 

None of these cfs are bad, it is a myth made by people feeling betrayed . BOS is a very good sim, and in my mind perfect for todays selection of games. It cannot be compared against each other. They are simply too different. BOS will bring new flyers to the genre, and COD depends on new flyers. There are just too few recruited directly into COD, and too many leaving. Those learning to like BOS will eventually give COD a go, and they will love it. It demand a greater awareness on engine management, it got in general a denser population of serious simmer, and like here a very good atmosphere among the players.

It got something we lack here, a big number of the players use Teamspeak. I just cannot understand why those loud opponents of BOS , why after all these month can´t they just leave it? Why just not ignore it?

Why constantly telling people liking this game for what it is they are morons. No living cfs ww2 is perfect, they got huge limitations all of them, just in different places

Edited January 28, 2015 by LG1.Jaeger

[LizLemon]

People complain not because they hate the game, but because they want to see it improve. Outside of a few "trolls" that is.

 

The argument that people should just stop complaining was used when the 190 bar issue reared its ugly head. People didn't stop despite some pleading that it was fine/permanent/useless to "whine". But what do you know? The bar was revised and most people were satisfied.

 

Now we have a dev post indicating that something might be done about unlocks.

 

 

When you see no more complaints being posted that is when you know that thia game is dead. Until then see the complaints for what it (mostly) is: people caring about the game enough to voice their opinion on it.

[Jaws2002]

It's not the flight sim genere sinking. It's this game. At this point, both, DCS and the abandoned CLOD are more popular than BOS and it's mostly because of the developers.

 

http://steamcharts.com/cmp/63950,307960,223750#3m

 

The online it's a ghost town.