How Do I Bring the LaGG-3 to Full Stop? With NO G-Loop?

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1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Took me 3 years getting accustom to the HE 111. It felt like a helium baloon in the start

 

Haha, some time ago I was trying to do a transport run in a He111, and I took a tiny amount of fuel. It was near the end of the mission and I kid you not, I couldn't actually land the thing it floated so much, round and round I went about 10 times, each time I slowed to touch down I floated up, I just thought sod it in the end and threw it into the ground. This was a long time ago, maybe things have changed now.

 

(I have concerns over the acrobatic ability of the A20 too, considering the official guidance footage I saw said to avoid step turns, yet you can barrel roll along happily throwing it around everywhere in the sim currently.)

 

 

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Thanks Shamrock15,

good description of you, and good videos, have not seen them before. I remember Requiem's excellent videos from RoF, though i did not need them there.. Will try better landings this evening!

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2 hours ago, John_Yossarian said:

turns, yet you can barrel roll along happily throwing it around everywhere in the sim currently.)

I have been thinking a lot on the A20. I would say we lack a realistic environment for it. If they tune down something it will be wrong the other way. 
I know what training video you refer to, what said in this is mostly to avoid cadets lawndart   It was for a while nightfighter in the Pacific, until Black widow arrived. Not quite up for the task but yet functioning.
I find it a bit too fighterish and yet very stable. Compared to P 38 it is a bit lazy but not too far apart in maneuverability and that is wrong  

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2 hours ago, John_Yossarian said:

(I have concerns over the acrobatic ability of the A20 too, considering the official guidance footage I saw said to avoid step turns, yet you can barrel roll along happily throwing it around everywhere in the sim currently.)

I remember someone quoting a memory of a russian pilot flying victory rolls in his A-20 on regular basis until one time when it ended up badly.

 

The question here is not what you expect the aircrfat to do based on what it is supposed to do, but hy it should not do what you don't expect it to do.

 

If it does have enought roll ratio, lift force, elevator authority, engine power and G tolerance to perform a barrel roll - why should it not be able to do it?

 

As an example of "unbelievable flight chracteristics" this video demonstrates a Boeing 707 performing a nice barrel roll. Not what you would expect your 117 t passenger hauler to do.

 

Point is just because it is out of norm to barrel roll an A-20 (which is understandable since real pilots flew for survival unlike sim pilots) it doesn't mean it is physicly impossible.

 

2 hours ago, John_Yossarian said:

Haha, some time ago I was trying to do a transport run in a He111, and I took a tiny amount of fuel. It was near the end of the mission and I kid you not, I couldn't actually land the thing it floated so much, round and round I went about 10 times, each time I slowed to touch down I floated up, I just thought sod it in the end and threw it into the ground. This was a long time ago, maybe things have changed now.

 

Most of the time I see people struggling with the Heinkel they come in too fast and used flawed approach methods coming in too high and deploying flaps too soon.  These aircraft were design to fly at minimal speeds to operate from tiny poor grass fields. Thats why it has a landing speed of just 160 km/h. Using the correct procedures the aircraft behaves normally as it should according to the pilot's manual.

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4 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I have been thinking a lot on the A20. I would say we lack a realistic environment for it. If they tune down something it will be wrong the other way. 
I know what training video you refer to, what said in this is mostly to avoid cadets lawndart   It was for a while nightfighter in the Pacific, until Black widow arrived. Not quite up for the task but yet functioning.
I find it a bit too fighterish and yet very stable. Compared to P 38 it is a bit lazy but not too far apart in maneuverability and that is wrong  

 

Yes, I'm not really expecting/asking for any changes, I should make it clear I don't have the real knowledge in any shape or form and don't lose any sleep over flight models but just kind of wish some aricraft were a bit more 'difficult' to fly just for entertainments sake.

 

Your post just reminded me of the amusement I had trying to put the He111 down that one time and then made me also think of the bonkers things I've done in the A20 when the swarms of blue fighters online are chasing me and I gave up on my intention to fly 'properly'.

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, 6./ZG26_5tuka said:

Point is just because it is out of norm to barrel roll an A-20 (which is understandable since real pilots flew for survival unlike sim pilots) it doesn't mean it is physicly impossible.

 

 

I wasn't saying doing 'one' is impossible, it was the amount and agressive nature of what I was seemingly able to do when I tried that was odd.

 

But yes I get the idea that 'wasn't built for, and is not permitted' doesn't mean 'not possible'. (Tell that to the P40's engine)

Edited July 13, 2020 by deleted@210880