What are the things that get you mad in a flight sim?

[II./JG27_Rich]

The people that have that "let me tell you about all my problems" chip in there brain that goes into overdrive when they have a few drinks 

[VeryOldMan]

People entering a server, then demanding their favorite plane, even if it does not fit the time period, or location.

 

It used to happen all the time in IL2 when I would host BltizPig missions.

 

And they always were FW 190 guys, always.

 

 

Because there is nothing else worth to fly in all WW2... after the Würger... everything else feels like a WW1 bird

[BlitzPig_EL]

It's these opinions that have made flight simulation a small, and generally unpopular genre.

 

A very vocal minority drives the narritive on discussion forums and bullies developers into making what a small number think is important, which in turn drives off a great 

many current and potential players.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

It's these opinions that have made flight simulation a small, and generally unpopular genre.

 

A very vocal minority drives the narritive on discussion forums and bullies developers into making what a small number think is important, which in turn drives off a great 

many current and potential players.

Agree on that, reguardless of which flight sim that has ever been made the same handfull of aircraft have been wished for

very loudly, and the rest gets the crumbs. Makes you wonder why people think that by presenting mainstream over and over again, that new

people should take interest?

Edited September 26, 2013 by Lord_Haw-Haw

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

I can stand idiots on TS or forums as they can be muted or ignored. What I do not stand in flight sims are the stupid errors inherited from one to another sim. This means certain things are done in a way even there is data or info of the opposite. Sloppy QA, arrogant devs also make me vote with wallet. So far the number of flight sims that actually have delivered can be counted in one hand fingers, seems BoS will enter this exclusive club as well

[VeryOldMan]

It's these opinions that have made flight simulation a small, and generally unpopular genre.

 

A very vocal minority drives the narritive on discussion forums and bullies developers into making what a small number think is important, which in turn drives off a great 

many current and potential players.

 

Nope.. what makes  flight sim a small community is the fixation for  historical realism. The absolute majority of market does not even know  very well where WW2 was, and cannot  stand to "these creepy people" that try to recreate everything in minimal details. THat is how the majority of the market see us flight simmers.

 

 

The more strict you are, the less likely you are to have friends.... same thing happens when you develop a product.

[Matt]

People entering a server, then demanding their favorite plane, even if it does not fit the time period, or location.

 

It used to happen all the time in IL2 when I would host BltizPig missions.

 

And they always were FW 190 guys, always.

Welcome to BoS.

 

Pretty sure that will happen regularly as soon as the 190 gets released.

[Mac_Messer]

A very vocal minority drives the narritive on discussion forums and bullies developers into making what a small number think is important, which in turn drives off a great 

many current and potential players.

Fully agreed. Even if it is perfectly understandable from a single person pov, it is counterproductive.

[Flanker15]

When the mission scripting breaks and you can't finish the mission or just inflexable/unstable scripting in general.

[The-Mysteron]

These are the only flight sims i play so here goes

 

Bouncing a Spitfire in CLOD, hitting it with stacks of 20mm so its wings are like swiss cheese and then watching in amazement as it

happily performs stunt turns and aerobatic twists in the sky and proceeds to go on and shoot one of my mates or me down. Gotta love that 

Supermarine Sturmovik  . Or me, colliding with or someone else colliding into me in ROF , i know it happens but bloody hell it

really annoys me. If its my fault i always apologise and think how pissed off i would be if that just happened to me .

Edited September 27, 2013 by 5./JG27Meyer

[VeryOldMan]

It's these opinions that have made flight simulation a small, and generally unpopular genre.

 

A very vocal minority drives the narritive on discussion forums and bullies developers into making what a small number think is important, which in turn drives off a great 

many current and potential players.

 

There is a reason why "communication rules the world IF you are not vocal you cannot expect to be heard. Its OBVIOUS that ANYwhere in human society the  vocal minority will be heard, while the  silent  rest will not. Want to be heard? SPEAK UP!!! No one can blame  any part for not listening someoen that is not  speaking...

[The-Mysteron]

There is also a reason why a lot of people dont speak up on forums unfortunatly , and that is becasue they get jumped upon when they dare to say or suggest something about FM ,DM, Online wars or any thing that certain individuals disagree with or dont like. It hasnt happened in this forum yet or if it has i have missed it . I have seen it time and time again on other forums for the 2 flight sims i play where someone has mentioned something out of curiosity or asks a simple question about why a plane can or cannot do a certain thing or dares to mention that he thinks that something may be wrong in the FM of 2 opposing machines and they get absolutly slaughtered for posting their query/problem . Its mainly the same names who

stick the boot in they know who they are and god knows what sort of satisfaction they get in publicly humiliating some one on a gaming forum.

They should instead come up with some constructive answers to the questions or points raised instead of crucifying people. Just my take on why i think a lot of folks dont or rarely post, a lot "Want to be heard" but dont want the Bollocks that can come with it

[6S.Manu]

There is also a reason why a lot of people dont speak up on forums unfortunatly , and that is becasue they get jumped upon when they dare to say or suggest something about FM ,DM, Online wars or any thing that certain individuals disagree with or dont like. It hasnt happened in this forum yet or if it has i have missed it . I have seen it time and time again on other forums for the 2 flight sims i play where someone has mentioned something out of curiosity or asks a simple question about why a plane can or cannot do a certain thing or dares to mention that he thinks that something may be wrong in the FM of 2 opposing machines and they get absolutly slaughtered for posting their query/problem . Its mainly the same names who

stick the boot in they know who they are and god knows what sort of satisfaction they get in publicly humiliating some one on a gaming forum.

They should instead come up with some constructive answers to the questions or points raised instead of crucifying people. Just my take on why i think a lot of folks dont or rarely post, a lot "Want to be heard" but dont want the Bollocks that can come with it

 

This is true in every message board. It's the Internet. 

[The-Mysteron]

 

This is true in every message board. It's the Internet. 

 

Yes ,but my point is... people dont have to be complete twats on it, common manners is all thats needed or is that beyond some people

Edited September 27, 2013 by 5./JG27Meyer

[VeryOldMan]

Yet, it just reinforces my point. Peopel that have the hard skin to  nto get burned and expose their ideas have some chance of being heard.. the ones silent.. will NEVER be heard... because there is nothing to be heard.

 

 

So no one can complain about  only the vocal minority  get their interest listened to,  want to be listen...  you need to speak up.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Yet, it just reinforces my point. Peopel that have the hard skin to  nto get burned and expose their ideas have some chance of being heard.. the ones silent.. will NEVER be heard... because there is nothing to be heard.

 

 

So no one can complain about  only the vocal minority  get their interest listened to,  want to be listen...  you need to speak up.

Then I guess deciding with your feet, or better said with your wallet, is then something new to you?

On a lot of things I keep my opinion to myself, and the decision I make, I usually do not discuss on a forum.

Many people read, if the content is to their liking they will join, if not, you will never even notice that they where

there. But these people will still have created an opinion, and talking with people in RL may then take a not

so favorable stand to what "the loud minority" on the forums say. That cuts both ways!

[silent_one]

I hate bad AI the most. How can you succeed in BOB2 and fail so bad in IL2.  Also the  Sniper gunners. AI can fly faster and engine never overheats.  Grrrr.

 

I also hate that the rivet counters spoiled the sim for me. Personally I cant be arsed playing microsoft flightsim with guns. I want a combat sim experience . Not the Airbus experience. AS for in the last stream " you can navigate by the stars "  WTF!     I think the original IL2 had it right and lost it in Forgotten Battles.  When your spending more time fiddling with fuel mixture than concentrating on your air combat maneuvering. The games lost its way.

[SKG51_robtek]

I hate bad AI the most. How can you succeed in BOB2 and fail so bad in IL2.  Also the  Sniper gunners. AI can fly faster and engine never overheats.  Grrrr.

 

I also hate that the rivet counters spoiled the sim for me. Personally I cant be arsed playing microsoft flightsim with guns. I want a combat sim experience . Not the Airbus experience. AS for in the last stream " you can navigate by the stars "  WTF!     I think the original IL2 had it right and lost it in Forgotten Battles.  When your spending more time fiddling with fuel mixture than concentrating on your air combat maneuvering. The games lost its way.

When you have to spend some of your time with engine management during a combat to get the most of your ride,then the game gets closer to a simulation.

A air combat simulation doesn't stop with moving throttle, stick and rudder.

[Gort]

I despise dinking around with control assignments and ratios. Just hate it with a passion. Too cumbersome, no stick/throttle combination seems adequate or robust, and that part of the sim software is maddening.

 

As far as CEM- some of what I have seen is too tedious. In combat, the throttle will be wide arsed open 95% of the time, prop full forward and maybe a little tweak on mixture and blower shifting. You can take your hand off of the throttle to sneak some flaps out without looking, so much of the anthropomorphic interface seemed strange to me.

 

Maybe I should invest in a button box of some sort, but that would mean more fiddling on the control options screen!!!!!

[VeryOldMan]

Then I guess deciding with your feet, or better said with your wallet, is then something new to you?

On a lot of things I keep my opinion to myself, and the decision I make, I usually do not discuss on a forum.

Many people read, if the content is to their liking they will join, if not, you will never even notice that they where

there. But these people will still have created an opinion, and talking with people in RL may then take a not

so favorable stand to what "the loud minority" on the forums say. That cuts both ways!

 

 

You may   try whatever you want, but   the world is of the ones that communicate.  Business want money, money comes from people, therefore pleasing costumers is good, when they listen  something from the costumers they will pay some attention and you might get heard. If you speak nothing, its simply impossible for you to get heard.

 

If you do not  post when the idea dislikes you, you    are not herd, its like concenting with it. Complaining of the vocal minority  being heard is a loosers game,  want to be heard, be vocal. Not only here, in all world.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Can not share that opinion, as there are plenty of ways of showing ones opinion with out having to write pages, about why, or why not.

[76SQN-FatherTed]

The only thing that gets me truly angry in combat flight-sims is...being crap at them.  As a small kid I loved war planes and (of course) wanted to be a fighter pilot.  Now that technology allows me to get inkling of what it was like - more so than going "eeeeooww...ratatata" whilst zooming a badly-painted Airfix Spitfire about the place at any rate - I find that I can't really do it.

[Stig]

The only thing that gets me truly angry in combat flight-sims is...being crap at them.  As a small kid I loved war planes and (of course) wanted to be a fighter pilot.  Now that technology allows me to get inkling of what it was like - more so than going "eeeeooww...ratatata" whilst zooming a badly-painted Airfix Spitfire about the place at any rate - I find that I can't really do it.

 

If it's any consolation, you're not alone.

[BraveSirRobin]

The only thing that gets me truly angry in combat flight-sims is...being crap at them.  As a small kid I loved war planes and (of course) wanted to be a fighter pilot.  Now that technology allows me to get inkling of what it was like - more so than going "eeeeooww...ratatata" whilst zooming a badly-painted Airfix Spitfire about the place at any rate - I find that I can't really do it.

 

The problem could simply be that you have a life, and therefor not enough time to practice.

[StG2_xgitarrist]

You may   try whatever you want, but   the world is of the ones that communicate.  Business want money, money comes from people, therefore pleasing costumers is good, when they listen  something from the costumers they will pay some attention and you might get heard. If you speak nothing, its simply impossible for you to get heard.

 

If you do not  post when the idea dislikes you, you    are not herd, its like concenting with it. Complaining of the vocal minority  being heard is a loosers game,  want to be heard, be vocal. Not only here, in all world.

"You're the voice try and understand it, make a noise and make it clear oooh  oh ooh ohh h ooohh..."

 

anyway, back to the  topic

 

My frustrating moments: I am in the middle of a dogfight...the other guy flies good... i have to fight to get the upper hand... than a short moment....i get into a firing position... i shoot...i hit him.

So far so good... he is in the defence now trying to evoide my bullets...some more hits... he is badly wounded.... 1 more good shot and the fight is over...i shoot.. i hit the fual tank....enemy aircraft explodes 100 meter infront of me...and ripps off both of my wings.

What the....

 

Or even better: the other guy loses a wing and crashes 50 meter beneath me...engine damaged...pilot wounded... half of my wing is missing....

 

I guess some pilots are storing explosives or bombs in their cockpits.

[=LD=Hethwill]

EER

 

Endless Energy Retention

[=AVG=Zombie]

I hate when you can drain all of your ammo into someone and they PK you with one pass. Lame

[Karost]

I have just one.

- FM for 109 in IL2 original and  IL2-FB  are far difference  on IL2-FB age I have to switch to fly FW190  and learn to master this killing machine

 

 

I hope this time I can dance with 109 again

Edited October 1, 2013 by karost

[J2_Trupobaw]

Artificial Stupidity and, yes, people taking gunners place without asking. Even when they intend no malice, human gunner "test firing" his gun makes me evade first and ask questions later; even sight of my "AI" gunner swinging his gun makes me waste altitude searching for the enemy that isn't there; have fun regaining that with maximal bomb load. The high points include me losing my wings by overediving (he kept firing behind like there was someone outside my FoV tailing us) and me jettisoning bombs to pursue and down a friendly plane (my "AI" gunner was firing at it, so I didn't bother looking at markings until it was full of holes).

Edited October 1, 2013 by Trupobaw

[silent_one]

When you have to spend some of your time with engine management during a combat to get the most of your ride,then the game gets closer to a simulation.

A air combat simulation doesn't stop with moving throttle, stick and rudder.

I thought we were supposed to be talking about what we hate in a sim, This elitist attitude is part of what is now wrong with this genre. I know what a sim is. Ive been playing since the start with Total Air War, Janes and Falcon 4.I dont need advice from you about what the sim experience is about. A lot of people want different things from the experience.

All this obsession for " realism " has done is kill the genre and the fun in it. The " full real" brigade and their elitism. Online and in the forums, have driven away a lot of potential players.

Many aspects of flying would be intuitive to a real pilot and in my opinion can be automated so the player can actually enjoy concentrate on the art of fighting. If I wanted to play a game about navigating and engine efficiency with my Airbus. Id be playing Airbus. 

When IL2 came out there were a lot of players and a lot of online games to join. Forgotten battles became less accessible and there were a lot fewer. It got modded and there were  a lot less and they became hard to join because you might have the wrong mod. Then BOB and no games at all.  If the new IL2 sticks with that recipe then the genre will be dead in 5 years.   

 

Theres a reason why there is no Falcon 5 or Janes lets not add IL2 to the list.

Edited October 1, 2013 by silent_one

[III/JG11_Tiger]

Not too much gets me mad regarding flight sims or the forums as no one forces me to buy these sims or fly them, but the idea that because some posters have many posts they must therefore be more knowledgable than a new poster is in my opinion quite silly, we should always be encouraging new people to join in and give their opinions, whether those opinions are right or wrong, the more players the more fun.

[stiboo]

Yes it's also A.I. rear gunners and A.I. Flak with their incredible accuracy!

 

 

and not being able to have a complex but easy to use Full Mission Builder...

[AX2]

Online ..

After a chase of 20 minutes 

 

Read this:

You shot me...!  close to my base !!.

I have the track  ...!!!  I HAVE THE TRACK!!!

 YOU ARE A  %~#$º!     !!!

 

I will repot you !!!  .. YOU WILL BE BANNED !!!  YOU ARE A %~#$º !!!!! 

 

 

[Gort]

Online ..

After a chase of 20 minutes 

 

Read this:

 

 

 

As long as you had fuel to get home...

 

Otherwise, a Classic of which to be proud! Like "All your base are belong to us."

[AX2]

As long as you had fuel to get home...

 

Otherwise, a Classic of which to be proud! Like "All your base are belong to us."

"All your Base are belong to us."  ????  

 

Not.... to do that, I will need tanks 

[Gort]

 

Jeesh, how many US pilots shot enemy fighters down while they were in the landing pattern with gear and flaps down? Yeager on an Me 262 for starters.

 

I can hear the jet driver on the R/T, "You shot me!....I close to my base! I HAVE THE TRACK!"

[leitmotiv]

There is something called rules of the server (no vulching, no cute kills,no camping, no BnZ, no TnB, no chat, no lights, no fun, no talk while flying, no wifes alowed and so on...), if it's not allowed by guy who owns the server and pay for it so you can play on it then its his right to kick you or ban you if you brake rule no mather how silly you think it is. 

Then on other hand if you dont like the rules on that server you go play with same mined players on server with different or no rules. There is planty of servers to chose from. 

 

I dont like when people dont read the server rules or briefings and then brake them constantly

[Gort]

What is a "Cute Kill"?

[leitmotiv]

"cute kill" is killing players with Hello Kitty skin on your airplane or Panda skin on pilot 

 

usually seen on some underground hard core servers 

Edited October 3, 2013 by Yaklover

[Mmaruda]

Short list of stuff I hate:

1. Bad performance and crap graphics at the same time and constant dev excuses of the "but it's a simulation" sort

2. Cheating AI with rocket pods and 360 sniper guns

3. Lack of proper tutorials

4. Generic missions and their briefings (I grew up on '90s games' cutscenes)

 

As for the people, I suppose the "elitist" crowd I find iritating - they damn a game as being arcade if it does not have clickable pit, but at the same time are completely ok with unrealistic AI and the rest of the stuff that makes a sim.

Edited October 3, 2013 by [16thVTFS]Mmaruda