Call Desastersoft for Campaign and Mission Design!

[Quint]

Gentlemen!

 

With all the terrible things in Game content at Clod, please call the Kings of historical Mission and Campaign design to giv us offline Gameplay! Please do not make the same mistake than MG did before: leaving us without Game content!

And do not the same mistake as 777 did: do us not leave with such an useless unstable and unconfortable Mission editor!

 

My statement, and i think most of comunity compare: Call DESASTERSOFT for Campaigns and missions! Have a look on their work and what they have given to the Community!

 

Thankfull

Frank Quint

[W1ndy]

Agree on the mission editor. It needs to propel the sim forward with innovative community members making campaigns and missions.

 

Also the Deadersoft boys should be able to sell their stuff to 777 iC   (BTW what's the new brand?)

 

DCS has all the third party action going on - hopefully a similar healthy arrangement can be made with third parties like Deadersoft.

Edited December 11, 2012 by W1ndy

[csThor]

IMO it would be more useful to provide them with a full-blown FMB. They work on their own time with own ideas ... and aren't always willing to compromise on certain issues (as the business world demands - I know Tom and Olaf and how both are ). As such I'd prefer to give them the tools. It allows for more diversity.

Edited December 11, 2012 by csThor

[dburne]

Yes please give some focus to offline content, ie campaigns - for us offline flyers, which is my main focus, and I am sure many others as well.

CLoD really missed out on that part.

[ram0506]

Good ideas here. Take a look at the Desastersoft campaigns and contact the Desasters, as Frank Quint already wrote!

 

Thanks and good luck for the development!

[II/JG11_Pio]

Gentlemen!

 

With all the terrible things in Game content at Clod, please call the Kings of historical Mission and Campaign design to giv us offline Gameplay! Please do not make the same mistake than MG did before: leaving us without Game content!

And do not the same mistake as 777 did: do us not leave with such an useless unstable and unconfortable Mission editor!

 

My statement, and i think most of comunity compare: Call DESASTERSOFT for Campaigns and missions! Have a look on their work and what they have given to the Community!

 

Thankfull

Frank Quint

 

Sign it. +1

 

Lg II/JG11_Karaya

[SYN_Flashman]

A working Full Mission Builder with a good array of content is a must from day one. It must work! CLoDs was horrible and buggy and frankly that in iteslef largely killed the Syndicate CloD server.

 

This will allow the community to get creative with the content as it is delivered. It will allow those who wish to concentrate on providing a multiplayer environment to get going on day 1.

 

It will also allow the community to create missions and campaigns for single player. Given the wide breadth of WW2 I personally feel the reality is that its the community that will provide much of this anyway as is the case with IL2:1946.

 

I personally really enjoy creating missions and anyone who ever flew on Syndicate IL2 servers (both 1946 and CLoD) will have flown my missions. I learnt so much about WW2 from doing my research and its a great way to be creative.

 

If we have a working FMB then you are going to get content from folk like me. Its in my interest to have an FMB that works so I can create interesting missions. In turn if I do my 'job' right then our servers will be well populated which is the best way to get an enjoyable MP experience. In turn word of mouth will bring more interest to the product and you will get more sales.

 

The FMB is a vital component of the game, even if only a minority of players have any use for it. Its that minority that could end up providing the content for the majority..... this is especially true for the MP community.

[FlatSpinMan]

I agree with the last paragraph in particular.

I got into IL2 by playing user made campaigns, then made some myself, which have received over 50,000 downloads. A powerful but relatively simple to use FMB would do so much to flesh out the content and extend the life of this game (which hasn't even been made!).

[Juri_JS]

I hope they will not use the ROF mission builder, which isn't very user-friendly. Moreover it isn't possible in ROF to create user made campaigns like in Il-2, which is one of the main issues I have with ROF.

[heinkill]

+1 to involving third party devs with a respect for historical accuracy EARLY in development. The old 1C team wouldn't answer Desastersofts calls, and Desastersoft had to crack the GUI code on its own in order to be able the interface for its campaigns. The more add ons there are for this sim, the more copies of the base game 1C Game Studios will move.

 

++1 to beefing up the RoF mission builder so the community can develop good content too

[dburne]

I hope they will not use the ROF mission builder, which isn't very user-friendly. Moreover it isn't possible in ROF to create user made campaigns like in Il-2, which is one of the main issues I have with ROF.

 

+1

 

The best campaigns I played in the original series, were user made campaigns - there were some truly awesome ones out there.

[heinkill]

+1 to getting good mission designers with a respect for history on board.

 

++1 to beefing up the mission builder so the community can help with content

 

Also, give 3rd party developers like Desastersoft early access to the tools they need to build added content. 1C didn't return Desastersofts calls and

[Freycinet]

I'd say yes to calling Desastersoft... But give Heinkill a ring as well...  :-)

[gavagai]

The only flight sim with a 24:7 war, in which the player is just one participant, is the Falcon 4 series.  Dynamic campaigns are neat, but not at the same level.

[YoYo]

Yep, Desastersoft did GREAT job with campaign for IL-2 CoD: H.Wick vs Dundas and now A.Galland ( http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=36336 ). Many new ideas and good scrips.

 

I did review of the first of this addon: http://yoyosims.pl/fighter-aces-helmut-wick-vs-j-c-dundas

 

and this addon recived 5/5 stars from my side. 

 

I hope his experiance will be used in the new project. Default campain in Il-2 was a disaster or better words  - was it in CoD?

[Mysticpuma]

For the 'everyday' users, the FMB in IL2 1946 was perfect. Although it was reasonably complex, it was usable by most players with a little reading. It also allowed freedom and creativity to design set-pieces quite easily. The QMB (in the updated 1946 to patch 4.11.1) is also superb, allowing much larger groups of aircraft than the original did.

 

Sadly in CloD, campaigns became much harder for the 'everyday' users with the adoption of C++ programming, and this shut out lots of the creatives who just can't learn programming language.

 

I really hope that as much effort is put into creating tools for players to have fun offline as was done for online play, as offline was completely disregarded in CloD.

 

Offline is just as important as online play (and please don't forget the Co-Op for online!)

 

Cheers, MP

[Pehy]

A mission builder and editor is the one thing, it's a goody for everybody interested in modifying existing or generating a few own missions. The other essential part is a well documented API (or much better, a real SDK) for professional content builders like Desastersoft.

 

Peter

[Frost*]

I'd say yes to calling Desastersoft... But give Heinkill a ring as well...  :-)

 

 

I totally agree, these guys know their stuff.

 

I'm also hoping that as an offline player there will be some decent missions/campaigns to get our teeth into. I feel there is a favouritism towards developing more for online play in simulators these days.

 

To sum up for me personally, the quality of the offline content will decide whether I purchase or not.

[AdlerAngriff]

BIG YES to Desastersoft

[Quint]

Called Desastersoft yesterday via E-Mail. They answered, that they will still plan Add Ons for the CloD 2013/14. Sounds not good for cooperation of 1C Games / 777 / Desastersoft. And sounds not good for offline Gamplay with new IL2 BOS. Would be very sad, when they miss to get them on Board. But on the other hand we have CloD, what is not as bad as some stated, because they got now excellent Game Content from Desastersoft. So, let?

[Guest deleted@1562]

Called Desastersoft yesterday via E-Mail. They answered, that they will still plan Add Ons for the CloD 2013/14. Sounds not good for cooperation of 1C Games / 777 / Desastersoft. And sounds not good for offline Gamplay with new IL2 BOS. Would be very sad, when they miss to get them on Board. But on the other hand we have CloD, what is not as bad as some stated, because they got now excellent Game Content from Desastersoft. So, let?

[heinkill]

I guess there are but the price needs to be right (ie free!). This weekend after about two weeks of release we rounded 2,000 downloads of the Redux campaign for CoD.

[IndianaHorst]

I would appreciate if  they call Desastersoft to do all the missions and campaigns.  Desastersoft proved to be the best for this job. 

 

Some about Desastersoft Campaigns and Add Ons:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=36358

http://www.simhq.com/_air15/air_538a.html

http://simhq.com/_air14/air_523a.html

http://simhq.com/_air14/air_524a.html

Edited December 19, 2012 by IndianaHorst

[Quint]

Thanxx Horst!

 

I am in the JG26 Campaign of Galland Add On yet

 

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetings

Frank

[heinkill]

Have just submitted to SimHQ two articles

 

- Thomas Voss thoughts on the future of IL2 franchise and designing missions in the RoF mission editor and

 

- Review of Galland add-on.

 

Will post links on the 'free subjects' forum when they are published.

 

H

Edited December 19, 2012 by heinkill

[Quint]

Any news about Campaigns from Desastersoft? Heinkill, waiting to read you! Maybe you can fit some in of your Review of Galland addon?

 

Greetings

Frank

[YoYo]

Just I remind this topic. Maybe .... .

[SOLIDKREATE]

I bought one of there campaigns, specifically 'Helmut Wick vs. J.C. Dundas'. It was amazing! I still think we need to give 1C/777 a chance first though. This game is only 35% complete after all.

Edited December 23, 2013 by 9./JG54_SPEKTRE76

[YoYo]

I bought one of there campaigns, specifically 'Helmut Wick vs. J.C. Dundas'. It was amazing! I still think we need to give 1C/777 a chance first though. This game is only 35% complete after all.

 

Next session is in Friday - so if You want - Today Desastersoft put Christmas FREE gift - new campain for CoD http://www.desastersoft.com/de/downloads (just maybe only in German, I dont know it).

[hirondo]

I’ve played all original IL-2 and CoD campaigns from Desastersoft. I found them all historically accurate, professionally made and demanding to play. Yes, sometimes I missed somewhat involvement and great emotions. Nevertheless the content they created for these two games is amazing and without it I wouldn’t have stayed in this genre for so long.

As for me, the quality of the offline content will decide whether I continue purchasing BoS-sequence products or not.

[=RvE=Windmills]

So how impossible to use was the RoF editor anyway?

[thx1138]

The only flight sim with a 24:7 war, in which the player is just one participant, is the Falcon 4 series.  Dynamic campaigns are neat, but not at the same level.

 

+ 1 !!!!

 

Nothing ever has come close to the offline campaign/war in the Falcon 4 series. Now with BMS it is even more awesome ! Falcon 4 set the standard none have even tried for since !

 

Lets hope the devs don't forget us offline fliers. I like online Ok, but it almost always seems to digress into just a low altitude furball that everyone just takes off and flies to. That gets old after a short while for me. The SYN servers in ROF at least address this issue (in the way they are made with bombers and reccee missions acually being important) and are fun to be a part of. Hopefully it can be even better here.

 

Please give offline content that makes us feel like we are flying missions that are close to being historically what the pilots really flew.

 

Thanx.

[Cybermat47]

So how impossible to use was the RoF editor anyway?

It's still giving me headaches after a month.

[heinkill]

I'll be happy if they can deliver a quick mission builder and bonus would be a good dynamic campaign or career, with missions generated on the fly. These days an F4 style campaign is almost too much to hope for. And I think they have already said the mission builder will not be much different to the one in RoF, love it or leave it, but try to learn it... I have been giving it a go, and can make basic missions now. But I find it a little frustrating, in that you do the same actions and don't always get the same result...oh well. Better than the mission builder in wings of Prey

 

H

Edited December 24, 2013 by heinkill

[LukeFF]

Just I remind this topic. Maybe .... .

 

1CGS is perfectly capable of creating their own quality campaigns and missions. They don't need to call Desastersoft.

[YoYo]

1CGS is perfectly capable of creating their own quality campaigns and missions. They don't need to call Desastersoft.

 

Hi, any arguments or You put only sentences like this here : > ? Did You play any Desastersoft campain? Reply me ok? I remind You two examples from both side (1C/777S) - in default CoD the campain is till now totally boring and unplayble and buggy, second, did You saw the dynamic campain in RoF? Yes its nice, but it is still in beta (some nice done by users as payware or freeware). So do You have the 100% of guarantee? Im not sure. We will see for sure in Q1/Q2.  Its a proposition from users site, not an order - to do best off/online campain ever only.

Edited December 27, 2013 by YoYo

[=FI=Genosse]

The FMB is a vital component of the game, even if only a minority of players have any use for it. Its that minority that could end up providing the content for the majority..... this is especially true for the MP community.

 

Absolutely agreed! +1

 

[FS_Fenice_1965]

Absolutely agreed! +1

 

 

I agree too. One of the key of IL2 success was the quality of the FMB. I think that the way you can operate with ease in real time 3D view is unsurpassed.

Not only makes building missions easier, but also makes mission building more exciting. Building mission in IL2 has been like a game in the game and this is the reason why people created tons of matherials during all these years. 

[LukeFF]

YoYo, no, I have not played any of the Desastersoft campaigns, but I have played plenty of missions and campaigns created by both the 3rd party community (IL2 FB and ROF) and the official developers to know that you don't have to immediately go running off to third parties to have good mission design. It just sounds patently ridiculous to me that, before we've seen one mission of any sort on the official map, we have people saying "call this group or that group! They know what they're doing!" The guys working on BoS are very imaginative folks, and I have no doubt they will give us good missions out of the box, so to say. And, I have no doubt that in due time good third-party missions will come. 

[YoYo]

We will see what They will do. For sure, we must give a chance for developer first, but trust me - Desastersof did very well done campaigns for IL-2 1946 and CoD with big atmosphere, very detailed and with good stories too. Perhaps they will do 3th party addons for BoS too so all will be happy . CoD + his campaigns = new level of this sim. Regards.