Total BOS noob reporting for duty!

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Hi all! Some of you may know me from ROF, where I have been flying/dying/learning/having fun under the multiplayer handle "Rookie Ace" for close to two years now. To others I'll be just another new face in the crowd, trying to find my way along with every other BOS noob.

 

Anyways, I just gave BOS a shot today and have some questions:

 

1) My Trackir 5 doesn't seem to work. With ROF I simply needed to turn it on and center it before launching the game, but it doesn't work here. Why?

 

2) I tried flying the Bf 109G today and it was extremely unstable! I seem to remember back in my Il-2 1946 days that this wasn't so, but that was a long time ago and I didn't have a twist joystick like I do now, so maybe that could be it...

 

3) My throttle on my joystick is mapped backwards. Back = more power and forward = less. I've tried remapping it couple times with no success.

 

4) One thing I find disorienting is the motion blur effect. Is there a way to turn it off?

 

 

Any additional noob tips and advice that some of the veteran BOS pilots can offer to me will be gratefully accepted. :S!:

 

HotleadColdfeet

[Bearcat]

Update your games list in TIR.

 

Make sure you have your trims set up properly.

 

If you look at the throttle axis in the setup you will see a little thing that looks like an arrow that bends down to the left.. That is the invert axis key.

 

Motion blur is turned off in the Settings-> Camera-> uncheck cinematic at the bottom left.

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

Hello! Let's go easy:

 

1) You have to active track IR support editing some config files in your game folder. I do not remember it by now. You must search in the forum! But it works, ok?

 

2) You will get used with it. It's a excellent aircraft!

 

3) It's possible to invert your axis in the settings > controls. Take a look!

 

4) Yes. It's possible! Take a look in settings > camera. Unmark cinematic option!

 

See you!

[Porkman]

For 3, it is probably the default mapping settings for your stick itself, outside of BOS, that is set inverted to begin with. I had the same issue with my Thrustmaster T Flight Hotas X default throttle setup being inverted for some reason...and everytime I would unplug it and then reattach it would default to the inverted throttle.  Even though I had originally inverted BOS throttle axis settings to counteract this, each time this would happen I would have to go back into BOS settings and then re-invert (word?) again the BOS throttle to counteract again.  This was extremely annoying and I often would forget to change BOS settings and full throttle right off the unpause when it should be at idle...very frustrating... until I finally read through the manual that came with the stick and followed a kind of confusing series of button presses to then be able to save a custom preset and set the axis however you want.  The custom preset gets saved to memory within the stick so it will not be lost when unplugged.  I believe most sticks either have this sort of procedure or come with a windows based mapping program that stores custom mappings to your PC itself.  However, as a final note, when unplugging and plugging stick back in, it still defaults to the sticks original inverted mapping, but now I just have to push the preset button to load my custom mapping and a light next to the button lights up to show it is active and not default.  I wish my stick came with mapping software but alas it does not, being a $50 product.  I spent my peripheral budget on a G27 racing wheel, and opted for a budget stick because as much as I love flying, there are just so many more racing sims/games and figured It'd be better to put the money into a better wheel than a stick.  Anyway, I hope this might help someone else avoid some frustration with any weird default setups.

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Ah...thanks guys! Trackir, throttle and blur problems fixed. :D

 

But flying all the planes is incredibly difficult! You cannot push any of them too hard or they will spin. Split S and Immelmanns are terrible for me right now. The plane wobbles all around too, so I cannot aim.

 

Can any fellow transfer from ROF tell me how to fly these things?

 

HotleadColdfeet

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Glad to see you my friend ..... welcome to BoS ..... We hope to have our servers on line soon ..... till then, I'll see you in the air ..... and for what it's worth, I could not take off for nothing when I first started BoS. Now I do fine but still have to work on my landings .... If you need some help I have Chuck Owls Beginners guide to all these aircraft. 

 

Chief

Edited January 2, 2015 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Thanks Chief! I could use those guides.

Once you have your novice training server up, I might swing by for a little help over Teamspeak. (I really appreciate how you guys actively moderate your Teamspeak channels too.)

Edited January 2, 2015 by HotleadColdfeet

[Bullets]

I was a transfer from ROF too! WW2 aircraft certainly feel very different from the wooden crates I was used too, I struggled to take off and land without breaking something But now I find it a piece of cake Just re-learn to fly the aircraft and Im sure you will be fine! S! 

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Thanks Bullet! Will certainly keep on trying!

Is it possible to fly these planes well with a twist joystick? That is what I'm using.

[SCG_Tzigy]

Rudder pedals next thing to get. Game changer, imho.

Edited January 2, 2015 by tzigy

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Hmmm... I've held off on buying rudder pedals ever since I started ROF chiefly because they are so spendy. How much do you honestly think they add to the game? Is there a real difference in piloting performance between a twist stick and actual rudder pedals, or is it simply an immersion thing? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I like to be well-informed before I dive off on a big purchase.

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

Hmmm... I've held off on buying rudder pedals ever since I started ROF chiefly because they are so spendy. How much do you honestly think they add to the game? Is there a real difference in piloting performance between a twist stick and actual rudder pedals, or is it simply an immersion thing? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I like to be well-informed before I dive off on a big purchase.

 

I think rudder pedals will give you more precision and is more natural (i want to mean more confortable) to maintain your aircraft as desired. Maintain your rudder deflected using a twist stick is much more tiring while rolling and pitching. You can even use wrong rudder input while maneuvering.

 

It's about precision and ergonomics!

 

I flew using a twist stick for long time! Now i experienced pedals it's a need to me.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Tales

[Willy__]

It really is a game changer. There will be a learning curve but once you get used you wont fly without rudder pedals again.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Thanks Chief! I could use those guides.

Once you have your novice training server up, I might swing by for a little help over Teamspeak. (I really appreciate how you guys actively moderate your Teamspeak channels too.)

 

Just Pm me and email address and I'll send you the guides. I've gotten permission from Chuck to distribute them but I will NOT post them openly out of respect since he's chosen not to. This goes to anyone who might want them.

 

 

Hmmm... I've held off on buying rudder pedals ever since I started ROF chiefly because they are so spendy. How much do you honestly think they add to the game? Is there a real difference in piloting performance between a twist stick and actual rudder pedals, or is it simply an immersion thing? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I like to be well-informed before I dive off on a big purchase.

 

A lot more than you might suspect.

 

I would not hesitate to say that this would be MY list of things to buy in order ...

 

1. A decent Flight stick (with seperat throttle IF you can afford it) ..

 

2. Track IR (or it's equivalent). Not that I haven't been beaten well by those without this.

 

3. Rudder pedals as they help in ways you can not imagine. You can conquer the sky's with a twist stick but trust me when I say, you will always flinch when you wish you hadn't.

 

Chief

Edited January 3, 2015 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Well, I'll start saving then. Thanks for the replies all.

[Bullets]

I have only ever used a twisty stick and have no problems with using one however I can see the advantages of having pedals (longer throws- more sensitive movements) so maybe one day I will get them  

[AnaRasanen]

I'm a newbie too. I got tired of waiting an ingame tutorial and started to learn the game by watching videos. However I have some problems too.

 

1) How can I change my keyboard settings to the Nordic layout?

 

2) I have watched this video:

 

I choose to start the training on the runway. Still I find my plane in snow besides the runway. I push 'P' to unpause and my plane has it's engine on and the plane does circles in snow. Why is this? It's not like this in the video.

 

3) I can't lock my tail wheel. There's no message about locking the tail wheel and my plane goes all over the runway.

 

4) My wheel brakes don't seem to work. Again there's no message about using the brakes. I have the same problem with German and Soviet planes.

 

5) I have a Saitek X52. How can I know which button is which when the buttons are displayed like joyb_05 or something like that?

[FlatSpinMan]

AnaRasanen - which plane are you flying? Things differ a bit.

About your plane looping after releasing pause, perhaps your throttle is set to full by mistake. In this game for some reason, the throttle axis has it that top is zero power and bottom is full power. If this is your case, the plane will probably start at full power. In control settings, look for a little box in the corner of the throttle settings box and mouse over it. It should say "invert". Select it then your throttle should progress from bottom to top.

 

 

German and Russian planes' brakes are mapped to different controls, I think. Something like 'wheel brakes' and 'toe brakes' or something. Find the controls and map them to the same keys, so when you fly either side they'll work.

[Yakdriver]

1) what keyboard do you have? QWERTZ like me? The keyboard layout is done in windows - if the keyboard writes correctly and does the special cahacters just fine, then the layout is correct (test with sigbns like @ - [ - ] - ^^ ° andso on)

 

2 and 3) The LaGG does not have a Tail Wheel locking Mechanism, so nothing can be done. If you are turning all the time, i suppose it is because you do not have prop pitch to 100%...? there si a message for that. And mixture too.

 

4) when you press the brakes Button, and stop using the brakes, there is a "HisssSSS" sound, that indicates the air pressure used for the brakes.

 

5) This is the part that solves a lot of your problems. Go into controls and take the most important Plane controls, and set them the way you want.

this is a really important step - the layout as it is in the game is nto made for everyone.

 

go to airplane brakes, and set a brake button (the red safety button where your right thumb is? )

go to engine-> prop pitch and assign an axis (the small line where your left thumb is?)

go to retract gear, set ...

 

here , a suggestion, how i use the x-52 (i use two)

it is important that you chose something that you can memorize without thinking, something that follows your instinct.

[AnaRasanen]

Thanks for advices.

 

@Yakdriver, I'll try that. Thx.

 

[voncrapenhauser]

But flying all the planes is incredibly difficult! You cannot push any of them too hard or they will spin. Split S and Immelmanns are terrible for me right now. The plane wobbles all around too, so I cannot aim.

 

Can any fellow transfer from ROF tell me how to fly these things?

 

HotleadColdfeet

Welcome to the world of the BOS Flight model issue.

You will see lots of threads complaining about this.

IMO its not broken, they need a tweak here and there, especially the FW190

Rudder pedals next thing to get. Game changer, imho.

Deffo +1 once I started flying IRL the stick twist option feels soooo alien and not realistic, but each to their own, Whatever floats your boat ETC.

Edited January 3, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[AnaRasanen]

1) what keyboard do you have? QWERTZ like me? The keyboard layout is done in windows - if the keyboard writes correctly and does the special cahacters just fine, then the layout is correct (test with sigbns like @ - [ - ] - ^^ ° andso on)

 

2 and 3) The LaGG does not have a Tail Wheel locking Mechanism, so nothing can be done. If you are turning all the time, i suppose it is because you do not have prop pitch to 100%...? there si a message for that. And mixture too.

 

4) when you press the brakes Button, and stop using the brakes, there is a "HisssSSS" sound, that indicates the air pressure used for the brakes.

 

5) This is the part that solves a lot of your problems. Go into controls and take the most important Plane controls, and set them the way you want.

this is a really important step - the layout as it is in the game is nto made for everyone.

 

go to airplane brakes, and set a brake button (the red safety button where your right thumb is? )

go to engine-> prop pitch and assign an axis (the small line where your left thumb is?)

go to retract gear, set ...

 

here , a suggestion, how i use the x-52 (i use two)

it is important that you chose something that you can memorize without thinking, something that follows your instinct.

 

Why can't I bind cannon to that same button as you do?

 

Why can't I bind look around viewing to throttle's analog mouse stick?

 

Why can't I bind zoom to throttle's wheel?

 

Why my stick's trigger seems to have only one function?

Edited January 3, 2015 by AnaRasanen

[Yakdriver]

Cannon? it works for me.
what happens when you try?
--> push apply button?

 

Mouse stick and Zoom: need to use button, not axis for that. Why? do not know.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I only skimmed over the responses but to keep the G2 stable in flight

 

1. Nose trim (horizontal stab) full down

2. Keep the aircraft above 350 kph as much as possible. The fixed tabs are set for max cruise.

3. She's a fighter and some instability is by design.

4. The next response will likely be about whether the instability/rudder/coupling has been modelled correctly!

[AnaRasanen]

Cannon? it works for me.

what happens when you try?

--> push apply button?

 

Mouse stick and Zoom: need to use button, not axis for that. Why? do not know.

 

Nothing seems to happen.

[Yakdriver]

??
weird...

 

G:\Program Files\1C Game Studios\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data\input

--> current.actions file

----> cannons_fire

text is:

 

cannons_fire,                                     ,                                                 0| // Fire only cannons
cannons_fire,                                     joy1_b5,                                          0|

Edited January 3, 2015 by Yakdriver

[AnaRasanen]

??

weird...

 

G:\Program Files\1C Game Studios\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data\input

--> current.actions file

----> cannons_fire

text is:

 

cannons_fire,                                     ,                                                 0| // Fire only cannons

cannons_fire,                                     joy1_b5,                                          0|

 

Thanks.

[SCG_Tzigy]

I used to have a twist sidewinder, but then got a thustmaster T-flight Hotas X, this has both a twist axis and on the back of the throttle a lateral one whcih can be used for rudder, I found this much better and comfortable to use.

 

BUT,

 

I just recently got Saitek combat pedals and love them. It is hard to define exactly what it is, but as others say it just feels more natural/intuitive... they allow much finer touches. I'd found when using twist I would only use the rudder axis when I felt I HAD to, not as something that can be ADDED when I felt like it. When turning for example, it feels so much more natural to just use a little rudder to tighten, or nudge back to level after the turn.

 

And when it comes to taxiing in BOS, pedals rule. (They don't make it easy though!)

 

Ah, and wheel breaks on the toes is fantastic.

 

Couldn't go back now.

 

 

Like Chief listed:

 

Joystick with twist and throttle - basic requirement if you want to put some time into a sim

 

Track IR (or similar) - this made a massive difference to keeping me alive a.k.a. Situational awareness.

 

Rudder pedals - Makes flying more natural and gives you that extra few metres of control that can make a world of difference. It may only be a couple of times in a flight, but it is worth it.

 

could not say it much better...

[Yakdriver]

Thanks.

cool!

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Well gentlemen, after a while of saving my spending money, I finally was able to afford a pair of brand spankin' new Saitek Combat pedals! Woo hoo!!! I'll have to break them in tonight. :D

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Well gentlemen, after a while of saving my spending money, I finally was able to afford a pair of brand spankin' new Saitek Combat pedals! Woo hoo!!! I'll have to break them in tonight. :D

You'll love them once you're used to them. It's a whole new world of control and home-pit immersion.

[D_Konig]

I just got some a few weeks back after guys here told me about it.

 

They were right, ill never go back. Took some getting used to though after being used to using the twist grip to takeoff etc but was well worth it.

[dburne]

Good choice of pedals, have been running my Saitek Combats for about 2 and a half years now, still performing very well for me.

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

HotleadColdfeet

Welcome to WWII flight simming at its best

[Quax]

 

 

Hmmm... I've held off on buying rudder pedals ever since I started ROF chiefly because they are so spendy. How much do you honestly think they add to the game? Is there a real difference in piloting performance between a twist stick and actual rudder pedals, or is it simply an immersion thing? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I like to be well-informed before I dive off on a big purchase.

You need pedals ! I recommend the Saitek for the beginning. There are more expensive alternatives, which are worth every penny, but coming from a twist stick, go for the Saitek. Edited February 12, 2015 by Quax

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

You need pedals ! I recommend the Saitek for the beginning. There are more expensive alternatives, which are worth every penny, but coming from a twist stick, go for the Saitek.

Hey thanks Quax! It was based on many recommendations like yours that I bought my first set of pedals - Saitek Combat Pro. I tried them out for the 1st time last night and yes, the learning curve appears to be steep since I am so used to a twist stick, but that is to be expected. Kinda like the time when I first got TrackIr and was used to no head movement in game. I'll just keep learning and pretty soon it should be second nature to me.

[SYN_Mike77]

Don't forget to set your breaks to the pedals too! But remember that russian planes just have one brake for both wheels.