ShamrockOneFive Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I voted for more Yak's but if we're talking totally new airframes then the P-40 and Bf110 are both good choices. El Aurens, thank you for being a voice of sanity and reason. I love the P-40 series and I enjoy when folks actually understand the aircraft rather than all of the sometimes grossly incorrect information that is out there. Would be an interesting fighter to have and although it's not a world beater, it was a decent fighter indeed! Could someone enlighten me which P-40s were serving at Stalingrad? Are these RAF Tomahawks? I would also like to point out with all of the P-39 talk and FW190s and so forth... Kuban REALLY should be the next scenario if we're sticking to the East Front. That or Stalingrad summer where the I-15 and I-16 could come out and play.
Brano Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 At Stalingrad there was 126.IAP from 268.IAD as from late August 1942 (Solodovka airfield).It was P40E version.Despite quite succesfull fighting 126.IAP was consumed in ensuing meatgrinder within the week and has been removed from frontline in Sept.1942.Subsequently reequipped with La5. It is the only one IAP known to me to be equipped with P40 during Stalingrad battle (in fact at its beginning).Maybe someone else has more info,but I dare to doubt there were more IAPs equipped with Kittyhawks over there.
Sim Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) It is the only one IAP known to me to be equipped with P40 during Stalingrad battle (in fact at its beginning).Maybe someone else has more info,but I dare to doubt there were more IAPs equipped with Kittyhawks over there. 731 IAP from 102 IAD/PVO had P-40s around September as well (source: one of Christer Bergstrom books). Edited January 2, 2015 by Sim
Lusekofte Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Yes they did, but they was not available over Stalingrad, and are best known for its service over Kuban Crimea and Kursk
Sim Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) Yes they did, but they was not available over Stalingrad, and are best known for its service over Kuban Crimea and Kursk Well, http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/bc-rs/vol3excerpt1.htm The combat report states they intercepted bomber formations on route to the Stalingrad and while locked in combat where drawing the enemy towards their airfield (which probably was also somewhere near Stalingrad). Edited January 2, 2015 by Sim
Brano Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 731 IAP from 102 IAD/PVO had P-40s around September as well (source: one of Christer Bergstrom books). Yes,you are right.731.IAP PVO (later renamed to 31.GIAP PVO) has been also equipped with Kittyhawks.Their airfields should be around that of 126.IAP (also part of Stalingrad PVO) on eastern bank of Volga - Solodovka airfield.It is on ingame map further east of Strednyaya Achtuba AF. But from combat record of 126.IAP I asume that also 731.IAP didnt participate with any major significance to battle of Stalingrad in its Uranus period.Times of airraids over city were long gone. I would like more to see kind of ''Auxiliary aircrafts pack/DLC'' comming first.With AI Ju52,Fw 189,Fi 156,Hs 126,Po 2 etc.To fill in gaps in craft pool for campaign and mission builders.
Lusekofte Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Well, http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/bc-rs/vol3excerpt1.htm The combat report states they intercepted bomber formations on route to the Stalingrad and while locked in combat where drawing the enemy towards their airfield (which probably was also somewhere near Stalingrad). I was speaking of the P-39, confusing I know. But I answered one earlier post
5th-GIAP_Sytov Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Zak, you are my hero. Ok, let's dispell some P 40 myths here, and discuss the truth of the aircraft. Right out of the gate, it was not good in the climb, it's no interceptor and was not designed as such. To fight the P 40 properly you will need to start back from the front (typical for now DF scenario) and gain altitude before engaging. The P40's bad reputation in the turn, which is a falsehood BTW, was gained when it was initially engaged with Imperial Japanese aircraft. Unless you are in a biplane I can't think of any Western Allied aircraft that could out turn a Ki-43. Now back to European aircraft and things change, the Hawk 81 series could out turn a Spitfire at or below the P 40s critical altitude (roughly 15,000ft.), and it could out roll just about anything I can think of, till the FW 190 came on the scene. Even in the later and heavier Hawk 87 series, the P40 was still very capable in the turn, and had roll rates of just over 90 deg/sec. The P 40 was far from a flying brick in terms of maneuverability. It really was not that slow either. At least in it's optimum operating area, again, at or below 15,000ft. At these altitudes we are talking as fast or faster than a Spit I, which puts the Hawk in the same ballpark as most of the faster planes of it's early war timeframe. It also had a fairly high cruise speed and a longer range than it's European counterparts. Then we get to what most people get right about the P 40, it was very good in the dive. It's predecessor, the Hawk 75 (P 36) was the first American fighter to have an indicated VNE because it could be dived so fast. No, not as fast as Curtiss claimed in the oft quoted dive tests for the Armee de l'Air, but none the less it was quite good in the dive. And the P 40 did it without shedding parts and tearing itself to bits in the process, which lead to the next area of discussion... The Hawk 81 and 87 were very robust airframes. Which meant that not only could they take a fair amount of combat punishment, they survived well in less than optimum field conditions. True cold was an issue for the cooling systems, but other than that they were a very strong, well built aircraft, with the side benefit that they held up well in emergency landings too. Several VVS pilots also discovered that their very strong wings were quite good for Taran attacks as well. Not something I'll be trying but there you go. The Hawk's abilities also made it a very good performer in the ground attack role. The VVS had good success with the P 40 in the attack role, and it served very very well for the Austrailians and New Zealanders, as well as the USAAF, in New Guinea as a superb ground attack platform. Now am I biased? Sure I am, the Curtiss Hawks are my favorite aircraft, of all time really, but, I don't gloss over their weaknesses. They were not perfect, no aircraft was or is. However, if you fly them to their strengths, and don't play your opponent's game, you will find success with the P 40. + 1
Gerd Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I want P40. but, I want these following fighters too. -SpitfireV -P39 -A6M2
GP* Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Some of these posts are ridiculous. No one is saying that the P-40 should be added to "totally pwn" the 109. They're saying it's both a fun and historically accurate plane, which would undoubtedly increase interest in flying for the VVS side (and not just for Americans, because after all, many Americans love flying for the Luftwaffe).
CorsairHundo Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Some of these posts are ridiculous. No one is saying that the P-40 should be added to "totally pwn" the 109. They're saying it's both a fun and historically accurate plane, which would undoubtedly increase interest in flying for the VVS side (and not just for Americans, because after all, many Americans love flying for the Luftwaffe). My guess most Americans do fly the German planes. I know Patton would if he was alive
Dave Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I want the P40 whereupon my mates and I shall use it to hand some 109 worshipping shit-talkers their arses in a box.
voncrapenhauser Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I want P40. but, I want these following fighters too. -SpitfireV -P39 -A6M2 +1 to a p39 I want the P40 whereupon my mates and I shall use it to hand some 109 worshipping shit-talkers their arses in a box. LOL! Steady on My guess most Americans do fly the German planes. I know Patton would if he was alive LOL!
SOLIDKREATE Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 - La-5FN - IL-2 M3 - IL-4 - Yak-3 - MC 200 - Bf 110 - Fw 190A-4/U3 - Hs 129B-2/R2 - Ju 52 In bold +1
Y-29.Silky Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I want the P40 whereupon my mates and I shall use it to hand some 109 worshipping shit-talkers their arses in a box. http://www.aviatia.net/ww2versus/bf-109/p-40-vs-bf-109/ Agreed! I don't know why so many people say it was terrible, mostly the Luftwaffe fanboys. It was a force to reckon with in Africa against the 109.
BlitzPig_EL Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Thanks for the link to Grp. Cpt. Caldwell.
361fundahl Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Never really knew about the p40 till now and it definitely would be a nice addition! MERICA!
SOLIDKREATE Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Zerstorer Bf-110C-7 PLEASE! Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-5 "L2+MR" of 7.(H)/LG 2 in Russia in the spring 1942, probably at Stalino airfield Edited January 10, 2015 by SPEKTRE76
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Well I'd preferr a Bf-110 E or F version (the E's were converted to heavy Jagdbombers with 1200kg payload) but I would take any 110 anyway. Considering it is not able to keep up with russian fighters it would be better to have a ground attack version in my opinion. The F might also be a good choice due to it's upgraded DB601-F engines, although it doesn't feauture any ordinance.
GridiroN Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) The only logical plane in the list is the P40. Germany does not need the BF110, and Russia most certainly does not need the crappy I16, or another Yakovlev. What I'd really like is to see the proper Ju88 used for "destroy the transport" missions so I don't have to fight HE111 with their super soldier manned MG152's, with their laser guided homing bullets. Edited January 11, 2015 by GridiroN
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Ju 88s were not used for transport missions since they didn't had a "cargo bay" unlike the he 111. The 88 was more of a pure bomber in this regard and the He 111 more suited for this task. In my opinion any addition is good and welcome. There's nothing better than variety given they don't intoduce planes totally outside the timeframe and theatre. The Bf110 would be very popular so probably would be the I-16. Edited January 12, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka
Brano Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Lots of flight hours spent in that machine in old sturm
Oktoberfest Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Bring the Bf-110, and you'll see me rolling on the runway again. I really want to see how it flies compared to the 110G2 on Warclouds....
Solmyr Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Yak 3P !!!! Ok, I know I have to be patient as it's a later plane, but please, Yak 3P as soon as possible ! I voted for the P-40, and at least I think we strongly need more light fighters, then Ju88, Bf110, Il-4 could come of course ! Edited January 21, 2015 by Solmyr
Danziger Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Since we now have MiG-3 I-16 and P-40 in BoM, I now vote for Yak-9 for BoS.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 I don't especially love the P-39 but considering it's historical importance it'd be pretty hard to argue against it. On the German side I'd love to see the Hs129. Such a cobbled together and fascinating little bird.
Roast Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 I absolutely love the P-39 to be in this sim, sooner rather than later, but I understand that they didn't see any combat over Stalingrad, let alone during the Battle for Moscow Still, as I stated before, the Axis flyers got their FW190, which flew elsewhere in the East but not over Stalingrad, so why can't we Red/Allied flyers get our beloved P-39? And while we're at it, let one of the P-39 skins Please be a red nosed Squadron commander's one, I like to my kite to be noticable so anyone on a 10 mile radius knows there is a P-39 around and any Axis flyer is welcome to give it a try
Bussard_x Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Since we now have MiG-3 I-16 and P-40 in BoM, I now vote for Yak-9 for BoS. I do not think we get more planes for BOS, except for the Ju 52.
Roast Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I do not think we get more planes for BOS, except for the Ju 52. We can get planes via BOM into BOS, can't we, so why not even more new planes after BOM launch ?
Warp_Spectre Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Zerstörer all the way! You have to love that big yellow nose and those white/green spinners. Plus the devastating load out of the Bf-110G-2. *This one is actually a C-7 and what really flew on the front. this x100000000000000 Also night fighter attachments. :D 110G2 had some crazy gun modifications. So many options could be had
HR_Tumu Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I thing some early planes are missing Ju52 flyable I-153 Maybe some German like h-51 or Italian cr-42 For have more environment German Storch recon and Russian Po Thx 1
XQ_Lothar29 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Fighters and Bombers Luftwaffe and VVS Ju.52 Flyable P-39 He 129 Fw190 A4 Bf109 G5 SB 2 Do 17 Ju88 TB-3 Hs 123 Recon Planes Luftwaffe Fi 156 Storch Fw189 uhu VVS R-5 Su-2
Original_Uwe Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Well now that we have the P40, I suppose were ready for a P-47M
Dave Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I'd like the Yak-3 but it would be an anachronism. Yak-9 would be a good option - late 42 through to 45. Yak-9U perhaps.
Danziger Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I don't think we will get any singles added. Apart from the possibility of the Ju-52 counterpart as AI only. I really hope they think about releasing plane packs to help fill in the lineup though. Like a pack of 4xAxis and 4xAllies planes. A set you can plug into BoS and an earlier set to plug into BoM.
Tag777 Posted August 29, 2016 Posted August 29, 2016 A limited number of P-39 saw action over Stalingrad, so it would be nice to have it in the sim. http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_P-39_Airacobra_Soviet.html http://www.airvectors.net/avp39.html#m4
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