Control Assignments: I feel some could be merged.

[Cognac]

I for one am quickly running out of space on my HOTAS. Do we really need separate entries in the control settings for some functions? Say for example, conventional elevator trim, vs trim on the 190? Can the settings not simply list one? I can only fly one plane at a time! It goes to reason that trim should be trim. Same goes with water radiators. Do we need water radiator control, plus radiator on the 109, then on the 111? I understand that IRL some operated differently than others, and I'm not opposed to that. But in these instances, I can't program my HOTAS to perform in a way that makes sense. I can use a rotary axes for the radiators on a Yak, but not on a 109 when in manual mode. Same goes with prop trim. Sure, I can program the prop pitch elsewhere on my HOTAS, but then I have to omit what would normally be my mixture, or flaps, or whatever. I play with an X-52 pro, and there are enough functions to cover just about all the essentials, but stuff like trim, prop pitch, radiators... if I want them on a rotary or a button for all types of aircraft it should be able to. 

 

Thanks for your time.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

i dont use the hotas's program to set up contols but just the basic buttons presses and there is more than enougth, for example i set all trim to two buttons, all radiator to...... and works fine. I may use key bindings for some things but not all

[Y-29.Silky]

I never noticed a difference. Haven't flown in a few days but my basic stabilizer controls function as my 190 elevators as well. I think they're just there for the options. Otherwise, I just bind them together.

[SharpeXB]

You can just assign these similar commands for different planes to the same keys since you won't be using them at the same time.

My trim up and trim down buttons assignments are the same for every plane.

[Cognac]

I do the same thing in many instances, like for radiators. Except that in the case of 109 radiators specifically, it doesn't work on a rotary. But the rads on a a Yak do. The prop pitch on a Stuka or Yak or IL-2 works on my slider or rotary, but not for the 190 or 109. I guess what I'm saying is that variable controls should work with button assignments or axes assignments for all models. I know little about programming, but I assume it should be possible given that it was present in 1946 and CoD, just for example.

[SharpeXB]

Well the prop control for the 109 and 190 aren't axis controls. So they couldn't be assigned to a rotary in any case.

[Sokol1]

 

 

I for one am quickly running out of space on my HOTAS.

 

Simplify the things, go to controls and map two keys, eg. arrow up and arrow down

for all kind of elevator/stabilizer trim -  no matter the name or plane all do the same thing: trim the plane nose attitude - then program in two buttons in your HOTAS.

 

Do the same for other trim functions.

 

An use the same principle  - two keys, e.g 3, 4 - for water radiator, outlet shutter (La5), "something" in Fw190... all these names do the same function: control engine temperature. Again, two HOTAS buttons control all.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

i think op is used to more complex settings and stuck in that thought train. I think my x52 is overkill in terms of programming for bos

 

no offence meant and of course if u can take advantage of the programming please do

 

sometimes simple is best and yes the axis vs button thing is there but i think axis is wrong for trim but that another convo

Edited December 25, 2014 by AeroAce

[Cognac]

Well the prop control for the 109 and 190 aren't axis controls. So they couldn't be assigned to a rotary in any case.

 

 

Simplify the things, go to controls and map two keys, eg. arrow up and arrow down

for all kind of elevator/stabilizer trim -  no matter the name or plane all do the same thing: trim the plane nose attitude - then program in two buttons in your HOTAS.

 

Do the same for other trim functions.

 

An use the same principle  - two keys, e.g 3, 4 - for water radiator, outlet shutter (La5), "something" in Fw190... all these names do the same function: control engine temperature. Again, two HOTAS buttons control all.

Again. I did all that. I'm talking about assigning controls to axes. I have trim wheels and a thumb slider, which I can use to control things like prop pitch or radiators or whatever. This is easier than using buttons because the wheels provide a physical real world point of reference to the position of the control being actuated. For example, I know the rad on a Yak is at 75% open based on the position of the thumb slider on my throttle. But it doesn't work for the 109. It doesn't matter if I assign the same button to control regular radiators and 109 radiators, because the 109 rads DO NOT RECOGNIZE AXES. Only buttons. Conversely, Yak, Lagg, and Stuka radiators recognise the rotaries. And yes, I know that the prop pitch on German fighters were operated electrically from a button on the throttle, versus an axis, but that's not my point. As to trim, 190 trim does no recognise imput from an axes, only buttons, which Stuka trim recognises both. Get it?

 

And yes, simple IS best. Which is my point. If a control can be assigned to a rotary and/or a button on one type, it should be possible on all. And I'm not using the Saitek/Madcat software. I'm doing it all inside the game settings. Way easier. 

Edited December 25, 2014 by Algernop_Krieger

[-TBC-AeroAce]

i get ur grip but i guess im the kinda person that trues to make it work with what iv got, hence sacrfising axis etc. iv got it to work for me, im not saying its perfect but if i can do on x52 u should be ok

[150GCT_Pag]

The 109 had no control on radiators, so the pilot can't manage them... the standard position is Automatic, the pilot can switch manual control only for Full close (i.e. in a dive to gain speed), or Full Open, or in a third position that block the radiator flaps in the current position, with non other possibility for different settings.

So a command in a rotary would no help 

[Yakdriver]

...and would be inaccurate indeed!

seems if an axis is not an option, then this reflects real life.
back in the day, when you had Spits using Flaps on an axis... "combat Flaps" where in reality there was only an up or down position....
damn cheaters...

[Uriah]

As eluded to in responses in this thread there is a reason for the difference.  Most of the German planes in real life had controls that were just operated by a button or leaver position but not an axis and or wheel or even a lever of gradual affect (throttle).  While most Allied planes and particularly Russian did not use 'buttons' but the controls were manual and on some kind of axis. 

 

The result for me is that for those controls that do have an axis I have that assigned to my CH THROTTLE QUADRANT but for the German planes I have to have keys assigned.  Before some of these combat flight sims were so detailed and before I had any extra controls the keys buttons were fine but could be a pain for those things that really did have a gradual change. 

[Sokol1]

 

 

 Most of the German planes in real life had controls that were just operated by a button or leaver position but not an axis and or wheel or even a lever of gradual affect (throttle).

 

Uriah, 

 

This logic is not logical.

 

Bf 109 use wheels for control flaps, trim, water radiator (0 a 100%) and lever (0 a 100%) for oil radiator (so you can consider these, for game proposes, as "axis).

Same for Stuka and He 111.

 

Only Fw 190 use electric switch's commands instead wheels or levers (so you can consider these, for game purpose, as "keys").

 

So, most o German planes - from those in the game - use ... axis.

 

There's no logic in the way the commands are implemented for various functions/planes... so don't bother with this and adapt the command table for personal preferences is the best to do. (IMO).

[Bearcat]

I agree. I understand the notion of keeping it like it was but if it was implemented with a wheel, knob, valve or a lever it should IMO be programmable to a slider.