"Red" and "Blue," a request

[LukeFF]

Guys, I know old habits die hard, but can we please drop the "Red" and "Blue" terminology when referring to BoS? That's not the way the game's engine works - your side is defined as "blue," and the enemy side is defined as "red." So, saying "I fly red (or blue) only" isn't going to mean anything with BoS. Certainly no one uses that sort of terminology in ROF, either.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Ah yeah, I kinda forgot about that. Lol. But sometimes ill still call entante red. Old babits die hard I guess.

[FuriousMeow]

Never understood that during the entire time I played the old Il-2 series (which was from demo to the last official patch). The only time I said I played for a color, it was when I actually played for a color - Confirmed Kill/Warbirds. In AH I played for Knights. In Il-2 series I played whatever plane was available on that server that I wanted to play, color or side didn't matter (unless one side was outnumbered then I played the side with less numbers).

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Ummm! But what if I want to fly for the Red Airforce? It will match the colour of the stars on the side of my plane!  Though I am a bit uncomfortable using the term "Fascist Dogs" instead of "Blue",  I will if the majority of the community or the developers decide to use the term.

 

 

That's not the way the game's engine works - your side is defined as "blue," and the enemy side is defined as "red." So, saying "I fly red (or blue) only" isn't going to mean anything with BoS. Certainly no one uses that sort of terminology in ROF, either.

LukeFF, Have the developers actually told us what the colours of the markers on the map?  Can you give a link to the post or is that just a cary-on from ROF? I must have missed it. 

 

For me the Red and Blue  are part of the Il2 culture that streches back about 12 years. The terms were made in original game with the Russian side as Red, simple as that. For me BoS is closer to the original game than anyother release in the series. Why change that culture now? 

Edited September 19, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger

[LukeFF]

LukeFF, Have the developers actually told us what the colours of the markers on the map?  Can you give a link to the post or is that just a cary-on from ROF? I must have missed it. 

 

Yes, it was mentioned by Loft: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=9637

 

Opponents will have the same color as in "IL-2" or in RoF?

 

The enemy will have red color always. On the other side is always the bad guys, but on this side of the comrades-in-arms, regardless of the selected side.

[JtD]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?p=9637

 

Check the 8th answer. Not sure this is definite.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Cheers Guys,

 

I had missed that post, It will be interesting to see what terminology develops!

 

Yes, it was mentioned by Loft: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=9637

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?p=9637

Check the 8th answer. Not sure this is definite.

[LukeFF]

It will be interesting to see what terminology develops!

 

Hopefully much more normal terms like Allied, Axis, Germans, Soviets, Russians, etc. 

[Volkoff]

Thank you for bringing this up. I don't have an Il2 multiplayer background, so I was wondering what this red and blue business was all about. 

[Allons]

Guys, I know old habits die hard, but can we please drop the "Red" and "Blue" terminology when referring to BoS? That's not the way the game's engine works - your side is defined as "blue," and the enemy side is defined as "red." So, saying "I fly red (or blue) only" isn't going to mean anything with BoS. Certainly no one uses that sort of terminology in ROF, either.

 

Excellent idea, i propose we all are flying for green side, so dark green stays here with me and light green pls goes over where the green star is shown..

[theOden]

Soviet e-Pilot I'll be then.

Actually, I had a hard time to understand "Red" and "Blue" when I first made sporadic contact with IL2 (never been too much into props until lately) but now I think I'll have to work for dropping it - oh ze human mind.

But this would be a good change.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Red vs Blue or Blue vs Red, familiar thinking in WP or NATO terms of the cold war ( i was a NATO soldier,in the 80s)....

Thats the reason Maddox choose RED for the soviets in original IL2 more than a decade away now.

 

And im not sure ,you should ask russians, but i can imagine if the modern russian forces.are still giving themselves the red colour ( beeing the good guys) in exercices ?!

Edited September 19, 2013 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[Crow]

The Red v Blue thing really was never a requirement in IL-2. You could put whichever planes you wanted on whichever side in the FMB. You didn't even have to use Red or Blue in your mission. You could have the Green team fight the White team. The community just naturally evolved that way of thinking and talking about the game because it made it easy. It was much easier to say "Red" than "Soviets" or "Russians" or "Allied" especially for non-native English speakers.

 

Old habits die hard and I expect my squad and I will continue calling the sides "red" and "blue" for quite a long time. That is until someone comes up with a catchy, clever nickname for each team.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

During the Spanish Civil War made ​​perfect sense.
Red for the color of the communist flags and Blue for the color of the shirts worn by the falangists (fascist).
Don´t know if this is the origin of this terminology.

 

Saludos Costa.

Edited September 19, 2013 by 15[Span]/Costa

[Matze81]

That is until someone comes up with a catchy, clever nickname for each team.

How about "us" and "them"?

[Sim]

BLUEFOR vs OPFOR

[JtD]

The Red v Blue thing really was never a requirement in IL-2...

It was with ground targets and scripted servers. Some things only supported Army0 and Army1. But I guess the habit comes from the single player mode, where Axis were blue and Allies red, no other choice. It carried over into multi player. Sorry for the partial quote, no harm intended. Edited September 19, 2013 by JtD

[Crow]

It was with ground targets and scripted servers. Some things only supported Army0 and Army1. But I guess the habit comes from the single player mode, where Axis were blue and Allies red, no other choice. It carried over into multi player. Sorry for the partial quote, no harm intended.

Oh, good point. I just realized I haven't made an IL-2 mission in almost 5 years now... My last missions were dogfight practice mission for my squad, so I forgot all about that  ground target requirement. I seem to recall you could still put aircraft from Axis or Allied on either color though, right?

Edited September 19, 2013 by Crow

[JtD]

Yes, you could fly pink vs. purple.

[leitmotiv]

I would like Red and Black

[Tektolnes]

Red v Blue is standard language used by il-2 players for years. It's a handy quick way of saying allied or axis across all theatres. Trying to request that people drop it's usage because it maybe isn't totally logical or that's not how it was done in ROF is going to be pretty futile unless somebody comes up with an equally simple and catchy substitute that catches on.

[Rodolphe]

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As a recall, Bleu vs Red "differentiation" is distinctly present in the RoF QMG. 

 

 

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[ACG_Dickie]

I'm a Crystal Palace fan,  so being either red or blue has always been tough on me  

 

Edited September 19, 2013 by Osprey

[AndyJWest]

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As a recall, Bleu vs Red "differentiation" is distinctly present in the RoF QMG. 

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It is. And regardless of which side you fly for, you are 'Blue'. Unlike in IL-2 '46.

[VeryOldMan]

I will call the sides what I want, and it wil be RED for soviets and blue for german.     Reds  being  against the soviets sounds completely wrong.

[ImPeRaToR]

If you look at tactical markings and national insignia it should primarily be yellow vs red imo

[VeryOldMan]

Ever heard of Prussian Blue? Blue is  related historically to prussia, so nothign wrong with the colors.

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Blue has meant Axis planes to me for so long I don't know if I can change it(I'd still be on teamspeak saying I'm flying red tonight or vise versa.) It's just that entrenched in my head.

[arjisme]

Red v Blue is standard language used by il-2 players for years. It's a handy quick way of saying allied or axis across all theatres. Trying to request that people drop it's usage because it maybe isn't totally logical or that's not how it was done in ROF is going to be pretty futile unless somebody comes up with an equally simple and catchy substitute that catches on.

There's no hard requirement that you stop using the red/blue terminology the way you are used to. But good luck with that. There are lots of experienced IL-2 players that play RoF and there haven't been any issues with the RoF convention. It actually works pretty well because no matter what side you fly, you always know the enemy are red. For folks who will only fly for one side, I can see them not liking it since their opponent in IL-2 was always the same color. But for those who enjoy flying for either side, this is an improvement since your opponent will always be the same color: red.

[FuriousMeow]

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As a recall, Bleu vs Red "differentiation" is distinctly present in the RoF QMG. ...

 

This just reminded me of a bar discussion/argument.

 

Is it bleu cheese or blue cheese? Everyone to the google machines!

[LukeFF]

Old habits die hard and I expect my squad and I will continue calling the sides "red" and "blue" for quite a long time. That is until someone comes up with a catchy, clever nickname for each team.

 

And you'll be thoroughly confusing people who don't have an extensive background with the original IL2. 

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As a recall, Bleu vs Red "differentiation" is distinctly present in the RoF QMG. 

 

 

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I never said it wasn't. What I'm referring to is denoting "red" as referring to Allied nations and "blue" as Axis nations. You can put any aircraft from any nation on either side in ROF's QMB. All that screen shows is that the player's side is always blue and the enemy's side is always red.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

I will call the sides what I want, and it wil be RED for soviets and blue for german.     Reds  being  against the soviets sounds completely wrong.

Agree

Edited September 19, 2013 by 15[Span]/Costa

[FuriousMeow]

I always thought Axis and Allied sounded more appropriate in WWII, or the actual country the airforce belonged to, much more so than red and blue.

[Bearcat]

Guys, I know old habits die hard, but can we please drop the "Red" and "Blue" terminology when referring to BoS? That's not the way the game's engine works - your side is defined as "blue," and the enemy side is defined as "red." So, saying "I fly red (or blue) only" isn't going to mean anything with BoS. Certainly no one uses that sort of terminology in ROF, either.

 

I have yet play RoF online and never noticed it online.... good to know.

[LukeFF]

Ever heard of Prussian Blue? Blue is  related historically to prussia, so nothing wrong with the colors.

 

Of course I have, and red and blue is fine for IL2. It doesn't work for ROF or BOS. It means nothing there except to denote friend or foe.

 

Sheesh, some of you guys are acting like I'm asking you to quit smoking.