I really thinks this game need free play package.

[Agilepig]

I feel this game have few user pool when I play multiplay. Finding new players is not easy. I want to this game be a good franchiese and for that, I think this game need bigger user pool.

 

I have friends who have interest about IL-2 BoS, but they want to know about this game before they buy. Everytime I told to them "STFU. Just buy. You will be happy!" 

I love BoS, but there is no late WW2 aircraft yet(Yet. I believe this game have good future like IL-2 1946), so I bought DCS: Bf109K-4, Fw190D-9, P-51D yesterday. Now I can understand what they afraid. These games make me disappointed. BIG, HUGE disappointed. P-51D is climbing like Bf109, turning like Spitfire, have titnanium wing, but Bf109K-4 is a just crap. It ignore lots of datas. The onlything good is clickable cockpit control. Yeap, I now. DCS: Bf109K-4 is still in prograss and it is beta. I understand. But how about Fw190D-9? It is not better than Bf109K-4.

 

A lots of flight simulation players want to know about BoS, but this game is not cheap to buy and forget. They want gurantee and test this game before they spent money.

 

 

This is my conclusion.

IL-2 BoS need free package to be a more great game. I think 777 make some aircraft for free like Bf109E-7 and LaGG-3 with M-105P engine, and open these aircrafts for free. The people who have interest about BoS will play this free package and they will understand IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad's AWESOMENESS.

 

 

How do you think guys?

Edited December 22, 2014 by =Bout1=Gomwolf_K_

[Yakdriver]

youtube.

forums

metacritic and others

steam reduced proce sales

The russian version costs 12 bucks

 

There are enough sources of information, enough sorts of options.

If that's not enough... if that's too much "RISK"

12 small bucks and a bit of effort to get such a licence

 

Then they are not interested indeed?

Edited December 22, 2014 by Yakdriver

[Matt]

And that russian version for 12 bucks has all languages? Has that been confirmed?

I doubt that meta-critic or reading these forums would convince people to buy BoS. Quite the contrary.

 

Anyway, i agree with the OP. As long as you can't buy each plane seperately, having a free-to-play mode for BoS would make sense.

 

LaGG-3 and 109 G-2 perhaps (since it's worse than the F-4) without the possibility to get any unlocks (which also means no bombs in this case) would be alright i think.

[Bearcat]

I feel this game have few user pool when I play multiplay. Finding new players is not easy. I want to this game be a good franchiese and for that, I think this game need bigger user pool.

 

I have friends who have interest about IL-2 BoS, but they want to know about this game before they buy. Everytime I told to them "STFU. Just buy. You will be happy!" 

I love BoS, but there is no late WW2 aircraft yet(Yet. I believe this game have good future like IL-2 1946), so I bought DCS: Bf109K-4, Fw190D-9, P-51D yesterday. Now I can understand what they afraid. These games make me disappointed. BIG, HUGE disappointed. P-51D is climbing like Bf109, turning like Spitfire, have titnanium wing, but Bf109K-4 is a just crap. It ignore lots of datas. The onlything good is clickable cockpit control. Yeap, I now. DCS: Bf109K-4 is still in prograss and it is beta. I understand. But how about Fw190D-9? It is not better than Bf109K-4.

 

A lots of flight simulation players want to know about BoS, but this game is not cheap to buy and forget. They want gurantee and test this game before they spent money.

 

 

This is my conclusion.

IL-2 BoS need free package to be a more great game. I think 777 make some aircraft for free like Bf109E-7 and LaGG-3 with M-105P engine, and open these aircrafts for free. The people who have interest about BoS will play this free package and they will understand IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad's AWESOMENESS.

 

 

How do you think guys?

 

There are no guarantees. The best they can do is buy the standard version NOW or before Jan 2 at it's current very good price of $45. That is what you should tell them. I think that BoS is too new for a F2P mode. Eventually that may be how it goes but who knows. RoF was not always free to play and initially the aircraft and mods cost a lot more. I think that because there is a greater intrest in WWII things may not follow the exact route with BoS timewise .. but who knows. Their pricing is fine as it is and I would not be surprised , or upset at all if it dropped down to the current sale price as the normal price a year from now or if they came out with a F2P two plane version on the small map.

[JtD]

Just recently I again offered a friend a copy for free and he still wouldn't take it. He's refuses to play games on his PC that need to be permanently online. A free package would not change that, you could probably pay him and he wouldn't take it. So I'd get people to play, if there was

- no permanent internet connection

- a better, simpler, more user friendly GUI

- a playable campaign (that's what I'd need to play).

Money doesn't really matter, I'd even be willing to give copies as a present for my friends, in particular as it's Christmas and there's a Christmas sale. There's just no use in buying further unused copies.

[1./JG42Nephris]

Can s.o. provide a link for the "3 Penny Ivan" Version?

[J2_Trupobaw]

I agree and always have been. The main strength of this sim, the planes handling and flight modelling, cannot be transferred via youtube videos. Without taking stick in a hand people see a game with planes, and realistic gameplay modes. 

I believe the free to play version should have the features that BoS had year ago... LaGG, Bf-109F, Lapino map, some single missions and maybe QMB. *Maybe* full multiplayer capability with these two planes, too. Enough to take off, down few AIs, land, see what flying in BoS is like.

Edited December 22, 2014 by Trupobaw

[BlackDevil]

no permanent internet connection- a better, simpler, more user friendly GUI- as.

You dont accept the offline mode ?

 

even more user friendly ? Never heard such a complain before

[=LD=Penshoon]

Remember when games used to have demos? A demo version with the LaGG-3 and limited QMB access could be nice and nostalgic.

 

Also a offer on the steam holiday sale could bring in many new guys. 

 

I think the market for flightsims has gotten much bigger the last months with the new space sims like Elite: Dangerous and Star citizen gaining a lot of attention. (take a look at Elites forums, it scrolls like crazy!) The guys playing those games have already bought the flight sim gear such as hotas setups and trackir so if the game is cheap to try they might get involved here as well. 

Edited December 22, 2014 by =LD=Penshoon

[Agilepig]

Some of person around me who bought IL-2 BoS, they refund it. The reason is 'Game is good, but too little person in there.'

 

Yes. The players who start flight simulation game with IL-2 1946 series or before, IL-2 BoS user pool is not problem. And they are familiar with mission play like syndicate server like me. But lots of new players who start with War Thunder Simulator, they want dogfight. And there is no players in Dogfight servers in these days.

 

I think lot's of people in this forum do not like War Thunder like me. But we have to deal with it. War Thunder Simulator is the biggest part of WW2 combat flight simulation genre. It wouldn'tbeanoverstatementtosayitis the new hope of WW2 combat flight simulation genre. If IL-2 BoS want to be more great, we have to drag more people from War Thunder Simulator.

 

And I think free to play package is the solution of this problem. If free to play package players be problem, we can make server for free to play game player only.

Edited December 22, 2014 by =Bout1=Gomwolf_K_

[StG77_Kondor]

Remember when games used to have demos? 

 

I remember a certain demo released in the fall of 2001 (with just 2 flyable planes) that convinced everyone still trudging along in CFS2 to make the move. 

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I have no strong feelings one way or another.  I can understand the devs possible reasoning for no F2P.  People would get the 1 or 2 free fighters and never buy into the rest.  If there were a F2P version to get people interested it should be with a non-fighting aircraft such as the Fieseler Storch Fi 156.  This would allow them to experience the beauty of the game, physics, etc.  Maybe only sp mode also.

[Agilepig]

That is why I suggest Bf109E-7 and LaGG-3 with M-105P engine. These aircraft can fight with othe fighter aircraft, but very low performance. When they understand awesomeness of IL-2 BoS, they cannot satisfied what they got.

[dhillr]

For the purpose of making this game popular, not a bad idea. The game is too good to be forgotten for wannabe pilots. :D  Dev might consider this with the expansion coming up next.  oh my..

All of sudden I really really want to hear about the expansion plan with new theaters & 8~10 new planes.

Edited December 23, 2014 by dhillr

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

That is why I suggest Bf109E-7 and LaGG-3 with M-105P engine. These aircraft can fight with othe fighter aircraft, but very low performance. When they understand awesomeness of IL-2 BoS, they cannot satisfied what they got.

Yeah, I would love to see the E-7. The MC.202 would also make for a rather good starter pack however (although it's not native).

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

A free to play with a LaGG and a 109 , SP and MP and only unlocks of any other plane when/if you buy the full version.What good would SP campaign be if you couldn't unlock the two planes you have?  Good Idea, true it would be going more the ROF way, sort of. But I did like that,buy what you need only or buy it all. (<Ducks> don't throw things at me! And yes I bought the handguns and streamers too  )!  A BOS starter edition, nice idea. 7771C should look into to this.

[theOden]

So the CPR has begun?

[Yakdriver]

well they did it in RoF and decided *not* to do it again... so...

[CorsairHundo]

Maybe it's an age thing, but my desire for wwII sims is from the history of that era and the outcome of the war. I don't see how BOS compares with a space ship "game" like elite dangerous but to each his own

 

As far as f2p dcs has it with the p-51 non combat and the from.

 

 

 

Remember when games used to have demos? A demo version with the LaGG-3 and limited QMB access could be nice and nostalgic.

 

Also a offer on the steam holiday sale could bring in many new guys.

 

I think the market for flightsims has gotten much bigger the last months with the new space sims like Elite: Dangerous and Star citizen gaining a lot of attention. (take a look at Elites forums, it scrolls like crazy!) The guys playing those games have already bought the flight sim gear such as hotas setups and trackir so if the game is cheap to try they might get involved here as well.

 

Edited December 23, 2014 by CorsairHundo

[OhhhhChihuahua]

Well,

 

Defienietly not enough MP players. That was the first unpleasant surprise for me. I was expecting at least 10 full servers in the evening. There are max two.

 

Don't know about free package but the devs need to do something about it.

[Agilepig]

I didn't play RoF, but I heard something. They give SPAD S.XIII and Albatros D.Va for free. These two aircrafts are late WW1 aircrafts and strong enough to play the game. So they do not need more good aircraft! This is the reason why RoF F2P sales failed. The point of F2P sales is 'playable like anyother players, but not enough.'

 

That is the reason why I suggest Bf109E-7 and LaGG-3 with M-105P. We can play this game with that aircrafts like all other people, but these are not enough.

[=LD=Penshoon]

Maybe it's an age thing, but my desire for wwII sims is from the history of that era and the outcome of the war. I don't see how BOS compares with a space ship "game" like elite dangerous but to each his own

 

I am interested in both, even if one is a historical sim and the other a fictional one. Hollywood space fiction in general has borrowed a lot from ww2 air war like in Star wars and so I think there are some similarities. 

 

Maybe the interests in the genres might not exactly overlap as much as I think but at least their community seems much much closer to us than say Euro truck simulator or goat simulator. Elite:D have a thread here in the free subject subforum witch have been very active so there are some overlap in the interests from our side.

 

Also their community average age is above the norm in gaming, looking at this thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/poll.php?pollid=41&do=showresults shows their most are in the age bracket of 30-50 witch is very unusual for games in general and is also a trait shared with this community. 

 

Reading their forums many sooo impressed in their flight models fidelity, my opinion is that it can't even closely compare to what we have here 

[Yakdriver]

I didn't play RoF, but I heard something. They give SPAD S.XIII and Albatros D.Va for free. These two aircrafts are late WW1 aircrafts and strong enough to play the game. So they do not need more good aircraft! This is the reason why RoF F2P sales failed. The point of F2P sales is 'playable like anyother players, but not enough.'

 

That is the reason why I suggest Bf109E-7 and LaGG-3 with M-105P. We can play this game with that aircrafts like all other people, but these are not enough.

Yea - something that lets you take a look, take a few flights, but has you in a David vs Goliath Situation.

an E7 might even be too much.

An ishak maybe, or  an R-10?

Or a Fiesler Storch as suggested - spotting on the front, and looking how the Stukas dive in and Bomb the crap out of the enemy arty positions. Also a good Plane to "feel" the FM... :D

[Matt]

Last time i flew online, the SPAD XIII was not exactly one of the most popular planes around. The D.Va was popular, but a pretty bad performer compared to the other planes (atleast before the most recent update). And this F2P was added a long time after the release of RoF.

 

If F2P failed (has that been stated anywhere by the devs?), it was perhaps for different reasons. Single plane releases, together with regular, massive discounts were probably a worse idea. Picking just the most popular or best planes (especially those strict dogfight servers) required less than 10-15 EUR during a sale total. 

 

I bought almost all the planes for a regular price (and not because i was too impatient to wait for a discount), but when it becomes common knowledge that after some weeks, the price will be down by 70%, it doesn't really create the biggest profit. Especially if you consider the pretty low price in the first place (at least for single seaters).

 

So i think their original plan to go with bigger expansion sets (map + planes) would make way more sense. But a F2P mode wouldn't hurt.

[Warpig]

No Free to play please! It only attracts kids that otherwise wouldn't even care to play such a game. Next, they'll start demanding mouse controls with ridiculous handicaps because game is "too hard" and War Thunder has "awsome mouse aiming" fly-by-wire system.

 

All of my No's! No, No, No, No!!!!!!!!!!!!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

No Free to play please! It only attracts kids that otherwise wouldn't even care to play such a game. Next, they'll start demanding mouse controls with ridiculous handicaps because game is "too hard" and War Thunder has "awsome mouse aiming" fly-by-wire system.

 

All of my No's! No, No, No, No!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got back into the good Sims with the RoF Free Pack. These Kids do that once or twice, crowd the Dogfight Servers, get bored and leave. Some people are unsure, they have to set themselves up, get a bit of training, get back into the swing, like I did. The reason this game has the Dogfight Servers are Newbies and Trolls.

[Agilepig]

No Free to play please! It only attracts kids that otherwise wouldn't even care to play such a game. Next, they'll start demanding mouse controls with ridiculous handicaps because game is "too hard" and War Thunder has "awsome mouse aiming" fly-by-wire system.

 

All of my No's! No, No, No, No!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You have to deal with it. Game is the business for 1C and 777. So if you want more packages, battle grounds, modules and aircrafts further, they have to make profits. For that need much more new players who you don't like.

 

Remember IL-2 1946. There is lot's of new players after release 1946 in 2006, most of them became a good virtual pilots.

[J2_Trupobaw]

The steam forums in RoF and BoS are full of "Considering buying, need advice" threads by various people, with details ranging from "how realistic it is" through "is my rig/stick good enough for it" to  "Is it to difficult for me"? In RoF, after answering their question they can be advised to get F2P version and see for themselves.  They usually say they'll give it a try, and some come back to ask how best to play now that they bought the game. In BoS, the discussions are much more heated, with people making point of warning potential customers to not buy the game. The messy disagreement is enough to put off prospective buyers - not only they have to ask how good game is and believe us on our word, but they see contradictory answers and hostility and decide game is to risky to spend 60$ on blindly. I'd probably do the same myself. If they could be told "get F2P, see for yourself", I believe many would buy the game afterwards, as they do with RoF.

We have to accept that BoS is not to everyone's liking, and some people can't see past its shortcomings. It's to much of love or hate subject to ask people to buy it blindly. Most people who made point of crusading against this title have bought it and regretted it. In long run, we want people who buy BoS to be people capable of enjoying it.  Each player who tries F2P version and decides it's arcade / not true successor to holy 1946 / buggy unrealistic mess will not buy it, save 60$, spare himself rage on badly spent money and won't come back scaring off people who could like it. Each player who is confused by controversy around the game but tries F2P version and decides he likes BoS enough to buy it is a winner. Finally, guy saing "this game sucks, don't spend 60$ on it" is far more convincing than saying "This game sucks, don't try it for free". If prospective players could be sent to F2P version, we could win ones that can be won over. 
 

Edited December 25, 2014 by Trupobaw

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Give them access to the LaGG-3 and bam.

[BraveSirRobin]

Give them access to the LaGG-3 and bam.

 

We'll never see them again.  If they're giving free access they should give them the IL2.  Then noobs get to blow stuff up, and we get lots of noob targets.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

We'll never see them again.  If they're giving free access they should give them the IL2.  Then noobs get to blow stuff up, and we get lots of noob targets.

Or not? Fighters draw in newbies like nothing else.

[Dutch]

Nope. I paid a lot of money for this pice of shit. You want to give it away???

 

wel, yeah, ok then.

 

Stop pissing about with this score thru shit you fascists.

Edited December 25, 2014 by Dutch

[Dutch]

_{So anyway, the wife bought the entire first series of 'Game of Thrones'. Never seen it before, but the first four episodes were pretty good. Apart from all the gratuitous sex and nipples and that.}

 

_{(....ooh, she has nice nipples...oooh.....)}

 

_{Why is it that 'Sean Bean' is in all of these HBO series? How come all the characters have Northern English accents?  How come there are no Scousers (no, I can answer that, they're not really English).}

 

_{How come this was so successful In the US of A, when none of you can understand English?}

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

_{So anyway, the wife bought the entire first series of 'Game of Thrones'. Never seen it before, but the first four episodes were pretty good. Apart from all the gratuitous sex and nipples and that.}

 

_{(....ooh, she has nice nipples...oooh.....)}

 

_{Why is it that 'Sean Bean' is in all of these HBO series? How come all the characters have Northern English accents?  How come there are no Scousers (no, I can answer that, they're not really English).}

 

_{How come this was so successful In the US of A, when none of you can understand English?}

Remember, kids, say "No" to drugs.

[Yakdriver]

A buddy of mine got GoT, just like you... from his wife

3 Months later they divorced - She told me she rather have him watch such things than touch her with ten foot pole.

LOLed...