Macchi 202?205?

[PA-Sniv]

She's gorgeous!!!!

 

[SR-F_Winger]

ABSOLUTELY.

Extremely diffrent from only the untexturized model. Really pretty!

[BeastyBaiter]

IIN8II,

 

Do you have a quote or thread saying no P-40? Not saying it didn't happed but I don't recall reading that.

 

On the other hand, I'd be surprised if there was no P-39 in the next full release. I can wait on the P-40.

 

Same, this is the first such claim I've seen.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

She's gorgeous!!!!

You know, scrap all those Boeings and Airbuses. This is what I want to travel with! One step closer to the flyable Ju 52

 

Shes truely beautyfull!

Edited December 22, 2014 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[IIN8II]

IIN8II,

 

Do you have a quote or thread saying no P-40? Not saying it didn't happed but I don't recall reading that.

 

On the other hand, I'd be surprised if there was no P-39 in the next full release. I can wait on the P-40.

It would take some serious digging to find them because the p-40 has been requested in so many threads, but I remember reading a few replies from the dev team that said no p-40 in the plans as well as a similar response in a steam thread.

 

I'm sure it doesn't mean never, but not anytime soon.

[LLv24_Zami]

Ju-52 looks really good! Looking forward to shoot them down

[ShamrockOneFive]

I would agree with that, the P-40 is an obvious choice for a new VVS fighter. Though admittedly it might present unique challenges for modeling, given its unique engine placement and center of mass. On the other hand, RoF has pusher planes, so we know the engine can handle unusual airplane layouts.

 

Also, wouldn't the Yak-7 also be a good choice (and likely faster to implement, given how similar to the Yak-1 it was)? It flew over Stalingrad as far as I can tell, so it's a definite possibility.

 

As for fairness, that's really up to the mission designers I would say, and can be handled by managing airplane availability.

 

The Yak-7B was pretty active during the summer and winter parts of the Battle for Stalingrad... and it is very similar although not identical to the Yak-1 series. If some are suggesting a summer battle, the Yak-7B would be an ideal addition (434 IAP's defense of Stalingrad from Gumrak being a notable unit). I also wouldn't complain about the much heavier armament over the Yak-1

She's gorgeous!!!!

 

WOW! Looks great. This is definitely a good addition to the lineup. I would love to see a few more of these "strategic" types added (everyone can debate over flyable or not status later). They add more flavour to the world when you can transport and recon aircraft flying about.

[FlatSpinMan]

Oh this would be good. I hope they can release this follow-up.

[Jaws2002]

Mc202 flew on eastern front especially over Stalingrad area

 

 

Actually the 12 c.202s that were present on Eastern front, were far from Stalingrad and mostly sitting in repair shops. Only ONE sortie was flown by C202 in the Stalingrad area and never met an enemy.

 

Compare that with the fifty plus IAR-80/81s present in Stalingrad area, and their involvement in the Battles there

_{1386 sorties flown in}

_{415 missions}

_{30 divebombing missions}

_{41 confirmed kills}

_{14 aircraft lost in combat: 8 in dogfights, 3 by AAA and 3 on the ground bombed by VVS bombers}

 

_{I scratch my head trying to figure out a reason for that, but not much makes sense anymore.}

[PB0_Foxy]

Stop scratching your head and just accept the fact they choose the MC 202 instead of the IAR ...

Personally I'm happy with IAR or MC202. Any new plane is welcome for me.

 

If we're looking statistics only then IAR should be the best choice (compare to the MC202) for Stalingrad. But it looks like they've choosen the Macchi and they have their reasons for that

Edited December 22, 2014 by PB0_Foxy

[Danziger]

It seems like they said somewhere before that they had everything planned from the beginning. The reason that it seems like everyone's requests are not being fulfilled is probably because they are still finishing everything within their original plan. Once those things are finished I am sure we will be seeing other aircraft and maps coming. It just takes time. These are the guys that have been working on Rise of Flight which from what I understand started out with like two planes and one map.

[No601_Swallow]

She's gorgeous!!!!

 

 

Oh how could you not put a cockpit in something so lovely!

 

Devs, show you have a soul! 

[CIA_Yankee_]

Besides, trying to justify the IAR over the Macchi based on presence over the battlefield is kinda moot, considering we already have the La-5 and the FW-190...

 

Likely the Macchi was chosen for technical and/or marketing reasons (the Mc202 is likely of high interest for the italian market, for example).

[ShamrockOneFive]

I doubt that having a MC.202 precludes the ability for us to have the IAR80/81.

[URUAker]

Macchi makes sense if they are planning to add Africa.

I prefer the IAR but love the Machi

[Jaws2002]

Besides, trying to justify the IAR over the Macchi based on presence over the battlefield is kinda moot, considering we already have the La-5 and the FW-190...

 

Likely the Macchi was chosen for technical and/or marketing reasons (the Mc202 is likely of high interest for the italian market, for example).

 

 

Then why make a poll asking our opinion?

[No601_Prangster]

Which poll are you referring to Jaws2002? The IAR lost this poll against the 202 http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/

[Jaws2002]

Which poll are you referring to Jaws2002? The IAR lost this poll against the 202 http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/

 

They posted it on both forums. Combined, the IAR leads with some fifty votes and was always in the lead.

 

here's the Russian poll:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/409-kakoj-istrebitel-iz-stran-osi-interesen/

Edited December 22, 2014 by Jaws2002

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

_{I scratch my head trying to figure out a reason for that, but not much makes sense anymore.}

Ja, wohl.

 

JG77 flew those twelve... Only Geschwader to do so...

 

Aside from that, the Italian flown Machi's only flew a COUPLE DOZEN sorties on the Ostfront... Most of which met no particular success.

 

IAR makes soooooooo much more sense...

[LukeFF]

 

 

Besides, trying to justify the IAR over the Macchi based on presence over the battlefield is kinda moot, considering we already have the La-5 and the FW-190...

 

There were plenty of La-5s at Stalingrad. 

[Jason_Williams]

They posted it on both forums. Combined, the IAR leads with some fifty votes and was always in the lead.

 

here's the Russian poll:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/409-kakoj-istrebitel-iz-stran-osi-interesen/

 

Polls do not decide everything we do, they are an advisement to be considered. And when it comes to planes we sometimes have to consider what references we have to make such a plane and a combined vote difference of 50 is practically a dead heat. We also have to take into consideration the make up of our audience. How many Italians do we have in the community and how many Romanians? Many factors go into deciding what we build. We think the 202 will be a popular, interesting bird. There is a huge list of American planes I want built, I'm an American and one of the owners, but even I need to be patient and make careful business decisions.

 

Jason

[Yakdriver]

and if we would get a screenshot [only a screenshot!!] of a IAR80/81 model [Only the polygones!!!] then people would complain why no MC202 or Mig or Yak1B/7/7B/9/9T/9K... Why no emil... Why No LaGGS4...

 

How about anyone who is not happy with a screenshot of a MC202 model can not get it, either for free or for money.

Licence+ forum account + Ban to have Mc202 - ever

 

I would love to see that.

It's a new plane! you do not agree or not like it?

do not get it. simple.

 

If people had to live by what they say or write...
we would not need any entertainment at all - life yould be hilariously ridiculous.

 

that includes me obviously.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

They posted it on both forums. Combined, the IAR leads with some fifty votes and was always in the lead.

 

here's the Russian poll:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/409-kakoj-istrebitel-iz-stran-osi-interesen/

FTR, the English pole is almost the exact opposite and the 202 leads by 80'ish votes. It's a dead heat either way. It's not like it was one or the other, forever. Have some patience and appreciate what we get. You got a Lamborghini instead of the Porsche (I don't know what Romanian supercar to insert into this analogy)  .  

[Maxyman]

I'd be happy with a Yak-7, to be honest.

Or Yak-1B....

 

Has the decision on the Allied C202 counterpart been made?

Edited December 23, 2014 by Maxyman

[Danziger]

I'm sure we will find out with another teaser shot in the cosy reading room when it is ready.

[FuriousMeow]

Looking forward to any and all planes that will come out, and the 202 is a great plane. More of a 205 fan, due to the 20mms and the extra speed, but the 202 will be very nice.

[Jaws2002]

Polls do not decide everything we do, they are an advisement to be considered. And when it comes to planes we sometimes have to consider what references we have to make such a plane and a combined vote difference of 50 is practically a dead heat. We also have to take into consideration the make up of our audience. How many Italians do we have in the community and how many Romanians? Many factors go into deciding what we build. We think the 202 will be a popular, interesting bird. There is a huge list of American planes I want built, I'm an American and one of the owners, but even I need to be patient and make careful business decisions.

 

 

Jason

This was not about Romanians vs italians. It was about the plane that was actually there and yet another fairy-tale plane. If it was about Romanians and italians, why did the Russians voted so heavily in favour of the iar? It's because they know their history better and wanted a historical plane that can be used in missions and campaigns.

If the plane you decided to model is worthless in any kind of historical mission, you could have just as well done the Me262 and tempest. Because they are cool.

 

But a better question is why bother us with the poll if you were not going to care about the results anyway? All the excuses you posted above should have been known before you posted that specific poll.

 

 

You are right that polls don't decide everything around here....just look at the unlocks poll you posted yourself, the polls about graphics presets and so on.

Edited December 23, 2014 by Jaws2002

[SYN_Luftwaffles]

How in the world would you choose the inclusion of the Macchi before the inclusion of the IAR 80? I love the Macchi tremendously (probably my favorite fighter), but let's be realistic lol

[FlatSpinMan]

Maybe the IAR is in,too. We don't know what is planned,we've just seen a few screen shots of a WIP 3D model. There's no call for protestations about this kind of stuff.

Can anyone see why the Devs might be a little wary about posting here much these days?

[sturmkraehe]

If the IAR is in altogether with the 202 then the poll was entirely and absolutely futile. So I guess: No, only the 202 and that's it for BoS. If Kuban or whatever other scenario will come maybe we will see additional fighters. 

[Bullets]

Just the thought of the hurricane in this game.... Makes me want to be retired  

[LizLemon]

I wonder if we'll get a potez 630 before the 110.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Polls do not decide everything we do, they are an advisement to be considered. And when it comes to planes we sometimes have to consider what references we have to make such a plane and a combined vote difference of 50 is practically a dead heat. We also have to take into consideration the make up of our audience. How many Italians do we have in the community and how many Romanians? Many factors go into deciding what we build. We think the 202 will be a popular, interesting bird. There is a huge list of American planes I want built, I'm an American and one of the owners, but even I need to be patient and make careful business decisions.

 

Jason

 

How many Romanians how many Italians?....do you not have access to the sales figures?....

 

IL2: battle of Stalingrad is the name of this game..... not the battle of obscure ineffectual Italian fighters....BoS was a specific time,place and plane set(s) and your production should represent that unless you plan to change the name to RoF: battle of irrelevant disconnected A/C.

 

How many Russian aces flew P-39's? how many P-40's were sent to USSR under lend -lease? ill give you a clue....more than 12.... and that poll about iar80 or 202 is not really a poll it's you TELLING us what YOU want to build and then giving the illusion choice by letting us pick one... A real poll would have included all RELEVANT A/C that took part in the BoS. How do you expect the community to churn out historical content for the game when the pieces are missing and you are giving priority to irrelevant items....and if you were dead set on an Italian A/C the G.55 would have been a much better choice....great! match up for the LA5.

 

I wonder if we'll get a potez 630 before the 110.

shhhhh here is the next one they are making....I think

 

[FlatSpinMan]

Oddball, Liz, Sturm - give it a rest, please. Why all the aggression and negativity about a few screenshots? It seems like you are trying to find fault with the game.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Oddball, Liz, Sturm - give it a rest, please. Why all the aggression and negativity about a few screenshots? It seems like you are trying to find fault with the game.

 

I don't see that at all.

 

What I do see is another poor, inarticulate, uncoordinated, misdirected and non sequiter design decision coming out of the workshop.

 

Is this a Machi praise thread?

 

I had thought it was a topic for sensible discussion...

 

Oh joy, a Machi... Thanks 777!.. In Stalingrad... Where there were very few of them in Italian deployment... That there were only a dozen of in German deployment... That flew around 30-40 combat missions... That didn't make much of an impact in the theater...

Edited December 24, 2014 by FalkeEins

[Rjel]

All things being equal, the IAR-80 had a negligible impact also. Considering the massed air power available to Germans and Soviets, what the other minor Axis powers contributed was hardly of any import whether it was in a Macchi or an IAR machine.

 

I'll help sing the praises of the Mc.202 as I'm more than eager to fly it in this sim.

[FlatSpinMan]

I voted for the IAR as well for the same reasons as you, I just don't see any point in getting my panties in a twist about it. It's just a game. Anyway, enough of this. I have other things to do.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

All things being equal, the IAR-80 had a negligible impact also. Considering the massed air power available to Germans and Soviets, what the other minor Axis powers contributed was hardly of any import whether it was in a Macchi or an IAR machine.

 

I'll help sing the praises of the Mc.202 as I'm more than eager to fly it in this sim.

 

I am not talking about the impact it had on a long-lost war effort.

 

The IAR-80 existed in greater numbers, was deployed by many more squadrons, flew 100X more sorties...

 

Oh, you're here to sing praises on a plane that doesn't fit the theater at all? K then... 

I have other things to do.

 

[Rjel]

 

Oh, you're here to sing praises on a plane that doesn't fit the theater at all? K then... 

 

Sure will. It beats the hell out of finding fault at every turn. Besides, it's just so much fun tweaking some peoples' very predictable noses around here.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Sure will. It beats the hell out of finding fault at every turn. Besides, it's just so much fun tweaking some peoples' very predictable noses around here.