freedom of game play

[Bearcat]

So what you're saying is that you don't have things in BoS that you had in older sims? Usually when new sims/games come out you have more options, not less. Some people get defensive, sensitive when the sim is questioned. If you believe in your product, stand tall and answer questions with confidence. Everyone should respect that, if not then maybe it's time for Arma3 instead

 

The dedicated server is not released yet. That is what he is referring to. It is still being tested but it is due to be released relatively soon.  As for the highlighted part of your post... I am not sure if you mean me but I am not a developer.. I am just a volunteer moderator here. I have no inside track to the pulse of development and I bought the sim just like everyone else. I cannot tell them how to do what they do. Like me they have families and lives and need to eat so...

[CorsairHundo]

The dedicated server is not released yet. That is what he is referring to. It is still being tested but it is due to be released relatively soon.  As for the highlighted part of your post... I am not sure if you mean me but I am not a developer.. I am just a volunteer moderator here. I have no inside track to the pulse of development and I bought the sim just like everyone else. I cannot tell them how to do what they do. Like me they have families and lives and need to eat so...

That wasn't meant for you.

[LizLemon]

Of course we were also promised that the fmb would be available for everyone at launch. Plenty of people here were saying just wait, the fmb is around the corner. Then launch came and went with no fmb.

 

Then just over a month ago Jason says the fmb will come out this year, 90% sure!

 

Since then we have seen screenshots for new aircraft that you can buy. All the while no more news on one of the most requested features for this game - one that was promised to us how many months ago?

 

Does anyone want to take bets on when the fmb will actually be here? Or if you want to be really adventurous, how about the d-server?

 

Maybe 777 is better at pr on the russian forum, but their communication here is awful. And the repeated delays and missed promises of basic features in a flight sim only combines with the removed features and idiotic design decisions to create the environment you see here and elsewhere.

 

If you still take 777 at their word, then great for you bearcat. But as I see it there are more reasons to be pessimisstic about this game and its future then there are reasons to blindly trust these developers.

 

All I know is that I wont make the mistake of buying anything early access from 777 again.

Edited December 21, 2014 by LizLemon

[vonPilsner]

They pretty much saved the WWI flight sim genre.  I trust 777 just fine.

 

[Bearcat]

Of course we were also promised that the fmb would be available for everyone at launch. Plenty of people here were saying just wait, the fmb is around the corner. Then launch came and went with no fmb.

Then just over a month ago Jason says the fmb will come out this year, 90% sure!

Since then we have seen screenshots for new aircraft that you can buy. All the while no more news on one of the most requested features for this game - one that was promised to us how many months ago?

Does anyone want to take bets on when the fmb will actually be here? Or if you want to be really adventurous, how about the d-server?

Maybe 777 is better at pr on the russian forum, but their communication here is awful. And the repeated delays and missed promises of basic features in a flight sim only combines with the removed features and idiotic design decisions to create the environment you see here and elsewhere.

If you still take 777 at their word, then great for you bearcat. But as I see it there are more reasons to be pessimisstic about this game and its future then there are reasons to blindly trust these developers.

All I know is that I wont make the mistake of buying anything early access from 777 again.

 

That of course is your choice. 

[Danziger]

Of course we were also promised that the fmb would be available for everyone at launch. Plenty of people here were saying just wait, the fmb is around the corner. Then launch came and went with no fmb.

 

Then just over a month ago Jason says the fmb will come out this year, 90% sure!

 

Since then we have seen screenshots for new aircraft that you can buy. All the while no more news on one of the most requested features for this game - one that was promised to us how many months ago?

 

Does anyone want to take bets on when the fmb will actually be here? Or if you want to be really adventurous, how about the d-server?

 

Maybe 777 is better at pr on the russian forum, but their communication here is awful. And the repeated delays and missed promises of basic features in a flight sim only combines with the removed features and idiotic design decisions to create the environment you see here and elsewhere.

 

If you still take 777 at their word, then great for you bearcat. But as I see it there are more reasons to be pessimisstic about this game and its future then there are reasons to blindly trust these developers.

 

All I know is that I wont make the mistake of buying anything early access from 777 again.

Why are you even here? If you don't like it, don't play it.  As far as I know, nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to play BoS.

 

I like Italian food but I can't stand The Olive Garden. I don't like the food or the service at my particular location. I just don't eat there. I don't hang out in the waiting area telling people how much The Olive Garden sucks. I don't hang out in the kitchen telling the cooks how much I hate the way they ruined my beloved food. I don't harass the managers saying they are killing their business. I just eat somewhere else.

 

Why people want to hang out in a forum about a game they hate just to post about how much they hate it is beyond me.

[LizLemon]

Why are you even here? If you don't like it, don't play it. As far as I know, nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to play BoS.

 

I like Italian food but I can't stand The Olive Garden. I don't like the food or the service at my particular location. I just don't eat there. I don't hang out in the waiting area telling people how much The Olive Garden sucks. I don't hang out in the kitchen telling the cooks how much I hate the way they ruined my beloved food. I don't harass the managers saying they are killing their business. I just eat somewhere else.

 

Why people want to hang out in a forum about a game they hate just to post about how much they hate it is beyond me.

Why do you assume that I hate bos? Im not in the habit of spending $90 on things I hate.

 

I just find the game disappointing on several fronts. I visit this forum to see what is new and, of course, waiting to see when the fmb and dserver will be added since that might revive online mp.

 

 

Unlike the olive garden a discussion forum is a place for people to have discussions. If you don't like other people expressing opinions contrary to yours, then maybe you should just stay away from forums all together.

 

If all you want to do is read positive posts on bos, then make your own forum and ban anyone who dares to point out the repeated delays of promised features.

[Bearcat]

OK guys we need to just all step back.

[johncage]

in campaign mode just get rid of the add on restrictions. if someone wants to go strafe convoys with a sc 1800 let them

 

 

Why are you even here? If you don't like it, don't play it.  As far as I know, nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to play BoS.

 

I like Italian food but I can't stand The Olive Garden. I don't like the food or the service at my particular location. I just don't eat there. I don't hang out in the waiting area telling people how much The Olive Garden sucks. I don't hang out in the kitchen telling the cooks how much I hate the way they ruined my beloved food. I don't harass the managers saying they are killing their business. I just eat somewhere else.

 

Why people want to hang out in a forum about a game they hate just to post about how much they hate it is beyond me.

 

basically you want forums to become echo chambers for your own opinions.

Edited December 21, 2014 by johncage

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

As I mentioned in another post some time ago, the problem for me and for the group I have been playing IL2 with for many years is the lack of the ability to set up our own server and set the conditions we want to play. Not one member who owns this game is playing it now...and that's a shame since it is an outstanding effort.

 

I agree with the first part of your comment Wolff, but on the second part, though it's a mute point, I still play BoS.

 

Chief

[SharpeXB]

They pretty much saved the WWI flight sim genre.  I trust 777 just fine.

 

And saved the WWII sim genre as well.

 In this genre you cannot always produce what the customers want.. because most simmers want it all.

This

[needacoffee]

I'm just frustrated with the fact that i cant pull my buddies to BOS. I've played one campaign in the last week.

 

 

 

 In this genre you cannot always produce what the customers want.. because most simmers want it all.

 

 

I just would like to see more players on this game, the more restrictions the less interest !

[SharpeXB]

Why do you assume that I hate bos?

 

Because the tone of what you post has this negative bias to it like

"I wont make the mistake of buying anything early access from 777 again."

 

It's fine if you don't like BoS but you don't need to keep repeating that here. I don't like many games but I'm not over on their forum constantly complaining about it.

Edited December 21, 2014 by SharpeXB

[Bearcat]

One thing we all need to keep in mind is that BoS is a work in progress. Just because the devs do not respond immediately to things we want does not mean that they do not intend to in the future or that they do not care what we want.

[LizLemon]

Because the tone of what you post has this negative bias to it like

"I wont make the mistake of buying anything early access from 777 again."

 

It's fine if you don't like BoS but you don't need to keep repeating that here. I don't like many games but I'm not over on their forum constantly complaining about it.

Making a statement gives my posts a negative bias"?

 

I could just as easily tell you to quit trying to tone police what other posters say. Not the first time you have done it, and certainly not the last.

 

Maybe discussion forums arent the thing for you if you dislike what other people have to say so much.

[Bearcat]

End this now pls.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

It's fine if you don't like BoS but you don't need to keep repeating that here. I don't like many games but I'm not over on their forum constantly complaining about it.

 

 

Edited by Bearcat 12/21/14 1645 EST

 

Please check your PMs.

[butcherofbakers]

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Edited by Bearcat 12/21/14

[Bearcat]

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No more of that .....

[LukeFF]

 

 

Of course we were also promised that the fmb would be available for everyone at launch.

 

They never said that, and you know it. 

[Bearcat]

This is true.. that was never said.

[BladeMeister]

No more of that .....

You see Bearcat99,  one gets hammered over here if you have anything truthful to say about BOSs' short comings, and really hammered if  you post an opinion of dislike for BOS, similar to the opposite reaction you receive on another Forum. While BOS does have some good points, the posts a lot of  you all write over here  makes BOS sound like the Flight Simulation Genre saving fountain of youth. The people that express anger over someone truthfully talking about BOSs' positives along with its short comings, because it will stop new people from purchasing BOS,  must not really believe BOS can stand on its own merit as a genre saving Flight Sim and sell itself.  The people that really like BOS complain about those that don't like BOS for posting their dislikes over and over and over, when the people that really like BOS are doing exactly the same thing. Posting what they think is great about BOS, over and over and over.  While negative posters are seen as haters,  I see them as some of the most devoted people trying to keep the genre alive, because they strive to let the Devs know what can make their product appeal to the core audience. Appealing to inexperienced new customers is fine, but if your product doesn't appeal to  the majority of the core audience first, then you will never draw very many true newbs to your product.  It is only fair that anyone looking into purchasing BOS has available to them, not only the positive aspects of BOS, but also its shortcomings, so that they can make their decision based on  realistic information. For as someone else posted earlier, if I knew before I purchased BOS, what I know now about BOS, I would not purchase  it now myself. Prospective customers deserve to hear both sides of the story.

 

S!Blade<><

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I wonder after going through three pages of this where it(the game and forum) would be if it was released more like ROF or 1946 (no Unlocks) the ME  and DS out on release, the availability to set your own graphics and change things in the config.ini like we could in the alpha build, SP that had content in it not just a patched together QMB missions, and good MP environment with user made servers, co-ops, custom squad skins or at least a number decal for your ride.  I think there would be a different vibe around here. Sure this is a good game but I want to see it become great as I'm sure a lot of the guys posting about what they like or don't like do as well.

[33lima]

You see Bearcat99,  one gets hammered over here if you have anything truthful to say about BOSs' short comings, and really hammered if  you post an opinion of dislike for BOS, similar to the opposite reaction you receive on another Forum. While BOS does have some good points, the posts a lot of  you all write over here  makes BOS sound like the Flight Simulation Genre saving fountain of youth. The people that express anger over someone truthfully talking about BOSs' positives along with its short comings, because it will stop new people from purchasing BOS,  must not really believe BOS can stand on its own merit as a genre saving Flight Sim and sell itself.  The people that really like BOS complain about those that don't like BOS for posting their dislikes over and over and over, when the people that really like BOS are doing exactly the same thing. Posting what they think is great about BOS, over and over and over.  While negative posters are seen as haters,  I see them as some of the most devoted people trying to keep the genre alive, because they strive to let the Devs know what can make their product appeal to the core audience. Appealing to inexperienced new customers is fine, but if your product doesn't appeal to  the majority of the core audience first, then you will never draw very many true newbs to your product.  It is only fair that anyone looking into purchasing BOS has available to them, not only the positive aspects of BOS, but also its shortcomings, so that they can make their decision based on  realistic information. For as someone else posted earlier, if I knew before I purchased BOS, what I know now about BOS, I would not purchase  it now myself. Prospective customers deserve to hear both sides of the story.

 

S!Blade<><

 

Let's take a reality check here. Neither discussion nor the expression of criticism is being suppressed here. Let's nail that now.

 

What is happening, is that some people are clearly finding tiresome the level of (i) repetition and (ii) the immature, provocative and/or immoderate language sometimes used. There is also a tendency to confuse opinion with truth.To say or imply that criticism is being stifled, period, is a significant exaggeration, if not to misrepresent the situation.

 

To adapt a comment made elsewhere, one man's squeaky wheel is another man's broken record. When the debate looks like turning nasty, usually because one side or the other just won't back off or settle down, the mods step in.

Edited December 22, 2014 by 33lima

[1./JG42Nephris]

Blackwolf, I suppose you nailed it pretty much, and that scenario you painted was actually what I expected in my naivity, when I prepurchased. Of course I must blame myself for that.

But , and aswell in my naivity, I guess it could have been so easy to turn the game into a real success without loosing the momentum shortly before release.

It is not understandable that the successful features of Il-2 1946 or RoF were not implemented into BoS aswell, but feaures to cut the freedom of players.

Very sad and ashame as the game itself is just great and promising but the "hull" feels like ...coming from politics of the 80s, or sth.

 

Just imho of course.

[Danziger]

I wonder how it would be if there were no early access. How would this place look if nobody had ever been able to play until it was released? I think the devs should have just kept things quiet until they released the finished product. That might have eliminated a lot of the conspiracy theories and "founders" who can't handle the game anymore after release.

[BladeMeister]

Let's take a reality check here. Neither discussion nor the expression of criticism is being suppressed here. Let's nail that now.

 

What is happening, is that some people are clearly finding tiresome the level of (i) repetition and (ii) the immature, provocative and/or immoderate language sometimes used. There is also a tendency to confuse opinion with truth.To say or imply that criticism is being stifled, period, is a significant exaggeration, if not to misrepresent the situation.

 

To adapt a comment made elsewhere, one man's squeaky wheel is another man's broken record. When the debate looks like turning nasty, usually because one side or the other just won't back off or settle down, the mods step in.

That is rich Sir. While censorship here is not as bad as it was a few weeks back, now it is just pro members here calling civil unsatisfied members "repetitious, immature, provocative, (significant exaggeration, if not to misrepresent the situation) liars. There are numbers of true(the truth) likes and dislikes about BOS, and then there are opinions of likes and dislikes about BOS. If you confuse the two, then that is on your ability to separate the truth from opinion, nothing more. It is just as tiresome to read this on this Forum," BOS is the Flight Simulation Genre savior".  That is an Opinion, which is held by many here as the Truth, and repeated over and over and over, both here and on other Forums. What you posted above is merely your opinion, speaking for yourself only, just as what I wrote is my opinion only, speaking for myself. Neither of us speaks(writes) for any majority. Lets Nail That Now.

 

S!Blade<><  Merry Christmas

[fjacobsen]

There where never a promise that the FMB would be available at launch

 

What was told was that it would be released sometime after release - but no set date.

 

FinnJ

[Bearcat]

You see Bearcat99,  one gets hammered over here if you have anything truthful to say about BOSs' short comings, and really hammered if  you post an opinion of dislike for BOS, similar to the opposite reaction you receive on another Forum. While BOS does have some good points, the posts a lot of  you all write over here  makes BOS sound like the Flight Simulation Genre saving fountain of youth. The people that express anger over someone truthfully talking about BOSs' positives along with its short comings, because it will stop new people from purchasing BOS,  must not really believe BOS can stand on its own merit as a genre saving Flight Sim and sell itself.  The people that really like BOS complain about those that don't like BOS for posting their dislikes over and over and over, when the people that really like BOS are doing exactly the same thing. Posting what they think is great about BOS, over and over and over.  While negative posters are seen as haters,  I see them as some of the most devoted people trying to keep the genre alive, because they strive to let the Devs know what can make their product appeal to the core audience. Appealing to inexperienced new customers is fine, but if your product doesn't appeal to  the majority of the core audience first, then you will never draw very many true newbs to your product.  It is only fair that anyone looking into purchasing BOS has available to them, not only the positive aspects of BOS, but also its shortcomings, so that they can make their decision based on  realistic information. For as someone else posted earlier, if I knew before I purchased BOS, what I know now about BOS, I would not purchase  it now myself. Prospective customers deserve to hear both sides of the story.

 

S!Blade<><

 

First of all .. this is not SHQ.. you can just call me Bearcat. Secondly... NO ONE gets treated over here routinely like I have been on certain other forums. NO ONE. WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT HERE. That is just not true. Who is getting hammered? Where is criticism being stifled? There is criticism all over the place. When people who are tired of the constant griping on the same issues by the same people over and over get out of line.. they too are dealt with. Some of them in this very thread on both sides of that equation can attest to receiving PMs about their postings but not about their complaints. Just look at the edited posts in this thread alone.

 

Let me get this straight.... You don't want to hear about people going on and on about what is right about BoS... on our own forum?  Are you kidding me???!!

 

I see the critics of BoS as devoted fans too.. most of them are just not devoted to BoS they are devoted to another sim. Prospective customers DO hear both sides of the story... by now that story is all over the place... and I have to say if you really think that rabid, relentless rehashing of BoS's shortcomings  on it's home forum is something that should be condoned or allowed carte blanche.. you are delusional. It certainly never happened on the 1C CoD forums, or any other developer supported game forum that I know of. but I guarantee you this... you will never ever see people being treated here like they were over there, with no consequences  because they have a dissenting view.

 

I wonder how it would be if there were no early access. How would this place look if nobody had ever been able to play until it was released? I think the devs should have just kept things quiet until they released the finished product. That might have eliminated a lot of the conspiracy theories and "founders" who can't handle the game anymore after release.

 

Possibly...

 

I wonder after going through three pages of this where it(the game and forum) would be if it was released more like ROF or 1946 (no Unlocks) the ME  and DS out on release, the availability to set your own graphics and change things in the config.ini like we could in the alpha build, SP that had content in it not just a patched together QMB missions, and good MP environment with user made servers, co-ops, custom squad skins or at least a number decal for your ride.  I think there would be a different vibe around here. Sure this is a good game but I want to see it become great as I'm sure a lot of the guys posting about what they like or don't like do as well.

 

I wonder about that as well. I would have preferred that. I think the RoDF model is a good one. However that is not how it was done (as you well know of course..) and we do not know what kind of thing will be opened up in the future as development of the sim progresses.

 

That is rich Sir. While censorship here is not as bad as it was a few weeks back, now it is just pro members here calling civil unsatisfied members "repetitious, immature, provocative, (significant exaggeration, if not to misrepresent the situation) liars. There are numbers of true(the truth) likes and dislikes about BOS, and then there are opinions of likes and dislikes about BOS. If you confuse the two, then that is on your ability to separate the truth from opinion, nothing more. It is just as tiresome to read this on this Forum," BOS is the Flight Simulation Genre savior".  That is an Opinion, which is held by many here as the Truth, and repeated over and over and over, both here and on other Forums. What you posted above is merely your opinion, speaking for yourself only, just as what I wrote is my opinion only, speaking for myself. Neither of us speaks(writes) for any majority. Lets Nail That Now.

 

S!Blade<><  Merry Christmas

 

No one said BoS is the flight sim savior. What is said by many , myself included, is that BoS is the only developer supported dedicated WWII sim on the market. That is the truth.

 

Look.. the bottom line is .. people here.. and there are many here who are just as unhappy about certain features in BoS as you and others are.. but we here have decided to move on and get busy with trying to enjoy the sim as it is for now so that we can enjoy it as it will be later. If you want to sit and stew over what is wrong, that we all know by now, you will not be allowed to poison this well for long. Say your piece and let it go.

 

Now you can call that censorship or whatever you want to call it but most of us here have decided to move on and get busy with trying to make that lemonade, and there is enough cool, clear water, ice and sugar in BoS to to make a tasty, refreshing glass if that is what you want to do. If all you want to do is suck lemons.. then you can do that .. but stop complaining about how sour they are..  and please do not do it here.

 

... And on that note.