freedom of game play

[needacoffee]

I am truly sad that I think this game is losing momentum. I was one of the first in my group of friends to buy this game. As soon as my friends herd about unlocking weapons through a forced off line campaign, they say "forget it". I try to find a game to play on this but there is no one playing. I cant even create a map that could lead players closer to my ping. unlocking weapons threw off line game play is boring. I have a few hours a week to join up with my friends. I have played 25 hrs. plus, to unlock and still haven't finished completing all the plains unlocks. I know im just a no buddy here. its too bad that this game will end up dead

[senseispcc]

+1

[Yakdriver]

That's normal.

In british columbia hardly anyone cares for the stalingrad subject. so nobody flies - at least not in your time zones.

and even less because the game is the way it is.

even if you hosted a game - nobody would join you.

[CorsairHundo]

That's normal.

In british columbia hardly anyone cares for the stalingrad subject. so nobody flies - at least not in your time zones.

and even less because the game is the way it is.

even if you hosted a game - nobody would join you.

Very inspiring

[Yakdriver]

you want inspirational Lies,

or

you want a shot at the truth?

 

 

clarification please.

[GP*]

you want inspirational Lies,

or

you want a shot at the truth?

 

 

clarification please.

 

He's being sarcastic, which is what your post deserves.

 

What, specifically, about BC makes the entire population uninterested in Stalingrad? Why doesn't this apply to the rest of the world outside of Russia, then?

[Yakdriver]

Because he is not the only one complaining that the Indian to West-coast-US time zones have (almost) nobody playing BoS?

Because the best tips that have been posted is to log on to the Euro or Russian Servers, without "ping" issues?

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13377-us-multiplayer/

[Nil]

I no longer have it installed.. no other flightsims either. I will not install it until unlocks are gone.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Sort of reminds me of the old saying ... "the rumors of my demise (death) are greatly exaggerated." As unhappy as one might be about such, the sim is not dead.

 

Chief

[CIA_Yankee_]

Sort of reminds me of the old saying ... "the rumors of my demise (death) are greatly exaggerated." As unhappy as one might be about such, the sim is not dead.

 

Chief

 

I would certainly hope not. I'm having a blast playing BoS - both single player AND multiplayer.

 

I think one of the main issues with the single player is how it does not offer an option to "up" the difficulty at the start: early missions are pretty stale and very easy, while as you progress (I'm level 6 now) things get far more interesting, with more action going on around you. AT the point I'm at, BoS single player is extremely fun. I wish there was a more immersive campaign, of course, but the fact of the matter is the gameplay and simulation is VERY good. I love recording my flights and then watching them after, it's very impressive.

 

As for multiplayer, the european community is where to go. I don't understand why there's such a turn off from the west, likely a combination of disinterest in the theater and the bad publicity from the unlock issue.

 

But it's very unfortunate, because BoS is in fact a very good sim. It's extremely well polished, stable (which is more than other sims can say), and has excellent DM/FM, coupled with a stunning level of details and graphics. As objectively as could be, BoS is an excellent simulator, regardless of your thoughts about things like unlocks and the SP campaign.

 

What's worse, there is this subgroup of ********  simmers who have apparently made it their mission to trash talk BoS at every opportunity for a variety of reasons, and I have no clue what they're trying to achieve. Teach the devs a lesson, so they know better next time? Force BoS to fail and 1C/777 to go out of business so that their corpse serves as a warning to other simulator devs to not ignore their whims and desire?

 

It's cutting off your nose to spite your face in the worst possible way, because 1C/777 is pretty much one of the last sim houses out there. Beyond that there's what? DCS is about it, and they've been struggling with their WWII offering (heck, it's been many years, and only now are they finally close to releasing a new map... though I'll admit I love the DCS study sims). And that's hardly condusive to growth in the sim industry... in fact it's the very opposite: if the ridiculous reactions to BoS teaches dev studios one thing, it's that simulators are a high risk/low reward niche where the fans will quickly turn on you, and they're better off working on something less risky.

 

I dunno, seems ridiculous to me. The industry needs more simulators, not less. No matter how great modders manage to make discontinued sims, eventually those sims will die as technology progresses, and actual professional sim devs will need to make something new. Devs precisely like 1C/777.

 

Anyway, the doom and gloom is likely premature. Once the DServer and mission builder are released, we'll definitely see populations and popularity soar.

 

Edited by Bearcat 12/18/14 2058 EST

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Yankee_ I agree with you. I believe several have personal rubs with the folks behind this product and don't seem to be able to come to grips with it. That, of course, is their business. But when it over flows into everything else, it becomes all of our business, unfortunately.

 

Opinions, gripes, and concerns about a product will be voiced as that are what forums are for. But there is no place for hate in a forum, in my opinion.  What escapes me is repeating an issue (by the same person and not someone echoing like problems) over and over like numerous posts will effect change.

 

Chief

[Mikey]

Because he is not the only one complaining that the Indian to West-coast-US time zones have (almost) nobody playing BoS?

Because the best tips that have been posted is to log on to the Euro or Russian Servers, without "ping" issues?

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13377-us-multiplayer/

not everyone has good connection to those servers...regardless of what a few people say i get horrible connection to those servers so no online for me just offline

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

@ Miley .... trust me when I say we are working on at least two US servers for the East coast. But it takes time to put a mission together. What part of the country are you in?

 

Chief

[Mikey]

@ Miley .... trust me when I say we are working on at least two US servers for the East coast. But it takes time to put a mission together. What part of the country are you in?

 

Chief

Please call me anything but miley...lol 

i am from midwest usa and most servers that are overseas in any game i get horrid connection to. thanks to comcast being the only option in the area

 it is good to hear some working on new us servers.

[CorsairHundo]

This is a concern of mine (still haven't bought BoS) being on the west coast. Not just the lack of servers but the time zones of anyone online. I usually am available after 10:00 pm pst and over at DCS it's pretty empty and I don't want to invest in this sim and be flying solo. My other hesitation is the lack of adjustability with graphics. My rig is an i5 3.3 and a 2gb Vc running stock that runs 30-60 on dcs. That's for another thread


 

Please call me anything but miley...lol 
i am from midwest usa and most servers that are overseas in any game i get horrid connection to. thanks to comcast being the only option in the area
 it is good to hear some working on new us servers.

you want inspirational Lies,
or
you want a shot at the truth?
 
 
clarification please.

 

*****************************

 

Edited by Bearcat 12/19/14 1641EST

[Yakdriver]

No i have been observing the server numbers via the BoS launcher.

 

As you say, as others say, the player count is Low.

I am merely putting the info here again.

Not an opinion, an observation and confirmation.

 

Does not make me a negative nelly - not at all.

i am not here to sell optimism.

[CorsairHundo]

It's hard to determine how it's expressed in a forum etc. I just take your delivery from all your posts and even though they may be the "facts" most come across as glass half empty even though you do have posts I've read where you come across as a fanboy

 

 

No i have been observing the server numbers via the BoS launcher.

 

As you say, as others say, the player count is Low.

I am merely putting the info here again.

Not an opinion, an observation and confirmation.

 

Does not make me a negative nelly - not at all.

i am not here to sell optimism.

Edited December 18, 2014 by CorsairHundo

[SKG51_robtek]

What's worse, there is this subgroup of ******** simmers who have apparently made it their mission to trash talk BoS at every opportunity for a variety of reasons, and I have no clue what they're trying to achieve. Teach the devs a lesson, so they know better next time? Force BoS to fail and 1C/777 to go out of business so that their corpse serves as a warning to other simulator devs to not ignore their whims and desire?

 

That is just your opinion, and it seems that here the insulting of fellow simmers is not interdicted as so many other things are.

If there would be any substance to the idea that the well founded critics of a few people could hurt a good game, then there would be a chance that your opinion would mean something.

As it is, it seems that you are looking for someone to be guilty of the not so good image of this game (outside of this forum).

I can tell you where to look: who is responsible for the not so well appreciated parts of this game, as there is: unlocks, lifeless campaign, repeating missions, questionable FM, arcade tending DM, empty sourroundings, delayed FME, etc, etc...

First rule of business: produce what the customer wants, not what you want him to want!!

If BoS should fail, it fails on its own accord, not because a few people spoke their minds.

 

Edited by Bearcat 12/18/14 2059 EST

[McFly]

The crying Games just keep on rolling.

[33lima]

If BoS should fail, it fails on its own accord, not because a few people spoke their minds.

 

You see a few people speaking their minds. Others see people stating opinion as fact, often in wildly over-the-top or immature terms, to the extent they seem to have lost touch with or interest in objective reality let alone objectivity...and doing it over, and over, and over, again...

Edited December 18, 2014 by 33lima

[Uriah]

You see a few people speaking their minds. Others see people stating opinion as fact, often in wildly over-the-top or immature terms, to the extent they seem to have lost touch with or interest in objective reality let alone objectivity...and doing it over, and over, and over, again...

Just like politics, lol

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Please call me anything but miley...lol 

i am from midwest usa and most servers that are overseas in any game i get horrid connection to. thanks to comcast being the only option in the area

 it is good to hear some working on new us servers.

 

My deepest and sincere apology for my misspelling .... if the forum but allowed me to change it, I would ..... Sorry 

 

Chief

[needacoffee]

That's normal.

In british columbia hardly anyone cares for the stalingrad subject. so nobody flies - at least not in your time zones.

and even less because the game is the way it is.

even if you hosted a game - nobody would join you.

Your wrong    No opportunity to host

[needacoffee]

That is just your opinion, and it seems that here the insulting of fellow simmers is not interdicted as so many other things are.

If there would be any substance to the idea that the well founded critics of a few people could hurt a good game, then there would be a chance that your opinion would mean something.

As it is, it seems that you are looking for someone to be guilty of the not so good image of this game (outside of this forum).

I can tell you where to look: who is responsible for the not so well appreciated parts of this game, as there is: unlocks, lifeless campaign, repeating missions, questionable FM, arcade tending DM, empty sourroundings, delayed FME, etc, etc...

First rule of business: produce what the customer wants, not what you want him to want!!

If BoS should fail, it fails on its own accord, not because a few people spoke their minds.

~S~

[pencon]

I've actually gone back to playing HSFX 7.0.3 on the old 1946 il2 . There's hardly anyone on in the west coast area .Usually there's no one playing but Europe servers and I get booted from those half the time because of my ping . I do actually like a lot about BOS , I can see some untapped potential . They should think about actually making a campaign that's interesting and has somewhat of a progressive storyline or just something more immersive . We should WANT to play the campaign , not be forced to get some different paint schemes .The paint schemes should just be there to use , never mind , these head games . It really takes away from the Sim .I have My FW and BF109 unlocks but no Russian planes , because face it , all they have to unlock is paint schemes . Also they really need a DIFFERENT Season for the maps . That snow is getting old .

Edited December 19, 2014 by 6969pencon

[Bearcat]

This thread has been edited. Let's keep things on the ball here guys. All it takes is a good knock to send the top spinning. It has been very calm over here and I want to keep it that way.

[MikeDitka]

I just want to point out that if everyone who says "I am on the US West Coast and I don't have anyone to play with" on the forums all jumped into =CKA= or BoS US at 10pm PST every night we'd have a pretty full server to play in.

[CorsairHundo]

I just want to point out that if everyone who says "I am on the US West Coast and I don't have anyone to play with" on the forums all jumped into =CKA= or BoS US at 10pm PST every night we'd have a pretty full server to play in.

That's a great idea. Post a new thread inviting all to attend at that time. I would be about 11:00 pst instead of 10:00. Let's see how many would reply that they would attend

[VBF-12_Snake9]

I would like the freedom to use my 9 axis for things like trim. 

[CIA_Yankee_]

That is just your opinion, and it seems that here the insulting of fellow simmers is not interdicted as so many other things are.

If there would be any substance to the idea that the well founded critics of a few people could hurt a good game, then there would be a chance that your opinion would mean something.

As it is, it seems that you are looking for someone to be guilty of the not so good image of this game (outside of this forum).

I can tell you where to look: who is responsible for the not so well appreciated parts of this game, as there is: unlocks, lifeless campaign, repeating missions, questionable FM, arcade tending DM, empty sourroundings, delayed FME, etc, etc...

First rule of business: produce what the customer wants, not what you want him to want!!

If BoS should fail, it fails on its own accord, not because a few people spoke their minds.

 

Edited by Bearcat 12/18/14 2059 EST

 

Firstly, my apologies on my choice of words, that was uncalled for, and merely exacerbates the situation I was trying to comment on. A moment of frustration is what it was, and I apologize for the poor choice of words.

 

That said, I was not commenting on people leaving negative feedback or stating their displeasure about the game... I was commented on how toxic the discussions can be about this game whenever someone goes and tries to post something positive about it, in ways that go completely over the top. The same goes at the poisonous and biased Metacritic scores, with scores that are blatantly dishonest and meant to "punish" the game (which, granted, is basically normal for Metacritic... but in niche markets like ours its particularly harmful).

 

Moreover, I was commenting on how there are many posters who seem to celebrate any news of BoS struggling (or perceived struggling, like online numbers), and also going out of their way to poison newcomers against this sim. And in a niche genre like simulations, people on forums CAN INDEED cause significant harm to a newly released game, particularly when it's as vitriolic as conversations get about BoS.

 

There seems to be this absolutely ridiculous notion that there is some sort of competition between BoS and other WWII sims, and since BoS failed to meet some people's expectations/tastes, then BoS must fail in order for their sim of choice to thrive. At least that is the impression I get, when I see posters crowing over the perceived difficulties of BoS, delighted that 1C/777 are struggling after refusing to meet their specific preferences in a simulator (which their other simulator meets).

 

The problem, the reason it is ridiculous, is that there is NO competition. 1C/777 is one of basically TWO simulator developers out there today (at least if you count the DCS people as a single entity), there literally is no one else out there to pick up the torch of warbird simulators, if and when they fail. BoS failing will not teach future developers to Beware The Vengeful Fans... it'll just teach them to avoid an extremely niche genre where its fans will turn on them if they make the wrong decision.

 

Essentially, that kind of vengeful and wrongly competitive behavior is ultimately self-destructive. Especially considering that most sims get better through developer and modder support. Trying to kill BoS prematurely is doing massive harm to the genre from that perspective alone, not to mention the greater economic implications.

 

Instead of trying of driving sims we don't agree with into the ground, we should at the very least not try to make the situation worse by poisoning the very shallow waters any further. It's in ALL our interests for 1C/777 to be successful and remain in business, same as it is for the ED/DCS people. Because after them, there's basically nothing left... and modding dead sims can only carry us so far.

 

For myself, I've got all those sims on my HD (well, I guess except IL-1946). CLoD, various DCSes, BoB2, BoS, RoF it's all good. There are things I prefer in some more than others. But they all have something in common: they got better with time (some more than others, as you well know)... as will BoS, with campaign mods, and of course the DServer and FMB.

 

And all the people hell bent on poisoning the waters will accomplish, if they succeed (and I sure hope not), will be to harm our gaming niche as a whole.

[Bearcat]

That is an excellent post Yankee and pretty much sums up the main reasons why these boards are moderated the way they are. It is not and has never been a matter of stifling criticism but one of creating an atmosphere for ongoing discussion in a civil manner that is not only possible but encouraged. There are people.. many people who have been turned away from BoS by the incessant barrage of negative press from a relative handful of people who seem to be determined to make sure to the best of their abilities that BoS fails miserably with constant criticism at every opportunity some even going to forums unrelated to flight Sims all together to rail against BoS and it's development team. It has been stated that if BoS fails it will fail on it's own merits and this is largely true, we have seen that very dynamic at work before, however it is also true that fan toxicity can create an atmosphere around a product that discourages new customers from even trying it out and that dynamic we have also see at work before. We the moderating staff here and many members of this community are engaged in an ongoing effort to make certain that this forum does not become the toxic wasteland that has arisen around previous Sims in the past that eventually contributed to the abandonment of that sim by it's developer. I for one have always been impressed with what this team accomplished in such a short time and I believe that in spite of it's well known flaws BoS is still a very engaging sim and it is IMO more sim than game regardless to what some have said. It will indeed succeed or fail on it's own merits and i think it will succeed because at the end of the day in spite of it's flaws, in spite of some of it's features that over 90% of the community do not like.. it is still a stable, great looking, engaging sim with features that we have never before seen in any flight sim and I am not talking about the well known negative ones.. I men the dynamic lighting.. the constellations in the night time sky.. the physics is unique... and much more. Have you seen the moon phases?

 

After having gone through more than half of the campaign I have been able to see more of what this sim can do and I am even more impressed with it than I initially was. This sim is a work in progress and because of it's quality I do believe that work on it will progress.

 

 

I've actually gone back to playing HSFX 7.0.3 on the old 1946 il2 . There's hardly anyone on in the west coast area .Usually there's no one playing but Europe servers and I get booted from those half the time because of my ping . I do actually like a lot about BOS , I can see some untapped potential . They should think about actually making a campaign that's interesting and has somewhat of a progressive storyline or just something more immersive . We should WANT to play the campaign , not be forced to get some different paint schemes .The paint schemes should just be there to use , never mind , these head games . It really takes away from the Sim .I have My FW and BF109 unlocks but no Russian planes , because face it , all they have to unlock is paint schemes . Also they really need a DIFFERENT Season for the maps . That snow is getting old .

 

I highly reccomend that you do two things....

1. Get IL2 46. It is dirt cheap now and while dated it is still a lot of fun and it is IMO worth it's price if for no other reason to see the pedigree that BoS is coming from.
2. Give that campaign a shot. The "grind" is not as bad as some have made it out to be or as bad as I thought it would be. I am not a campaign person I never have been and this campaign will not change that . Once I unlock everything I probably will not touch another campaign for a long time.. sort of like boot camp. For people who are into that sort of thing this may be a "boring" and "sterile" campaign... but I find it engaging enough and it does a very good job of not only teaching you a bit about the subject matter but giving a good glimpse of what the BoS engine can do. Take it from a guy who has never completed a single campaign in the 14 years that I have been simming.. and was/is just as opposed to the idea of having to unlock anything in a sim as any simmer who has been doing it for a length of time in any venue other than some of the more game oriented offerings we have seen over the last few years. BoS is what it is. Christie Brinkley was still a hottie even with that big mole on her face. Give it a shot. Get through it.. you can always fast forward through the boring parts.

[33lima]

Hi Pencon

 

just to offer a different take on some of your observations...

 

I've actually gone back to playing HSFX 7.0.3 on the old 1946 il2 . There's hardly anyone on in the west coast area .Usually there's no one playing but Europe servers and I get booted from those half the time because of my ping . I do actually like a lot about BOS , I can see some untapped potential . They should think about actually making a campaign that's interesting and has somewhat of a progressive storyline or just something more immersive .

 

The campaign DOES have a storyline. It's the story of the Battle of Stalingrad and it's 'told' in the Chapters and by the changes in the tactical situation which are displayed on the mission briefing's map, in the form of the changed frontlines and offensives.

 

 

Yes there's some room for more immersion 'in-chapter' but the progressive storyline is there, right now. And as it should be, it's dictated by the flow of history and not what the player does. The sim is after all called 'Battle of Stalingrad' and that's pretty well what we've got. If there's scope for improving the existing SP campaign, I'm with those who say it lies most of all in letting us have more than one pilot character, each of whom we can 'sign up' with an historical squadron with the right plane; and whose progress, as an individual and as a flight leader, we can then see and follow through the campaign.

 

We should WANT to play the campaign , not be forced to get some different paint schemes .The paint schemes should just be there to use , never mind , these head games . It really takes away from the Sim .I have My FW and BF109 unlocks but no Russian planes , because face it , all they have to unlock is paint schemes .

 

Noboby is FORCED to unlock anything. As Heinkill has pointed out, you can play MP and SP without them, and use them when they DO become available. And the Soviet planes DO have more unlocks than just skins; the fighters have more powerful guns, bombs and air-to-ground rockets, for example. It's not hard to see what the available unlocks are for each aircraft, from the 'your plane' setup option dialogue box. LaGG-3 kit unlocks are illustrated below, at the point where I had already unlocked the 23mm cannon IIRC

 

 

I would have preferred the weapon unlocks (at least) to be tied into the campaign's Chapters eg German fighters getting bombs so they could fly jabo missions in reponse to Uranus but it doesn't particularly bother me as it is now. So, far from the current system 'taking away' from the sim, for me the unlocks don't much bother me and since they're there, do provide a limited incentive for me to fly on.

 

Also they really need a DIFFERENT Season for the maps . That snow is getting old .

 

The snowbound landscape is EXACTLY right for the period covered by the SP campaign, the clue again being in the sim's title. Would we get tired the unchanging sand, if the sim was set around the Battle of El Alamein or in North Arfrica generally? Yes an autumn terrain set would be good for the earlier part of Fall Blau, covering the German campaign in southern Russia before the sim's present timeframe but that's a different story.

 

Different strokes for different folks but for me, the present landscape is near perfect for the current, eponymous campaign. It replicates the whole operational area in considerable detail, with as far as I can see, airfields, towns, villages and the rest, portrayed as and where they should be. What you can see on maps or aerial photos of the real battlefield, you can see in the game. History brought to life, like the city itself - in the pic below, the heights of Mamayev Kurgan are near my starboard wingtip and the Central Railway station is left of my tailplane, both famous landmarks in the bitter fighting.

 

 

And there's any amount of other places that you will read about in accounts of the battle, like Gumrak and Pitomnik, and indeed Kalach, where Col Fillipov's column siezed the bridge in a daring night raid and paved the way for the first pincers to link up. Now, in my book, THAT is immersion - the depth and detail of the recreation of real history. A timeless and truly historic battlefield brought back to life.

 

The many things that BoS does well, it really does very well indeed.

 

S! 33Lima

 

Edited December 20, 2014 by 33lima

[Bearcat]

I agree Lima.. and as for the unlocks there is a complete list of just what is locked available.

[1./JG42Nephris]

Absolutely not agrre agree with BC and Lima, but much more with pencon.

He maybe pointed out the reasons why BoS lost a lot of supporters since the unlock incident & followings.

Forcing someone to play the way I want is odd for a game you paid for.

For sure I wont start counting all reasons which are so well known to everyone already.

Still wouldnt buy BoS again, for sure it depends on what one personally expects from a game, in my case, good basic code, useless campaign - bad dev. decisions. So long It flew of the harddisk and wont receive any recommendation to pay 64$ for anyone who asks.

 

Btw. I prefer 1946 HSFX aswell again. However good for those who enjoy the game.

Edited December 20, 2014 by 1./JG42Nephris

[ST_ami7b5]

Hm...

IL*2 1946 HSFX really rules as to the immersion..

[Bearcat]

Absolutely not agrre agree with BC and Lima, but much more with pencon.

He maybe pointed out the reasons why BoS lost a lot of supporters since the unlock incident & followings.

Forcing someone to play the way I want is odd for a game you paid for.

For sure I wont start counting all reasons which are so well known to everyone already.

Still wouldnt buy BoS again, for sure it depends on what one personally expects from a game, in my case, good basic code, useless campaign - bad dev. decisions. So long It flew of the harddisk and wont receive any recommendation to pay 64$ for anyone who asks.

 

Btw. I prefer 1946 HSFX aswell again. However good for those who enjoy the game.

 

I think you may be misunderstanding what lima and I are saying.

 

No one is denying that there are things in BoS that we do not like... There is a poll on this very forum indicating how over 90% of the community feel about some of the aspects of BoS as currently implemented. I don't think I would be incorrect in assuming that everyone in this thread is in that 90%. All we are saying is that in spite of those shortcomings BoS is still a very good product.  There is still a lot to like about BoS and no amount of denial will change that. We are saying that those disagreeable features do not render the entire sim a bad product. That is all we are saying.. Others may chose to walk away from their investment in the sim in protest over things that may not change for some time if at all but I have chosen to take my investment in BoS for what it is worth. After the last patch or maybe the one before it.. it was the one that wiped out the controls setting.. I had stopped flying BoS. I was too lazy and too frustrated to redo my controls yet again.. but that never deterred me from seeing the good that was in the sim and seeing that good prompted me to come to the conclusion that I had to suck it up and either man up and get busy trying to do what needed to be done to make the best of what I had in BoS or walk away from it. I chose the former because I still have faith in this team despite the fact that they pissed me off too with some of their decisions and and because at it's core BoS is still a very good sim. Not just good but very good. When I did a major upgrade to my rig for BoS  I fired up CoD yet again , which I did after each PC hardware upgrade over the time period since I first got it and each time it was a slideshow even on the lowest settings up until the very last official patch.. and by then it worked.. but mainly over water.. It was still a slideshow over the city. Once I did my major upgrade in 2012 after not being able to run it for 2 1/2 years  I gave it yet another shot and I got the TF patches ...   It's great now. I even gave CFS 3 yet another shot when OFF came out (I still hate it.. I have from the very beginning and totally gave up on it, it never ran right and it still gives my MSFFB2 stick fits and I hate the way it looks ... ) and for my mind, the way I look at things, BoS is just two months out of the womb.. so to just drop it because there are some things in it that I am not happy about, after considering what is really really good about it, and there is a lot that is really good about it ...  is  to me.. and for me.. something that just makes no sense. Others may see things differently and they are entitled to do so.. but I am going to get as much of my $90 worth as I can and there is a lot to be had.. more so than not.

 

FWIW I still fly IL2 as well.. almost daily for at least a QM or two.. I never stopped. I still prefer IL2 because it is what I am familiar with and it offers me more of what I want as far as content goes... but I am finding that as I progress through this campaign my enjoyment of BoS is getting greater. BoS is a decent product. Many have chosen to not fly it because of  the few very well documented features in it that have caused so much of a ruckus... but it is a very good sim even with those "features" and it would be a shame to toss out the entire sim because of them in my opinion.

[33lima]

Agree with Bearcat here. No contest about a good IL-2 '46 campaign being superior (according to what traditional sim players value) in presentation. BoS has awakened a new interest in VVS aircraft so in parallel with 'Stalingrad', I'm playing the earlier sim's 'Blinding Sun' campaign, which seems to have all the classic trimmings, including exceptionally well-written briefings, which do not sacrifice necessary detail for creative writing - you get both.

 

 

...which is not to say that I find the BoS campaign 'useless'. Nor do I feel or react like the BoS developers have done the simming equivalent, in best Python Holy Grail style, of taunting me (in an outrageous accent, naturellement) that my mother was a hamster and my father smelt of elderberries. I just enjoy and appreciate the things that BoS does do well. Including many aspects of the current SP campaign, like recreating the sense you are flying and fighting in a real aircraft over an historic battlefield, where I don't expect the Battle of Kursk to be re-created at 09.00 every day.

 

Edited December 20, 2014 by 33lima

[needacoffee]

 

 

Firstly, my apologies on my choice of words, that was uncalled for, and merely exacerbates the situation I was trying to comment on. A moment of frustration is what it was, and I apologize for the poor choice of words.  

 

Thanks, I do think BOS is the best sim that has every been made. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to kill the spirit of game play. I don't want it to die.

 

If

 

There is a poll on this very forum indicating how over 90% of the community feel about some of the aspects of BoS as currently implemented. I don't think I would be incorrect in assuming that everyone in this thread is in that 90%. All we are saying is that in spite of those shortcomings BoS is still a very good product.

 

 

I wasn't aware of this post or did i imagine this I am just saying that off line game play for many, is only about unlocking weapons for on line game play. 

[kozo]

bos is dead product (for most skilled and older players around me, in real and same in virtual world, friends sayins same as mentioned above "forget it" its not what it supposed to be

until MP unlocking will be splited from SP or removed at all from MP, to fit what they say on home page for new customers "Classic Multiplayer", and still i didnt get reply from dev/publish group where they saw classic multiplayer game where you must play silly single player (and not just some short tutorial what could be accepet, but really boring boring single player missions again and again against AI,

90% who bought early access had no idea about unlocking. thats why Pool about unlockings looks like.

 

im pretty sure that most of customers never bought BOS if there were information about forcing to play SP!!!

[33lima]

Here we go AGAIN, stating opinion as fact.

 

bos is dead product (for most skilled and older players around me, in real and same in virtual world, friends sayins same as mentioned above "forget it" its not what it supposed to be

until MP unlocking will be splited from SP or removed at all from MP, to fit what they say on home page for new customers "Classic Multiplayer", and still i didnt get reply from dev/publish group where they saw classic multiplayer game where you must play silly single player (and not just some short tutorial what could be accepet, but really boring boring single player missions again and again against AI,

90% who bought early access had no idea about unlocking. thats why Pool about unlockings looks like.

 

im pretty sure that most of customers never bought BOS if there were information about forcing to play SP!!!

 

Here we go again, opinion being stated as fact. And a factually-inaccurate opinion, at that. BoS is NOT dead. To you and some others maybe, but 'that don't make it so'.

 

And NOBODY is 'forced' to play SP. As others, notably Heinkill, have pointed out, you can play QM, SP campaign and MP without ANY of the unlocks.

 

Try getting some facts straight, before you post another semi-coherent rant.

Edited December 20, 2014 by 33lima