Official tally

[GunnyHighway]

Of all 3,288 German and Austrian pilots that scored victories in WWII, 116 of them started to score in The Spanish Civil war, and encountered Russian planes such as Polikarpov I-15, I-16, R-5 and ANT-40 a.k.a. Tupolev SB.

[Leaf]

You're either looking for trouble or a lock, possibly both.

 

Maybe post it in a different section (Free Topic or Aviation perhaps?)

[Y-29.Silky]

I don't get it.

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

[Trident_109]

clickie

 

 

Edited December 14, 2014 by Trident_109

[von_Greiff]

Need help!

 

Is their anything you trying to say, Gunny??

I mean a kill is a kill. It's like a goal is a goal, don't see a problem!

[vonLazan]

I don't get it.

 

He's trying to discredit Luftwaffe aces by implying that a handful (some of which scored into the hundreds) earned their victories over a span of almost a decade, fighting against inferior aircraft. Which even if they did, is a testament to their skill, since killing is only a part of the equation, survivng that long is the other. So he essentially defeats his own implication by himself.

[Finkeren]

I don't get this need to 'discredit' one side or the other. Overclaiming aside (and overclaiming was an issue in all airforces) there is simply no argueing, that the pilots of the Luftwaffe fighter force achieved amazing individual results, but they did so fighting for an air force that failed to achieve practically all of its strategic goals.

Edited December 15, 2014 by Finkeren

[SYN_Ricky]

The greatest of them all scored his first kill in November 1942, and the 351 others at a time when the VVS was getting better and better...

[Tektolnes]

So 3.5% scored victories before WW2 started.. wow that's a impressive statistic. Almost as impressive as the VVS' lamentable performance throughout WW2.

[I/JG27_Rollo]

 

 

over a span of almost a decade, fighting against inferior aircraft

It's certainly how I get my kills.

[Gruber-H]

Of all 3,288 German and Austrian pilots that scored victories in WWII, 116 of them started to score in The Spanish Civil war, and encountered Russian planes such as Polikarpov I-15, I-16, R-5 and ANT-40 a.k.a. Tupolev SB.

I'v translated this message for everyone

I think I understand him better now

Edited December 17, 2014 by 4./JG26_Maple

[Y-29.Silky]

He's trying to discredit Luftwaffe aces by implying that a handful (some of which scored into the hundreds) earned their victories over a span of almost a decade, fighting against inferior aircraft. Which even if they did, is a testament to their skill, since killing is only a part of the equation, survivng that long is the other. So he essentially defeats his own implication by himself.

Ohh. Well, he still has to explain the other 3288 pilots who didn't fly in the civil war, including most of their top aces. Juicy bait.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Silky

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It is obvious trolling as was the last post he put up - which became both nationalistic and revisionist in nature. This has been noted as his MO in other forums as well. Mod's lock this please and give him a PM or vacation before it gets out of hand.

[SOLIDKREATE]

What is this even about. This seems more like a reply than an actual topic. This needs to be locked and hidden.

[Joao611]

...What?

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Here we go again