Stalingrad, and why the Fw190 should be in the game.

[ImPeRaToR]

The 190 will be realistically modelled so be sure it will be amazing.

[Mac_Messer]

The 190 will be realistically modelled so be sure it will be amazing.

Gotta love such blanket statements. Post a screenshot or two maybe?

[ImPeRaToR]

I have to protect my sources

[Jaws2002]

How long have you played IL2 for?

Dkoor was playing il-2 since back in the days when the biggest threat to BF109 and Fw190, while flying in enemy teritory, was that dreaded T34 sniper. :lol

[Jaws2002]

If you look at this from different point of view, the FW190 and LA5 have earned their right to be in the game.

 

They sold a lot of preorders. Can't argue that.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

If you look at this from different point of view, the FW190 and LA5 have earned their right to be in the game.

 

They sold a lot of preorders. Can't argue that.

 

Agreed and with a bit of luck we'll get another map soonish so they can fly on that :D

 

p.s. To be fair the La-5 was in action over stalingrad.

[dkoor]

Dkoor was playing il-2 since back in the days when the biggest threat to BF109 and Fw190, while flying in enemy teritory, was that dreaded T34 sniper. :lol

Aye... many of those things vanished from my memory... but those were the days... I was sooo enthusiastic about the game, must admit more so than I am now.

My first online attempts in IL-2 were some 10 years ago (2003-2004ish or so), incredible when I think about it now.

UK-dedicated was my fav server back then.

But offline I played from demo 1.0, think that was back in 2001.

 

Bf-109G2 had that cool silver dark green camo  (a bit unrealistic but it was cool).

If you look at this from different point of view, the FW190 and LA5 have earned their right to be in the game.

 

They sold a lot of preorders. Can't argue that.

You are most likely right, personally I always had a thing for mid war, I believe that was the most intense and evenly matched time in the air.

I was sold on this long time ago and I'll surely preorder the game too (few days left tho).

Agreed and with a bit of luck we'll get another map soonish so they can fly on that :D

 

p.s. To be fair the La-5 was in action over stalingrad.

Stalingrad, Prokhorovka & Kuban are my fav Eastern front maps... I'm waiting for P-39 that crate also played vital role in Kuban.

Plus it was quite a looker IMHO.

[ImPeRaToR]

I played mostly coops at first with some clan mates in 2001 and 2002 but eventually I flew La5FN on some russian telekom servers I found in all seeing eye
In IL2FB I flew a lot on ukded2 and later 3, the ROF Les Hellequins server missions were partially inspired by UK dedicated, offering targets for both fighter and bomber pilots.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

I finished Buchner's book Stormbird. He flew Fw190 during the war and said many were not able or did not know how to fly the Fw190 to the edge. He outmaneuvered Yaks, IAR-81 etc. in his plane and said the cotrols were very good and Fw190 was a good fighter. Anecdotal evidence sure, but Priller also shot down Spits, P47/51's in his Fw190A without being shot down. He flew the plane to the limit. I donot say the Fw190 should be a Zero, but for sure not a slough either. Will be interesting to fly the Fw190A-3 in BoS.

[Mac_Messer]

I donot say the Fw190 should be a Zero, but for sure not a slough either. Will be interesting to fly the Fw190A-3 in BoS.

Well in IL2 it wasn`t. At certain speeds the pre-Dora FW190 did have upper hand over his enemies in both turn rate and elevator authority. Part of why it was such a good gun platform. Nevertheless, it cannot be used effectively in sustained turns as it burns energy too quickly this way. Ends up slow and sluggish. 

[BFsSmurfy]

UK dedicated is now Battle-Fields 1,2 & 3 on Hyperlobby, we still have some great missions and hope to get a BoS server up as sson as humanly possible.

[Finkeren]

Here's the deal: As in any other aspect of human knowledge, it's the responsibility of the person making the positive claim to provide evidence for his/her position. Lack of data can only support a negative claim.

 

Thus it rests on the shoulders of the people wanting the Fw 190 in BoS to provide evidence in support of the claim that there were in fact 190s present. People who claim they weren't there don't have to prove anything at all.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

No one has to prove anything. The 190 most likely wasn't there but it will be in the sim. Anyone making historical missions can omit the 190.

 

The DF servers might have them but then who likes DF servers

[Mac_Messer]

AFAIK for starters, DF servers are the only type there will be in BoS for some time.
 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

AFAIK for starters, DF servers are the only type there will be in BoS for some time.

 

 

Someone from GIAP said on the ROF forum they were working on a dynamic campaign mission generator for a SEOW type war. Also I'm pretty sure there will be others who are going to do the same.

 

I for one have zero interest in DF servers nor am I very interested in the sort of hybrid servers we've seen in ROF and CLOD. It's got to be close to CO-OP for me to want to fly.

 

Fingers crossed

[FuriousMeow]

They aren't dogfight servers. Dogfight servers didn't have objectives and targets, ways to hinder production of certain aircraft, and ways to win the map based on reconning areas or taking out industrial targets/airfields. It was pure air to air for dogfight servers.

Edited September 26, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[VeryOldMan]

No one has to prove anything. The 190 most likely wasn't there but it will be in the sim. Anyone making historical missions can omit the 190.

 

The DF servers might have them but then who likes DF servers

 

I do, and most people that  work too much during day to have   more than 30-40 min  free to play per day.

[ImPeRaToR]

"Dogfight" missions in ROF can work however you want them to, you can give every pilot a window at the start of the mission to get a plane and take off and then lock all airfields like COOP would work, but you CAN allow respawn, for example every 30 or 60 minutes, unlimited any time or whatever you like.

And I am very sure it will be the same in BOS.

Edited September 26, 2013 by ImPeRaToR

[6./ZG26_Emil]

That's what I'm hoping for

[LordNeuro*Srb*]

Well little somthing untill u weit for early access if u hevent seen it all redy.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdPv0h5Kpm4

[Sokol1]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3331-0-60074800-1379766726.jpg

http://aerospaceproject.ru/Aviation21

 

~ 1:45

 

 

Sokol1

Edited October 3, 2013 by Sokol1

[IIN8II]

Personally I don't care about the fw either way. What I want to see is rainbows in the game! The devs better put them in or it will be a deal breaker for me...

[FlatSpinMan]

Guys

From the first days of this forum there was the same question. It seemed most likely that the plane wasn't in Stalingrad in this period.

Keep discussing it civilly and calmly if you want, but beyond trying to score internet win points,it doesn't really matter. The Fw will be in the game because its a popular plane that was in service at the time. Use it if you want (if you buy it). If someone builds a mission using it, plays it if you have it, or don't.

Its not necessary to get so caught up in these kinds of things with every single bit of Dev news.

[Redwulf__1]

I found something on an Osprey book:

 

Quote:

Soviet fighter aviation suffered terribly at the hands of the Jagdwaffe in the first year of the war in the east and, with the arrival of JG 51 and its Fw 190s on the Stalingrad Front in September 1942, things only got worse. However, help was on its way in the form of the La-5. Tougher, faster, and with a greater rate of climb than its predecessors, most were flow by a new generation of better-trained pilots led by combat veterans. These new fighters soon found themselves pitted into action on the Central Sector against the equally new Fw 190As of JG 51. From then on, these two fighters would battle it out in the skies over the Eastern Front. This book tells the complete story of the battles between these two important fighters.

 

Quote end

Paperback; September 2011; 80 pages; ISBN: 9781849084734

[LukeFF]

Soviet fighter aviation suffered terribly at the hands of the Jagdwaffe in the first year of the war in the east and, with the arrival of JG 51 and its Fw 190s on the Stalingrad Front in September 1942, things only got worse. 

 

Been there, done that, discussed to death. That is a very, very inaccurate sentence. JG 51 did not fly Fw 190s on the Stalingrad front.