plz even the teams

[Descolada]

almost every time i get on syndicate and theres more than 20 people the balance is something like 12 to 26 in favor of germany

 

i try and even it out but dealing with 4 109s running around your airfield and realizing itd take up to a third of your team to even have a chance is ridiculous

 

plz do ur part and play the team with less ppl

[SYN_Mike77]

Is it time for the auto team balance feature?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Feature?

[Gambit21]

Feature?

noun

 

1. a distinctive attribute or aspect of something.

   "safety features like dual air bags"

   synonyms: characteristic, attribute, quality, property, trait, hallmark, trademark;More

[Y-29.Silky]

Is it time for the auto team balance feature?

Yes, please please please! This scenario is just happening too consistently.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Silky

[Feathered_IV]

What aircraft are the Germans flying? If it's twenty transports and six fighters it would be a different story. Is there any way to tell during a match?

[Y-29.Silky]

What aircraft are the Germans flying? If it's twenty transports and six fighters it would be a different story. Is there any way to tell during a match?

The 111's spawn at Tuso and Kamishyn... But either way, right now it's 11 Germans against 25 Russians.

[Descolada]

The 111's spawn at Tuso and Kamishyn... But either way, right now it's 11 Germans against 25 Russians.

it swings constantly

 

neither is acceptable

 

honestly itd be best if there was a selective auto balance that maybe let the teams have a difference of 4 players or something, that way most of your squads can still get on one side if theyd like without making it completely imbalanced

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

it swings constantly

 

neither is acceptable

 

Auto balance in a flight sim is unacceptable.

[Stallion]

I thought autobalance/"max" playerswas already an option, just that Syndicate server has it turned off?

[Y-29.Silky]

Auto balance in a flight sim is unacceptable.

Neither is 30 vs 10.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Silky

[CorsairHundo]

Auto balance in a flight sim is unacceptable.

 

Ok, I'll bite. Whats acceptable then?

[Yakdriver]

Taking Freedums away is.
and complaining.

changing bases, changing servers or using the "we are surrounded, we can attack in any diection" approach is not.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Yakdriver

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Auto balance in a flight sim is unacceptable.

no need for auto balance. only prohibit to join the side with more players, when it's to unbalanced (~5 or more)

Edited December 8, 2014 by Celestiale

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

It depends on the time you log in. I just shot down 2 yaks vs me on DED server. 2:1 russian ratio.

[Sparrer]

S!

 

Another good reason for coops

[Feathered_IV]

Personally I quite like being outnumbered. It concentrates the mind.

The thing that bores me the most with multiplayer is the way all variables get stripped down for the sake of some unrealistic and artificial sense of complete "parity". Gameplay becomes as dull as the tossing of a coin.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

They can limit the amount of planes at airfields to simulate this as well. if they set it so there was historical ratio of planes people would either have to wait for planes to spawn on Axis or fly Allied. 

 

Neither is 30 vs 10.

Well that would be historic if it was 30 Allied. Problem is it's always Axis outnumbering which is not historic at all. 

Edited December 8, 2014 by driftaholic

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Ok, I'll bite. Whats acceptable then?

 

Not elbowing people in to flying a plane they don't want to fly for your sake or anybody else's. It makes no sense. Everybody should fly what they want to fly... Balance, XP, Chapters, Stats... None of this should be a concept to any of us.

 

Veritably, they never were before and for the most part things were good.

 

I paid my dues for the product and spent a lot of time flying it... I don't have this installed anymore.

 

Edited December 8, 2014 by FalkeEins

[BlitzPig_EL]

It has always been this way in combat flight simulation.

 

The JGs will never even up sides, ever,  never have, never will.

 

Way back in IL2 I had several JGs come on to an early war Pacific mission I built and demand that I stop the mission and add the FW 190 to the plane set or they would leave.

 

True story.

 

I didn't give them the chance to leave, however, I booted them as fast as I could.

 

Then there was the time on Zekes vs. Wildcats when those of us flying for Japan were out numberd by some outrageous amount, and the Allied jocks refused to even the teams, so all of us on comms on the Japanese side switched to the Allied side.  With no one to shoot at some of them grudgingly went over to the other side, and we mopped up the floor with them.

 

The lesson is that the planes that get kills the easiest are the planes that will get the most players, hence the popularity of late war scenarios.

Edited December 9, 2014 by ElAurens

[DeafBee]

Recently I have been flying the BF 109 for a change. Great fun since you have much more power to get up and away from the Russians planes. I used to fly the Yak-1 because most people wants to fly the german planes. 

 

I must admit its way harder to be Russian than German. For this reason I admire the Russan pilots more. They have inferior planes and are most of the times outnumbered 3-1 on the servers. 

 

Pilots in the Lagg 3 I admire the most. Bad A.. pliots. 

[sturmkraehe]

I'd have possibility to limit number of fighters in the air simultaneously. Maybe have no infitinite numbers of 109s and 190s at all but bombers infinit for instance.

 

I hope we move on to Kursk quickly when VVS will get more potent planes that match up to axis planes. We also miss an axis underdog plane like the IAR 80/81 or an early Macchi.

Edited December 9, 2014 by sturmkraehe

[SYN_Jedders]

The German planes are "easy mode" tbh. No engine management, better speed, better claim rate, better turn rate mostly. And still they stack against the Russian aircraft. It has always been like this in Eastern Front scenarios. ADW was the same until the later war maps then zee Germans were nowhere to be seen.

 

Fly the Russian planes even if you are outnumbered and being vulched. Every kill is that little bit more satisfying

[CorsairHundo]

Not elbowing people in to flying a plane they don't want to fly for your sake or anybody else's. It makes no sense. Everybody should fly what they want to fly... Balance, XP, Chapters, Stats... None of this should be a concept to any of us.

 

Veritably, they never were before and for the most part things were good.

 

I paid my dues for the product and spent a lot of time flying it... I don't have this installed anymore.

 

Makes sense. I come from the racing sims and we would have leagues. I don't have this "sim" yet as I'm on the fence with the unlocks and graphic limitations. If I were to buy it I wouldn't want to fly the Russian planes, prefer US a/c but that's not an option

[Y-29.Silky]

 

They can limit the amount of planes at airfields to simulate this as well.

 

The aircraft are already limited at the airfields except for the He-111 transports and the 109F at the far airfields. And having these outnumbered to historical ratio, I think it'd be even worse for the Russians, the Laggs outnumbered the Yaks probably 10-1. And this will just encourage even more vulching than there is now.

 

 

We have quite a pickle here...

Edited December 9, 2014 by Silky

[Yakdriver]

And that is the Online state for certain missions on certain servers today.
Not a pickle at all.

Their server.
Their rules or non rules

Their Mission

Their enforcements or non enforcements.

Their Business end to end. you do not like their business for reason X... do not go there?

you can refuse to play that mission, you can wait till you got your own mission builder and your own server software so you can enforce your own rules.

[SYN_Vorlander]

Stop bitching about the auto balance. Not going to help. Take a YAK and kill them all.

[Descolada]

Stop bitching about the auto balance. Not going to help. Take a YAK and kill them all.

im not, im asking the players to not be idiots and even the teams

 

the point of not having autobalance is to let people play the side that they want, but there is also the expectation that they even the sides after they die/land/whatever

 

this doesnt usually happen

Edited December 9, 2014 by Descolada

[FuriousMeow]

I don't have this installed anymore.

 

Unsurprisingly it's best this way for everyone.

[StG2_zulu354]

For squads like the I am in, autobalancing "feature" would be a killing one. Yesterday we flew with 16 machines (9 Ju-87, 7 Bf-109) on DED. It' not the same server like Syndicate, but the message is the same: we couldn't fly together on an autobalanced server. If it really disturbs you, join a server from 777. As I remember correcectly, the autobalance is activated there...

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I play all servers and I must say it really annoys me as most people seem to play German, I feel guilty to play them most of the time. I understand that squads want to play together hence no balance but for the normal dogfighting servers I think maybe they should implement forced teams and rotation simular to battlefield. I swap myself um just annoyed as certain people only play one side and that forces the rest in to having no choice or feeling bad that they choose a team with more players just to get the ac they want

[von_Tom]

Must confess I have no intention of flying for the VVS ever at any stage of the "war", regardless of any imbalance on a server when I'm on it.  It's not a question of balance or planeset etc, I just don't want to fly VVS.  The only exception will probably be mucking about in an IL2 on ground attack and that only as part of a squad effort for giggles only.

 

Some are happy to switch, but not me.

 

von Tom

[=LD=Hethwill]

The only way to solve the conundrum is to spawn AI formations to balance over population of humans joining one side.

 

Wait for ME and provide such solution to server admins. As said no way a squadron is going to play on a auto-balance server...

[StG2_zulu354]

I play all servers and I must say it really annoys me as most people seem to play German, I feel guilty to play them most of the time. I understand that squads want to play together hence no balance but for the normal dogfighting servers I think maybe they should implement forced teams and rotation simular to battlefield. I swap myself um just annoyed as certain people only play one side and that forces the rest in to having no choice or feeling bad that they choose a team with more players just to get the ac they want

Autobalance for Dogfight Servers would be fine for me, too. As long as there are servers, providing missions for squads, I have no problem with digfighters and autobalance.

 

The only way to solve the conundrum is to spawn AI formations to balance over population of humans joining one side.

 

Wait for ME and provide such solution to server admins. As said no way a squadron is going to play on a auto-balance server...

Good idea. I like it. May some kind of system like CloD with AI planes all around the map. And I think wih the upcoming Ju-52, there will be possibilities to span AI planes on servers. May also fighters and bombers for both sides.

[Brano]

im not, im asking the players to not be idiots and even the teams

 

You will never succeed in this crusade.

[Yakdriver]

It's like... "this is a wargame. you have to play nice and fair!"
huh???

 

are you saying that i am an idiot when i play VVS, and we are on the strong side and are beating up the Luftwaffe by vulching them?

Are You suggesting i should use german equipment, that i have no clue how to handle because i don't fly Luftwaffe?
what would that bring to the Luftwaffe team - just a noob who breaks their planes.
but thanks for calling me... an "idiot".

 

You will never succeed in this crusade.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Yakdriver

[Dakpilot]

I wonder, if when the Dserver is released and perhaps the numbers limit is resolved anyone will be interested or think of implementing something like this

 

http://riseofflight.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=347&t=41828

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Generally I would say No to autobalance. We have lived without it for more than a decade in IL 1946 as in other sims. I would argue that when handing over the sense of fairness from players to a server, people tend to stop thinking about what Is fair or not.. Cuz they don't have to. By constantly have manual balance of teams in mind, urging and commenting in chat, I would say that it is more likely that pilots behave in a fair manner.. Not only in regards to teambalance but also in other aspects of the game. As this is a server option however I can live with it on Syndiacate for now, as there are so few servers. When DS is released, we will all find the servers to our likings, not only in regards to teambalance but also other server settings... type of missions... And type of clientele.!!!

 

My experience from IL2 1942 dictates that gamers looking for a more involved and objective oriented missions, with hi difficulty settings, take team balance more seriously and choose team according to balance, whence people looking for a quick and fast airquake take the plane they want to fly, ignoring the balance aspect... in general!!!! Therefor servers of the first type don't really need such a setting, but the 2nd type would benefit of such a feature.

 

2 cents

[RydnDirty]

Syndicate has been limiting the number of F4 and fw190 so that many people would rather jump in a yak1 or La5 at the front , rather than fly a He111 from the rear  and resupply an airfield.  Or fly a G2 from the rear field. Since they have been doing this the balance has been much better on this server and for the first time I can join the team with less players and fly a german plane.

 

You have to understand, we are playing with some self centered, childish, narcissists who always want to play with the advantage. I would like to fly the FW190 from time to time but I guess I'll just go and fly the inferior planes because they want to fly the best plane EVERY time they play. 

 

I have contempt for anyone who jumps in a 109 when Germany already out numbers Russia and then goes and strafes the guys taking off in Laggs...

 

There is a thing called reciprocal altruism that some of them may have to google... It is best for the group if we all take turns sharing the burden of flying the inferior planes and that way we all get a chance to fly the superior planes that everyone likes. 

 

Honestly though it is much more satisfying flying Russia and getting kills with teamwork and good flying than flying the easy plane. Not such a victory when the plane is better than the pilot.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Personally I quite like being outnumbered. It concentrates the mind.

Well said, agree completely

 

 

There is a thing called reciprocal altruism that some of them may have to google... It is best for the group if we all take turns sharing the burden of flying the inferior planes and that way we all get a chance to fly the superior planes that everyone likes. 

 

 

[i've] Never thought of altruism in this context before , but you do have a point.

However, I have never considered flying an inferior plane as a burden... rather more like a challenge... and I lov'em!

Edited December 9, 2014 by SvAF/F19_Klunk