Options, options, options.

[BraveSirRobin]

What was the official reason? I honestly don't remember seeing one. Can't tell if I like it or not yet until I see it. I probably won't anyway but I would like to know the official stance behind what looks to me like an illogical decision.

 

Read through the Dev Blogs.  I'm not your secretary.

[Tektolnes]

Sassy

[SharpeXB]

Having an actual zero rating is what is really wrong with that site. At least ppl can rate them too.

Any sort of online "review" site is always bogus. No matter what the realm. It's only a place for people to go complain. Metacritic is no different.

[Tektolnes]

Anyway after some digging around the closest I could find to some sort of explanation was a comment by Loft:

 

"Secondly, we want to uphold unified gameplay principles for everyone. Flight sim is a very emotional and competitive genre, you know. Virtual pilots' strive for advantage in everything. But starting that day you may be confident: you only lose if your opponent is better."

 

And just to add to that if your opponent is better we can add or if they use the low / balanced preset which doesn't use SSAO so much, or if they've dropped a wad of money to buy top of the range stick and pedals or if they splashed out on a better monitor or have a better Internet connection, or if they've used sweetfx to change how we want the game to look. But at least we've put in a broken post processing for anybody who wants to run the game at high settings to keep things fair. Brilliant. 

[Bearcat]

What was the official reason? I honestly don't remember seeing one. Can't tell if I like it or not yet until I see it. I probably won't anyway but I would like to know the official stance behind what looks to me like an illogical decision.

 

They said that they did not have the manpower to handle all the support tickets and didn't want the boards on fire with technical issues.. but it is an illogical decision. I cannot deny that.

 

Anyway after some digging around the closest I could find to some sort of explanation was a comment by Loft:

 

"Secondly, we want to uphold unified gameplay principles for everyone. Flight sim is a very emotional and competitive genre, you know. Virtual pilots' strive for advantage in everything. But starting that day you may be confident: you only lose if your opponent is better."

 

And just to add to that if your opponent is better we can add or if they use the low / balanced preset which doesn't use SSAO so much, or if they've dropped a wad of money to buy top of the range stick and pedals or if they splashed out on a better monitor or have a better Internet connection, or if they've used sweetfx to change how we want the game to look. But at least we've put in a broken post processing for anybody who wants to run the game at high settings to keep things fair. Brilliant. 

 

This is why the whole notion of trying to prevent people from gaming the game is a slippery slope. This is why the skins implementation in both RoF and BoS (one reason any way.. the other probably has to do with net traffic and file size) is so wonky (IMO) , this is why trim is on buttons (level stabilizer not withstanding) ...  and this is the reason why, in spite of it's dated nature IL2 will be flown for a long long time because it offers up the one thing that every simmer wants most in a fashion that I am beginning to think no sim ever will again... and that is OPTIONS.

[Yakdriver]

what i find interesting -

 

 

Flight sim is a very emotional and competitive genre, you know. Virtual pilots' strive for advantage in everything. But starting that day you may be confident: you only lose if your opponent is better.

While i agree on the Character of the average  fighter Pilot being Arrogant, aggressive, overly self-confident, bragging, loudmouth, skirt hunting Guy who aims for the sun in all he does,

I hardly see or understand Combat flight Simming as competitive. Competitive as in Sports.
Who was that German who said: one Plane is a target, a pair of Planes is a Weapon.

 

When i look back...Of course, on a dogfight server, it's you and your ride versus the other Guy and his ride.

It is also true for two reds versus one blue - they compete for the kill. There have always been airquake matches like that.

But the true nature of air combat, and BoS allows us to experience this in its own awesome way, always involves teamwork - you can not make it home alone.
I see that in the Spontaneous Missions that are flown in dogfight servers.
Nobody posts dogfight logs - or track files.
But Players remember the Missions, and remember the domination they have when raiding an airfield with 20 Shtormos and 5 yaks cover.
In these scenarios they are close to the real deal - they almost reenact the actions.

 

Stats:

Are Stats fueling the Sports, competition, ego elements - at the detriment of cooperation, teamwork, communication?

i remember the old "/gunstat" command, i found it usefull to see if i hit anything, but it didnt fuel my motivation.
i remember the 1946 "stats" page when online - but i looked at that to see if i had an acceptable Ping. (today i need the BoS launcher for that - i have a constant ping of 20 on syndicate...yayyyy)

 

I would very much like to think so, that the collection and display of statistical information for all players, takes away a chunk of the WWII Simulation as it modifies the Player's behavior.

For me, the Competition is to find out who gets home in one Piece...

And in BoS it's the hardest i have ever seen.

Edited December 6, 2014 by Yakdriver

[Brano]

Or as the developer on the Steam forum said "You want an aircraft simulator or a graphics trainer?".

Me wants both

[TaX]

Ok, i must say i'm SUPER impressed with sweet FX 1.5.

I know it's just a turnaround, BUT , in the meantime for me it has been a TOTAL lifechanger.

 

Now this is a version ready for BOS: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=5716   (thanks SNOWSNIPER)

just unzip the two folders into the BOS directory and that is basically all, remember that you should disable the AA in game. (seems to be working for me with it though).

 

Here you can find some installation instructions. http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/2183-bos-and-sweetfx-works-great/?do=findComment&comment=52425

 

Finally i can enjoy this fantastic simulator.

 

 

DEVS once again, insert there the graphical customization options, you know that fiddling with this little tool does miracles, but hurry up ! Insert some options there, the game has been VERY ugly for me and almost unplayable till now !

That's NOT how it should be. The simulator is beautifull , do not let it die this way !

 

Posting this in the steam community also

Edited December 6, 2014 by TaX

[Vandal]

They locked us out of the options because we allowed them to.  Developers usually respond to overwhelming condemnation of such things, but this board is full of hardcore fanboys that will lick their boots no matter what they do.

 

The fact that we don't have these options is because the community was afraid to show it's collective outrage and therefore those that spoke out were labeled as the "fringe".

 

They won't fool me next time though.

 

 

[TaX]

They locked us out of the options because we allowed them to.  Developers usually respond to overwhelming condemnation of such things, but this board is full of hardcore fanboys that will lick their boots no matter what they do.

 

The fact that we don't have these options is because the community was afraid to show it's collective outrage and therefore those that spoke out were labeled as the "fringe".

 

They won't fool me next time though.

Yes , i must agree.

I don't really understand how these guys agree to be kicked in the A++ and still refuse to complain about the situation, and keep complaining and keep complaining.

This post really should show how, instead of them to be VERY upset, they keep defending the undefendable.

Mysteries of human nature.

Edited December 6, 2014 by TaX

[Leaf]

Yes , i must agree.

I don't really understand how these guys agree to be kicked in the A++ and still refuse to complain about the situation, and keep complaining and keep complaining.

This post really should show how, instead of them to be VERY upset, they keep defending the undefendable.

Mysteries of human nature.

 

Ha, yeah, people having different opinions is a bit of a mystery, isn't it? 

This might come as a shock to you, but some people have more fun playing the game than complaining on the forums...

And others don't see presets as a problem at all. 

 

Each to their own.

[avlSteve]

I'd sure like to see greater draw distances PRONTO.  Right now it's freaky bad.  I get like a million FPS on ultra with a graphics card that costs as much as a decent introductory electric guitar.  And I can see clearly for like 20 feet. 

 

It's a bother.

Edited December 6, 2014 by avlSteve

[SharpeXB]

They locked us out of the options because we allowed them to. Developers usually respond to overwhelming condemnation of such things, but this board is full of hardcore fanboys that will lick their boots no matter what they do.

 

The fact that we don't have these options is because the community was afraid to show it's collective outrage and therefore those that spoke out were labeled as the "fringe".

 

They won't fool me next time though.

I don't believe that's the case at all. If course everyone wants custom graphic settings. Who wouldn't? Don't act like the developers did this just to spite you. Generally they have made very good design decisions in this and RoF even if some of those are different than what some players expect. It's a new era for this genre. The last time a game like this was successfully released was nearly a decade ago.

I think the most logical reason is that it simplifies things from a tech support standpoint. The first thing they need to know from a player experiencing problems is what their settings are. The answer now is 4. Not 412,967,000

Pretty logical. and flight sims get constant develoent. It's not like it will ever be "finished"

So maybe this simification is to allow them to focus on real work. I've heard there's only one programmer on the team. That gives you an idea this game is not Battlefield 4 or something.

Edited December 6, 2014 by SharpeXB

[TaX]

Ha, yeah, people having different opinions is a bit of a mystery, isn't it? 

This might come as a shock to you, but some people have more fun playing the game than complaining on the forums...

And others don't see presets as a problem at all. 

 

Each to their own.

Still, sorry but this is totally obtuse.

I'm enjoying the game too, but thanks to SweetFX: before it was almost unplayable.

Keep defending the undefendable, u're doing a good job at that.

[johncage]

 

 

this board is full of hardcore fanboys that will lick their boots no matter what they do.

 

interesting that just right after, like some pavlovian response, a few of the above mentioned showed up to do exactly as you wrote.

 

but to be fair, i saw plenty of people ask for custom settings, the overwhelming response from the community was something akin to "this is a flight sim on pc, what do you think?"

 

i think the problem is actually complacency, not fanboys.

[BraveSirRobin]

Yes , i must agree.

I don't really understand how these guys agree to be kicked in the A++ and still refuse to complain about the situation, and keep complaining and keep complaining.

This post really should show how, instead of them to be VERY upset, they keep defending the undefendable.

Mysteries of human nature.

 

The reason I'm not constantly complaining about minor issues is because I'm not a complete a-hole.  If they implement some feature that I dislike enough to complain constantly, I'll just find something else to do with my time instead. 

[TaX]

AHAHAHAHAHAH !

Sorry but this is supid enough, i reached my maximum level of absorbed studipity  i'm out.

Minor issues.... AHAHAAHAHA !

[Yakdriver]

,,,at least he is having a good time... listen at that laugh...!

:-P

[Leaf]

Calling others stupid for having a different opinion. Nice. 

Now that this thread has kind of run its course, may I suggest a lock?

[CorsairHundo]

Just kick the children or ones with that iq level.

 

 

 

Calling others stupid for having a different opinion. Nice.

 

Now that this thread has kind of run its course, may I suggest a lock?

[dburne]

I think the most logical reason is that it simplifies things from a tech support standpoint. The first thing they need to know from a player experiencing problems is what their settings are. The answer now is 4. Not 412,967,000

Pretty logical. and flight sims get constant develoent. It's not like it will ever be "finished"

So maybe this simification is to allow them to focus on real work. I've heard there's only one programmer on the team. That gives you an idea this game is not Battlefield 4 or something.

 

The below was the response from the developer over on the Steam forums on this topic:

 

 

<<< Originally posted by weptalo:

Have you purchased a flight sim or a graphical settings trainer? I believe it's a sim, and presets only save you loads of time so you don't have to dance around the options menu. There's a certain way that we want the game to look like, and we put it into presets. >>>

 

 

Edited December 6, 2014 by dburne

[TaX]

Calling others stupid for having a different opinion. Nice. 

 

Now that this thread has kind of run its course, may I suggest a lock?

I called this stupidity and i can can confirm that statement, i've tried to be nice and polite with you guys, but there's no way out.

That is what i think.

Calling this absurd lock of options "minor issue" can't be called differently.

You are a bounch of funboys ! And that's it !

I'll keep enjoying the game as you do but i'm refusing do drop the ball on this matter.

I want the options that should be there. Like everyone(except hardcorde defenders like you).

Edited December 6, 2014 by TaX

[SharpeXB]

The below was the response from the developer over on the Steam forums on this topic:

 

 

<<< Originally posted by weptalo:

Have you purchased a flight sim or a graphical settings trainer? I believe it's a sim, and presets only save you loads of time so you don't have to dance around the options menu. There's a certain way that we want the game to look like, and we put it into presets. >>>

Then there's the answer to the question.

[SharpeXB]

I'm enjoying the game too, but thanks to SweetFX: before it was almost unplayable.

How does SweetFX transform the game from unplayable to playable?

[Leaf]

 

You are a bounch of funboys ! And that's it !

 

(except hardcorde defenders like you).

 

Had a good laugh at that -- thanks!

I've been critical enough of this game, right now I'm just enjoying it as it is.

I want graphical options too, but for me they don't hold that much importance. That's just in my case. That's my opinion. Is that OK with you?

[taildraggernut]

Priceless, attack the OP for having an opinion and then pretend it is your own opinion under attack.

[TaX]

Guys, out your beautiful reality where this game has just minor issues, there is another where people buy it and CAN'T run and play properly.

Took 4-5 days fiddling with setting and configuration files for me, to actually starting to enjoy it.

 

And that is because people doesn't even know how to lower the gamma, trick the engine and use Sweet Fx.

 

If you are fine, then ok.

Keep playing.

But not even protesting and defending these arbitrary option locks, will just help this game to die faster in non-sense. 

 

And now, really enough.

I don't usually like to argue with concrete walls.

Edited December 6, 2014 by TaX

[CorsairHundo]

I'm pretty sure most people that are supporting this devoloper no matter what they dislike are just giddy there's a new flight combat sim. There's really not much competitition, DCS isn't really as there more non prop as a whole.

 

The quote above from management says it all, they want the game to look a certain way no matter how the client wants it.

 

 

Guys, out your beautiful reality where this game has just minor issues, there is another where people buy it and CAN'T run and play properly.

Took 4-5 days fiddling with setting and configuration files for me, to actually starting to enjoy it.

 

And that is because people doesn't even know how to lower the gamma, trick the engine and use Sweet Fx.

 

If you are fine, then ok.

Keep playing.

But not even protesting and defending these arbitrary option locks, will just help this game to die faster in non-sense.

 

And now, really enough.

I don't usually like to argue with concrete walls.

[BraveSirRobin]

Guys, out your beautiful reality where this game has just minor issues, there is another where people buy it and CAN'T run and play properly.

 

 

Maybe it would help if you posted a video showing how the game is unplayable for you.  It works great for me.

[TJ_TAS]

Tax I feel for you. My solution was just to abandon the game. I occasionally come and check to see if anything has changed but it doesn't. I too want the option to configure the sim to suit the way I want to play, I could give a rats ass about multiplayer. I would only want to fly with my old Il2 buddies who I know wouldn't want to cheat if the options were there. As it is this game is so bad that I have simply advised anyone i know who might be thinking about buying it to not bother. The devs were so adamant that they were not going to make the same mistake as CLOD that they made a whole other bunch of poor decisions and screw ups. To the point that it is imho worse than clod. At least that had a non boring map, options and a mission editor of sorts. I really should have known with this developer. ROF although great has its own share of fatal flaws which they never seem to fix. The campaign in that title is still a beta and heavily bugged but they have never fixed it either.

[Bearcat]

Locking.

 

Look guys... This sim doesn't need a squadron of defenders to come to it's rescue every time someone complains. While I too am indeed sick of the incessant griping... griping is to be expected to some degree. It is what it is folks  and since this forum is dynamic in nature and conversations ebb and flow it is not going to go away.. At the same time those of us who do not have the same issues or who may have the same issues but not see them the same way need to be mindful of being combative and condescending to other forum members. This is our forum so let's be civil. If your issues with the sim are such that you just cannot stomach it no matter what you do and you cannot control yourself in your posting here then perhaps you should just find somewhere else to post those complaints.. Likewise.. if you cannot accept the fact that some folks are just not happy with the sim and until some things are changed they will not be truly happy.. and you can't control your responses .. perhaps you too should find somewhere else to post as well. 

 

Civility is the operative word ladies and germs and what will always cause issues with me is when people start to insult and belittle other members constantly. We all have slips of the tongue.. but when slips become slides..

 

To the OP.. ok so you have stated your case.. and I am glad you are working things out to some degree.. I think it's safe to lock this thread as you have made your point and your issues quite clear. Bear in mind that no one is defending the locks.. or the unlocks. IMO there is no defense for them. However.. it is what it is. It is a decision the developers made and for the moment at least, whether we like it or not, we will have to live with them. Or not fly the sim. Complaints only go so far and after a while they become more than just complaints and just needless noise so let's just temper our dissatisfaction with a little  common sense and decorum.

 

PMs have gone out to a few individuals.. If I have to address the issues in the PMs again they will be addressed with posting restrictions.