Options, options, options.

[TaX]

They told in developers diary that the users woundn't have proper and much expected options ? I don't think so.

[Brano]

Dont think.Read those DDs.

Other possibility is to spam Microsoft Game Studios forum and ask them where is your CFS4  

[TaX]

Sorry, i don't really get your point at this (eheh) point.

If you defend those arbitrary decisions to not open up the game to user's customization is just you that should go ask microsoft for CFS4

 

Or maybe you should buy a playstation and buy a flight game.

That would be much faster.

 

And another question at this point.

You founders  want this sim to die too ? 

It's happening so fast that you will be shocked to know about the fact that is already in a very bad position.

 

If this sim/game stops selling you will never see any pacific campaign, planes, active and involved community.

Alot have already lost hopes, lots are quitting and loosing interest in it And that's no joke at all.

 

Don't worry, be happy

[Vaxxtx]

Vaxx you need to stop it. Just stop it. Nothing is further from the truth and dadgummit if you can't friggin contribute to the discussion with anything other than your usual negative tripe then why do you even come here? Just to stir up nonsense? Everybody knows the deal by now and nobody.... NOBODY is thinking that there are no issues with this sim so for you to come in here and talk that  foolishness is just not right. If you don't want to try to at least make what it is better then please just stay away man...  Yeah yeah yeah.. you have the right to be here.. you paid for the sim.. and yeah yeah yeah you have the right to complain as a paying customer... but when you post this insulting condescending tripe all it does is make things worse.

 

 

 

..............

I said it before, if someone wants to push a refund on my account through, I will have no reason to post here.

 

Until then, you are correct, I paid for the sim and can post my thoughts. I will continue to do so just as others do. My thoughts dont align with yours and that makes you mad. Your the one with moderating powers and I am sure I will slip up again so you will have a vacation from my horrible postings.

 

And pointing out the issues with BoS is showing people/devs where this game needs to be improved. I am not one to "suck it up, and deal with it" so to speak.

[Yakdriver]

The thing is... me as another visitor, do i really need to deal with people (unspecific) who complain about the same old things again and again?
It gets tiring... i hope you understand that.

and BC is in double trouble. he is both a moderator and a liker and user of the sim.
It would be cool if the complainers dropped their Bombs, and let it go.

 

Either things change... or not. Coming back for more Bombruns on a dead horse makes no sense - it is a wasted effort.

[TaX]

The thing is... me as another visitor, do i really need to deal with people (unspecific) who complain about the same old things again and again?

 

The funny thing, as explained before, is that infact you don't have to.

 

 

Until then, you are correct, I paid for the sim and can post my thoughts

That's true Vaxxtx, but perhaps talking about "dark plots" going in here, it's just out of that scope in my opinion.

I've been treated with respect , even if i started a big mess around here.

[Vaxxtx]

The funny thing, as explained before, is that infact you don't have to.

That's true Vaxxtx, but perhaps talking about "dark plots" going in here, it's just out of that scope in my opinion.

I've been treated with respect , even if i started a big mess around here.

Not sure what you mean about "dark plots". Sorry.

[TaX]

Not sure what you mean about "dark plots". Sorry.

Just the statement and the assumptions that "here are all dev's" and "your'e barking to the wind" should be revised in my opinion, that's all.

I can tell you that while probably i'm not getting anywhere (who knows) with my complaints, i've been granted the right to speak of what i don't like and defended from trolling assumptions.

[SharpeXB]

While what you write is true , we must not forget the promises and why this project has been approved and founded by users.

This was supposed to be a flight simulator in every aspect.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the difficulty presets that can't be done? There's actually quite a bit of flexibility with the two that are available. Since they are almost certainly tied into the campaign progress and unlocks and possibly future award content I would not expect the Devs reversal on this.

Making every single difficulty or game aid a server side option in flight sims is just disastrous. Two levels is enough especially with the flexibility BoS has.

[Yakdriver]

Wrong. The negativity is in every thread, every page, and every where.

even the "i absolutely love the game" kind of threads have bullshit in them.

what are those with moderate views, those that accept the game for what it is, +point out flaws+hope for fixes... what do you want us to do?
Your answer suggests we stay away from every thread every page and every thing.

That would mean leaving the place to the hardcore complainers.
I mean...?!

 

 

Look at your example... have the game play a bit, come to the forum, not to voice your experience but vent your anger.
those that Love, like, embrace, grudgingly accept the game even with the wellknown flaws have to deal with that negativity.

I ask you - is that all you have to offer?

I ask you - do you want to ruin the Day of the positive and Moderate users?

Wether or not this is your goal, you could at least be so smart and chose an appropriate title to warn us

[game sucks!] options options options

then at least i won't make the effort to listen to your... opinions and will not try to inform you of the status quo.
because clearly, in this example, informing you is not what you want. Venting is.

Nothing can be turned around from negative to positive, there is no way for us to avoid the bombdropping.
awesome? Thanks for that?

 

I find it sad, cause you are an avid Flightsimmer, and you could become a competent IL-2 pilot.
you could get your money's worth by merely focussing on the good instead of the bad?

 

or at least show that you really like some aspects of the game, and drop a few screenshots of the (few?) things you like?
But when the first Post is a Bomb of complaints, then what... can you be convinced that the game rocks?
Very hard to take.

If the game is so bad... why even bother?

Edited December 5, 2014 by Yakdriver

[TaX]

Ehehe. Enough guys, enough.

At least i tried.

As you keep repeting that is fine for you and i repeat that is not for me we are going anywhere at all.

Edited December 5, 2014 by TaX

[Yakdriver]

Look - if you wrote a mail with your complaints, and sent these complaints directly to the men who can make the changes, that would be awesome.
I would love to do that too.

However, this is just your average Forum with people who play the game.

Talking in here, talking to us... is not talking to the people who program the game.

You are talking to a wall here.

We can not change a damn thing, only listen to you and tell you what we know, give you our best tricks to help you.

and we can only do THAT... if we have the impression that it is possible to help you.

We cannot change the game.

The guys that can change the game are not here.

 

[Vaxxtx]

The guys that can change the game are not here.

 

So the posts by the 1c/777 here on this forum are just peoples imagination?

 

Sheesh.

[TaX]

 

Look - if you wrote a mail with your complaints, and sent these complaints directly to the men who can make the changes, that would be awesome.
I would love to do that too.

However, this is just your average Forum with people who play the game.

Talking in here, talking to us... is not talking to the people who program the game.

You are talking to a wall here.

We can not change a damn thing, only listen to you and tell you what we know, give you our best tricks to help you.

and we can only do THAT... if we have the impression that it is possible to help you.

We cannot change the game.

The guys that can change the game are not here.

 

 

Look, if you instead of talking about how good the "sim" is, and about my imaginary shade accounts, would have being supporting me, there could have been a chance that devs, in their forums, noticing how much people want the proposed changes for a better (and trust me, BETTER) simulation , could have taken that into account, to think about something to actually implement - some - of the proposed changes.

They are lurking around here they are indeed concerned about the community that will support their sim.

Infact, sorry to say, but you kept babbling condiscendent non-sense , and that your'e fine with no options. So, now, sorry again to ask, but: why are you even still replying to this topic ?

 

Nothing personal 

Edited December 5, 2014 by TaX

[Dakpilot]

So the posts by the 1c/777 here on this forum are just peoples imagination?

 

Sheesh.

 

But those 1C/777 people who post, do not pay attention to long complaint threads, they read correctly submitted bug reports and dev suggestions, and occasionally to replies in the dev diary chats.

 

They have said multiple times they have a plan to work to and are doing just that, when it is completed they can step back and assess the next move

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[SharpeXB]

So

Keep Calm and Carry On

[TaX]

But those 1C/777 people who post, do not pay attention to long complaint threads, they read correctly submitted bug reports and dev suggestions, and occasionally to replies in the dev diary chats.

 

They have said multiple times they have a plan to work to and are doing just that, when it is completed they can step back and assess the next move

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Wrong assumption, Zak was reading this topic

[Yakdriver]

So the posts by the 1c/777 here on this forum are just peoples imagination?

 

Sheesh.

are those the ones changing the game?

 

are the Gus working on the code posting here to acknowledge the problems and say "yes, we are taking this and that and that on our to do list, thanks for pointing it out"

Yes we understand the unspeakable sucks you we understand you want it out.

Yes we understand you wanna fiddle with the graphics settings, we'll get to that sometime down the road.

Well, the unspeakabe is here to stay, but we acknowledge the idea to grind in Multiplayer - we note the idea down.

We understand the presets are not what everyone likes, and we acknowledge your arguments you present to open up the difficulty settings for both offline and online servers.

 

I see none of that...  not by the programmers, not by the staff.

and i hang about this place like it's my living room.

But by the amount of complaints there are... they would need 5 people here, only acknowledging the complaints 24/7 :-P

an impossible task.

 

 

and even if such acknowledgements were to be done, would they be done by the Guys in charge of the programming? Those that take action on the files?

Forums are a part of relations, in our case public relations.

Therefor we interfere with the people who handle relations.

I understand this place to be something like The customer Support Place talking to the Customer Support Crew.

 

Not the Backoffice where the changes are made...

Sometimes the Backoffice guys come out and show us what they are up to.

but they are not the ones handling the complaints - not directly.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Yakdriver

[Tektolnes]

Yakdriver the forums are a place for people to discuss the game and are useful to devs to get a sense what the community think about stuff / take a temperature check even if they don't respond directly to what we're saying. You might not like what's being said but the ignore function / bottle of whiskey, revolver and a walk out into the woods is there for when it all gets too much to bear. 

[Vaxxtx]

are those the ones changing the game?

 

are the Gus working on the code posting here to acknowledge the problems and say "yes, we are taking this and that and that on our to do list, thanks for pointing it out"

Yes we understand the unspeakable sucks you we understand you want it out.

Yes we understand you wanna fiddle with the graphics settings, we'll get to that sometime down the road.

Well, the unspeakabe is here to stay, but we acknowledge the idea to grind in Multiplayer - we note the idea down.

We understand the presets are not what everyone likes, and we acknowledge your arguments you present to open up the difficulty settings for both offline and online servers.

 

I see none of that...  not by the programmers, not by the staff.

and i hang about this place like it's my living room.

But by the amount of complaints there are... they would need 5 people here, only acknowledging the complaints 24/7 :-P

an impossible task.

 

 

and even if such acknowledgements were to be done, would they be done by the Guys in charge of the programming? Those that take action on the files?

Forums are a part of relations, in our case public relations.

Therefor we interfere with the people who handle relations.

I understand this place to be something like The customer Support Place talking to the Customer Support Crew.

 

Not the Backoffice where the changes are made...

Sometimes the Backoffice guys come out and show us what they are up to.

but they are not the ones handling the complaints - not directly.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11664-fm-claims-respond/ there is one example. Want more? Just look.

 

If this thread hurts you so much, why do you keep posting? You are upset about the OP, sick of complaints, but you keep contributing.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11664-fm-claims-respond/ there is one example. Want more? Just look.

 

If this thread hurts you so much, why do you keep posting? You are upset about the OP, sick of complaints, but you keep contributing.

Digital VVS must defend! NOT ONE STEP BACK.

[Yakdriver]

Hurts?

so far its going rather well, i see nobody dropping Bombs on the game.
Got some time to spare while the potatoes and the meat get ready that's all...

That's exactly what the repeathed complaints feel like, raaaid. good Picture.
i flew with a bunch of "1946" veterans once, and i was so pissed off by the constant "are we there yet" elements in our conversations about BoS...

nope. life too short for dat.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Yakdriver

[sturmkraehe]

in the old times tinkering with the settings you could hugely improve plane spotting, maybe fair game?

 

anyway i would love to take reflections and shadows off as as now i need to change my pc to play

 

Srry but I don't buy this. What is unfair in improving the spotting visibility through graphic options if this option is available to all? There are other issues with unfair advantage like Saitek programming software that is not available for all. 

 

If with NO requirement to hardware or programming abilities people can improve some features by simply tuning graphic settings in game everybody can do it and then there is no way to call this unfair or cheating. That's quite like allowing people to set their fuel amount.

[CorsairHundo]

Is there a report or way to access how many people bought the game. Also the ability to see how many players are playing (I guess that would be MP) at a given time. And how many people have bought bos since it was released with the "options" or lack of?

[Bearcat]

I said it before, if someone wants to push a refund on my account through, I will have no reason to post here.

Until then, you are correct, I paid for the sim and can post my thoughts. I will continue to do so just as others do. My thoughts dont align with yours and that makes you mad. Your the one with moderating powers and I am sure I will slip up again so you will have a vacation from my horrible postings.

And pointing out the issues with BoS is showing people/devs where this game needs to be improved. I am not one to "suck it up, and deal with it" so to speak.

 

I have no control over refunds. If it were up to me... 

 

You can do just as others do ... as long as you don't get condescending. Your thoughts not aligning with mine do not make me mad. What makes me raise an eyebrow and what prompted my post to you that you quoted  was the little gem of wisdom highlighted below... ...

 

TaX, as much as your view on these bad game design decisions in regards to basic options makes perfect sense. You are barking up the wrong tree with most of the company here.

Too many people cannot fathom there being an issue with their favorite game.

Many others agree with you me included. Its a huge disappointment and will come back to bite them in butt moving forward. It already has if you care about looking at charts and activity.

 

It has nothing to do with people not being able to fathom an issue with their favorite game... No one can deny that there are issues with BoS and that statement is condescending to anyone who has decided to move on in spite of the problems. You can take my suck it up and deal with it statement however you want to but truth be told that is what we all have to do. At least until such time as the issues in question get changed if they ever do. We suck it up and deal with it ... like men ... either by walking away as some have chosen to do .. or by just doing what needs to be done .. as others.. like myself have chosen to do.. but doing nothing but spamming the boards and insulting folks who just refuse to be as outraged as you are is not what needs to happen and will not be tolerated. 

[TaX]

I think that reports wont help so mutch.

The fact is that everyone expects full customization and options from a simulator. And in this case alot of people (like me indeed) doesn't even suspect that this game/sim has not even basic options; this applies more if they played Rise of Flight from the same team or if they legitimately expect a new Il2-1946. The people that was not in early access and didn't follow the development, bought this at official release almost sure to what expect from this team.But surprise instead ! They go mad and run on metacritic to give this game a nice ZERO.

[CorsairHundo]

I think that reports wont help so mutch.

The fact is that everyone expects full customization and options from a simulator. And in this case alot of people (like me indeed) doesn't even suspect that this game/sim has not even basic options; this applies more if they played Rise of Flight from the same team or if they legitimately expect a new Il2-1946. The people that was not in early access and didn't follow the development, bought this at official release almost sure to what expect from this team.But surprise instead ! They go mad and run on metacritic to give this game a nice ZERO.

It may not help but will give everyone an idea who still bought the game even with the challenges that are present. For me the unlocks are a concern along with the limited graphic adjustments. I have an I5 with a 2gb card stock that plays DCS at about 40-60fps but I've customized my settings to get better results. Back on the stats page, most sims I've owned have a page to view such things. Oh well, I'll keep hovering

[No601_Swallow]

Vaxxtx, SimHQ appears to be the place to go vent your outrage.  

 

I think that reports wont help so mutch.

The fact is that everyone expects full customization and options from a simulator. And in this case alot of people (like me indeed) doesn't even suspect that this game/sim has not even basic options; this applies more if they played Rise of Flight from the same team or if they legitimately expect a new Il2-1946. The people that was not in early access and didn't follow the development, bought this at official release almost sure to what expect from this team.But surprise instead ! They go mad and run on metacritic to give this game a nice ZERO.

 

 

Oh such cant. (I've checked my typing there!). "Everyone" expects a sim that works. Which we mostly seem to have. Which is something of a rarity in this day and age.

Edited December 5, 2014 by No601_Swallow

[Bearcat]

It may not help but will give everyone an idea who still bought the game even with the challenges that are present. For me the unlocks are a concern along with the limited graphic adjustments. I have an I5 with a 2gb card stock that plays DCS at about 40-60fps but I've customized my settings to get better results. Back on the stats page, most sims I've owned have a page to view such things. Oh well, I'll keep hovering

 

Fully understandable.

[TaX]

You bet it works ! But without basic options.

You can still keep writing whatever you want. The options will still be missing.

Corsair i was just saying that many could have bought it without even knowing about the difficulties. Like me indeed.

[BraveSirRobin]

You can complain all you want, the options you want will still be missing.

[TaX]

Who knows

[BraveSirRobin]

We all know.  They've been quite clear about it.

[CorsairHundo]

Fully understandable.

I forgot to add (can't edit my post?) that at $50 I'd be in even with the challenges but at $100 it's a different ballgame

[Mac_Messer]

The people that was not in early access and didn't follow the development, bought this at official release almost sure to what expect from this team.But surprise instead ! They go mad and run on metacritic to give this game a nice ZERO.

Having an actual zero rating is what is really wrong with that site. At least ppl can rate them too.

[TaX]

I absolutely agree with you. There are alot of 3 and 4 there too. That site is basically the home of the biased opinions , but it gives you the idea on how the big audience react to a product.

[Tektolnes]

We all know.  They've been quite clear about it.

 

They've been clear about the action. Any official explanation about the reason for the action has been completely absent AFAIK. If they plan on leaving us with presets only they should at least tell us why and when they plan on fixing the broken post processing (something else they've never acknowledged either AFAIK). 

[BraveSirRobin]

They've been clear about the action. Any official explanation about the reason for the action has been completely absent AFAIK. If they plan on leaving us with presets only they should at least tell us why and when they plan on fixing the broken post processing (something else they've never acknowledged either AFAIK). 

 

I'm pretty sure they said they would make an evaluation of the situation and announce future plans in December.  It's not the end of December yet.

 

(as an aside, I believe they explained the reasoning for presets a long time ago.  You not liking the reason is not the same as them not giving a reason.)

Edited December 5, 2014 by BraveSirRobin

[Vaxxtx]

They've been clear about the action. Any official explanation about the reason for the action has been completely absent AFAIK. If they plan on leaving us with presets only they should at least tell us why and when they plan on fixing the broken post processing (something else they've never acknowledged either AFAIK). 

Since they have never addressed this, I assume it has to do with marketing. Same reason there a lot of defense put up. They don't want the game running on lower settings and having people post videos like that. With that though it comes people wanting better settings, or certain settings, and that option taken away from them.

 

That's the only sense I could make out of it.

 

Or as the developer on the Steam forum said "You want an aircraft simulator or a graphics trainer?".

[Tektolnes]

(as an aside, I believe they explained the reasoning for presets a long time ago.  You not liking the reason is not the same as them not giving a reason.)

 

What was the official reason? I honestly don't remember seeing one. Can't tell if I like it or not yet until I see it. I probably won't anyway but I would like to know the official stance behind what looks to me like an illogical decision.