New planes

[Kozedub]

Do you have a plan to make some new planes??? for example IL-4, Pe-8, or La-7 thanks

[Potenz]

Last updated there were a few screens of the Ju-52, so yes planes will come in time

as the theatre is expanded

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13178-developer-diary-part-85-discussion/

[Finkeren]

Do you have a plan to make some new planes??? for example IL-4, Pe-8, or La-7 thanks

 

Yes they do. But none of the 3 you mention are on schedule for now, which is a real shame for the IL-4 (don't really know what you'd do with the other 2 with a 1942 plane set and a Stalingrad map)

[150GCT_Veltro]

I-16, Yak-7, Mig-3

[Ala13_Kike]

not where I saw that the theory would be JU52 (IA), summer/spring map,  Mig3 and I16...no bad if this is true

[Y-29.Silky]

The P-40 was flown over Stalingrad. I think this plane would balance the countries out and end the Bf-109 BnZ seal clubbin and be a nice stepping stone for another theater.

 

Pe-8 was probably used more than the Il-4 at Stalingrad, along with the Li-2.

 

La-7? Come on now. That's probably the main reason why the devs brush these aircraft requests off, is because people are already requesting 1944 aircraft.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Silky

[LeLv76_Erkki]

The P-40? Yes please, more easy meat to the grinder.

 

To challenge Bf 109 in its own game you need fighters better than that.

[Y-29.Silky]

The P-40? Yes please, more easy meat to the grinder.

 

To challenge Bf 109 in its own game you need fighters better than that.

Seriously? The P-40 was nearly as fast as the 109s and could perform at high altitude, and out dive it . And its balancing while adding an aircraft that actually fought in the battle. Edited December 2, 2014 by Silky

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

not where I saw that the theory would be JU52 (IA), summer/spring map, Mig3 and I16...no bad if this is true

Well it doesn't take much interpretation to know that.

 

Devs published docus of both the I-16 and the Mig-3 before alpha acess started and explained their wish to include them ingame numsreous times during EA.

 

Let's wait for their announcement about BoS future. If everything goes right they start working on a new theatre with a new planeset soon (most likely Kuban).

 

Regarding the P-40...well loom at it's power to weight ratio and you'll change your mind.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Time altitude is all that makes this plane simply hard to use in the environment like this, I mean at best P-40E would reach 6000 meters in slightly less than 12 minutes. Usually that was more like 14 minutes and 12 seconds. The worst scenario had RAAF, with some P-40's reaching 6000 meters in 17 minutes.

There are bombers which climb better...

 

 

Personally I wish to see I-16. Rata looks weird ... but interesting and is simply a symbol of the VVS. 

[Descolada]

the p40 would do better than the yak but not by much

 

youd have to be patient too, but if youre patient enough to climb up to 16kish (i think thats optimal performance) and patient enough to reach its rather high cruise speed you could do pretty well

 

i think  the 50s would absolutely maul things in this game though

 

you would also at elast have the option of diving away

Edited December 3, 2014 by Descolada

[JG1_Pragr]

I wish for the Henschel Hs-129B. It's very sad that this plane is ignored by all sim developers though it play more important role on eastern front than JaBos. And it would be a real counterpart for Il-2

[Y-29.Silky]

I-16/Mig-3.. Why add planes that haven't even fought in the battle, before adding the ones that did fight in the battle? Especially the ones that would just be even more cannon fodder for Germany..

 

Pragr also has a point.. The green high lights are factories in Stalingrad..

 

Edited December 3, 2014 by Silky

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I wish for the Henschel Hs-129B. It's very sad that this plane is ignored by all sim developers though it play more important role on eastern front than JaBos. And it would be a real counterpart for Il-2

Indeed both the Hneschel as well as the Bf110 F were the Luftwaffes prime ground attack planes in the east. The Stuka also participated in this role but lacked the armour and survivebility both had.

The Bf-110 had several field kits like a single Bk.37, fixed MG gunpods or different type of special bombs. It's speed made it a nice hit and run plane. The Henschel on the toehr hand - although heavily armoured - is quite the contary.

 

It's like the Marder series of airplanes build from scrap parts but it did the job suprisingly well neverthanless. Hope the Hs 129 to be added for sure with it's tiny cramped cockpit

Edited December 4, 2014 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Crump]

 

 

I wish for the Henschel Hs-129B.

 

  

 

What a cool design.  Hope it gets in the game.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I would buy the 129 well before the -52. Just sayin.....

[=CFC=Conky]

Don't forget about the Hs-123; some participated in the BoS and the type served up until mid-1944 on the Eastern front. 

 

According to Wikipedia:

 

"The greatest tribute to the Hs 123 usefulness came in January 1943 when Generaloberst Wolfram von Richthofen, then commander-in-chief of Luftflotte 4, asked whether production of the Hs 123 could be restarted because the Hs 123 performed well in a theater where mud, snow, rain and ice took a heavy toll on the serviceability of more advanced aircraft."

 

Good hunting

CFC_Conky

[BzKBravoZulu]

Give me a Russian lend lease Spitfire ... Anyday of the week...

 

[Yakdriver]

The LaGG3 S4 from BoM.
as soon as that is being made available - i will get it. even at 20$. that thing is the shizzle.

else i wish for the classic eastern front planes.

 

Emils[3/4/7/B/N] <--> Mig3, LaGG S4

B stuka, <--> Su-2

Ju88 family, <--> SB-2 family

110F/G <--> Pe-3(+cannonpack)
He129 <--> Il-2 AM35 (and completed weapon sets)

 

AI only:
Storch <--> Po-2

Ju-52 <--> Li-2

[johncage]

jesus i can't imagine how boring the ju 52 campaign missions will be.

[fergal69]

don't forget the FW189 

[352ndFG_Ty_]

jesus i can't imagine how boring the ju 52 campaign missions will be.

 

 

LOL!! Stop ..ur killing me...lol

 

oh my...fly over here, land, fly over here land...bring the colonel his coffee yada yada. 

 

Ty

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

jesus i can't imagine how boring the ju 52 campaign missions will be.

You should read/look on some videos about the air lift. Its allot more interested than you might think.

[Yakdriver]

Now How narrow minded is that?

Go ask any Ju-52 Pilot if his "8 to 5" shift was Boring.
I am sorry... But this is beyond me.

You fly the slowest, Ugliest, most Outdated Transport piece of Schrott over the most evil terrain to supply the most Buttplugged part of the entire Wehrmacht with Goods.
You got Fuel aboard. Ammo. Have fun surviving the Yaks.

ah no you got a defense, right? the single MG up top, and maybe the Co will stand on his seat and shoot the one installed on the front canopy.
Maybe you got a Bunch of OKW Kids aboard that break some windows and shoot with their MG-42 out the rear Window.

 

Hearing them scream in agony, as the Russian 85mm shrapnell tears them to pieces is boring to you?
How about that cargo, that suddenly slips aft... and the CG shifts... and the nose goes up... boring as fudgepie, all right.

 

 

Your Mission states you need to land, taxi, wait for the Human Pieces of meat that you have for cargo today...

You stand there in the middle of Nowhere, and the katyushas are Raining down on you... a few Hundred of the RS-82 like rockets, heading your way. and you sit there - no chance to escape.

 

Flying the Ju-52 with no guns to shoot, no place to go took some nerve.
and i bet a fiver that a LOT of us would just ragequit the Ju-52 missions, because of the utterly defensive and helpless position it would Put us.

The Ju-52 would be a mental stresstest that half of us could not take for 10 missions in a row.
 

The Joke is... the Ju-52 will stay AI only... guess you didn't know that.
 

Whoops.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Yakdriver

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

It appeals to a different kind of people. Some want to sit back and relax, enjoy flying their jurney without always having to watch out for contacts. Just pure flying and navigation.

 

Until you reach the combat zone of course. Unlike fughter pilots bomber and transport pilots had to carefully plan their flight route to avoid enemy defencives as much as possible since they overall were more limited in their space of movement.

 

I know some guys that don't like the rather fast pace fighter pilot duty and much preferred flying only bombers and transport planes.

 

In Mp it is just great fun to take off in a 4 heinkel transport Rotte and heading to the destinated location in formation knowing the enemy can strike any time.

 

Thats basicly the "kick" you get, not trying to shoot others down but to stay alive under worst possible conditions.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[310_cibule]

Now How narrow minded is that?

 

Go ask any Ju-52 Pilot if his "8 to 5" shift was Boring.

I am sorry... But this is beyond me.

 

You are right. I also prefer flyable Po-2 "Kukuruznik" in this game.

Edited December 5, 2014 by 310_cibule

[GP*]

Let's face it, our community is full of airplane hipsters.

 

It's too common to simply like a Spit or 109. It's gotta be some obscure plane that no one else has ever heard of. And then you own it. You let everyone know just how important YOUR beloved yet unappreciated plane was.

 

And then it happens. Everyone realizes just how sophisticated you are. You are the connoisseur of WWII aviation -- a P-51 Mustang!? Peasant, please.

 

But then, in an effort to match your sophistication, others start to like your plane. So much so that it might even be put in the game! Even if it is AI only. Suddenly the interest that made you unique has become commonplace.

 

Thus the search for a new, unknown plane begins again. Quick! Lest someone mistake you for a mainstream corporate fighter jock sellout who doesn't understand the EXCITEMENT and (wait for it) HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE!!! of straight-and-level flying in an otherwise tactically-oriented sim.

 

So, that begs the question -- what's your favorite underground band...I mean aircraft? .

[Ala13_Kike]

My father was a pilot of JU52, and I can confirm that wasn't his best aircraft.

For me isn't a interesting aircraft, only for IA work...this aircraft will be the best "punching bag" of this sim 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Let's face it, our community is full of airplane hipsters.

 

You complain about people criticizing rhe fighter croud (which i havent seen im here) and yet do the same in a worse and oversarcastic manner...how constructive

 

Therebare only fighters guys, that never dared to fly a bomber or anything else the size of one.

 

Than there are pure "forniture van" pilots that demand at least 2 engines to get airborne.

 

And there are, which probably is the biggest part, guys that fly.everything devs can offer due to great interest im aviation and their support for the devs.

 

You cant point the finger at any of these groups and shou "your wishes are rubbish". That's not what the devs do anyway so you won't reccieve any attention by them.

 

The Ju52 is a very popular airplane and just as well known as the Douglas DC-3. Theres nothing strange or uncommon with it.

 

It's a combat sim, you probably agree on that. Real warfare has far more complexity than fighters flying from A to B.shooting down bad Ivans to get XP, the logistical part played an important role (and is the reason why the german defence collapsed at stalingrad).

 

It's a pure matter of taste whether people like it or don't.

If you love speedboats you probably dislike sail boats. Does it mean people who preferr sail boats shall not speak up but forced to buy speedboats?

[StG77_Kondor]

A 110/He129 for the Germans would both be a great adds. 

 

I'd also love to see the Ju-87D-5 (2x20mm's) added as well. Almost an equal number of D-5's and D-3's were made. 

[No601_Swallow]

You complain about people criticizing rhe fighter croud (which i havent seen im here) and yet do the same in a worse and oversarcastic manner...how constructive

 

(There might by a misunderstanding. Here "hipster" means something like someone who likes to be "fashionably unfashionable", someone who likes to think of themselves as someone in the "know"! I think as far as aeroplanes are concerned, that probably includes everyone here. I remember the look of incomprehension as I tried to get my father to understand that there's no 109 - there's not even a 109 F! There's a 109F2, F4, etc. He looked at me like I was mad. Basically we all love aeroplanes, and most of us like to have an obscure favourite! We're hipsters! 

 

By the way, Devs. where's my Macchi 205 Veltro????!!! Best. Plane. Evva.)

[Yakdriver]

True - before Il-2... all i knew was what the mainstream Western media showed me.

CFS2, CFS3... no magazoines , no Sims about the Eastern Front.

And along comes that Russki and his crew, and ... what? IL-2? Yakovlev? Lavo... Gud... I could hardly believe the names these Bureaus had.

 

I can understand when there is an ambition to have no AI aircraft - every Plane had its Purpose.

Every plane had its share of very specific challenges. Even the Po-2 and the Storch.

 

When you read about them, when you read the stories of the men, or see the documentaries... or maybe even visit a Museum, then these boring and possibly strange, unknown Machines come to life.

some you will like - some you won't. some you have an interest in, and will buy books about. Others you just ignore for some reason.

 

But you know - each and every Plane type, and the entire War scenario with all of its Problems, deserves your attention for a moment.

And every Pilot who flew back then, no matter what the side, deserves our Respect. These are not modern Cars, who you just switch on and drive on our Gold Plated roads.

 

Those were not Jobs, Things you do for a Pay, a living, have an union, and get cigarette breaks.

disrespecting the men who flew back then... by dropping comments using our keyboards and sitting at home is to me, completely unacceptable.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

You take it a little.too far off Yakdriver, I think we (well at least myself) referred to ingame only. I guess everyone here would kindly clean their pockets if they had a chance to fly any warbird today, no matter how "boring" they're ingame

 

At least the Ju52 makes great sense to add currently due to it's historical tiedness to the action at Stalingrad. It played a major role in the gean attempt to hold the city, which is recreated ingame.

 

Other planes - while also very interisting - can be theoreticly sceduled for a next theatre. I hope it wont be like that as much as i hope to fly the Ju52 myself over the Volga one day but at least from current standpoint the Tante Ju is almost a sure bet for being the next flyable.

[Yakdriver]

Of course i take it too far. I always do. I caricaturioze to push a point.
I take it a bit too literal. On purpose Maybe?

But then, reminding yourself of the story behind the game...
Is that so bad?

 

I think that if you do not only game the game, but keep in mind the story you revisit... makes you smarter, educated, keeps your mind bright.

I think that's defnitely a good thing.

 

 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

The reason why i am so interested of the Ju-52 is that my best friend grand dad used to tell us stories about his time in Stalingrad as a Ju-52 pilot. He was in the airlift and he talked about the missions they were doing daily and the horror he had every flight. 

 

I see the Ju-52 as a really important aircraft and mostly of its beauty Yes the Ju-52 was easily shot down and lacked defensive but the important role it had is so amazing. When they were approaching the airfields inside the pocket the german AA battery had to cover them and the Bf-109 was fighting desperatly to keep the Ju-52 in the air as the Ju-52 was helping by delivering supplies to keep the soldiers going. 

 

The thing i am hoping forward the most if devs will make it flyable is to fly with a friend as a gunner in a formation with other people while some is escorting you in fighter planes. 

 

Everybody have different taste and i just explained mine.  There was a recently thread with a poll about a Ju-52. Around 400 people answered that they wanted it and very small group of people didnt want it. I will try to find it and link here.

 

Also if il2 will continue with new theaters like Tunisia/Crete where Ju-52 was used heavily as in Stalingrad and both of these uses many of existing aircrafts in BOS. 

 

Sorry for ban English. Its not my native language  

[donkeycods]

I see the Ju-52 as a really important aircraft and mostly of its beauty Yes the Ju-52 was easily shot down and lacked defensive but the important role it had is so amazing. When they were approaching the airfields inside the pocket the german AA battery had to cover them and the Bf-109 was fighting desperatly to keep the Ju-52 in the air as the Ju-52 was helping by delivering supplies to keep the soldiers going. 

 

The thing i am hoping forward the most if devs will make it flyable is to fly with a friend as a gunner in a formation with other people while some is escorting you in fighter planes. 

 

That gave me an idea for what I think would actually be a really good, objective based, multiplayer map. A map with one airfield where the Germans try to win by getting in a certain amount of transport aircraft. I envision this being a smaller map, or at least one with the starting airfields nearby. I think this would increase the action, but also cause more teamwork. Transports would be forced to fly together with fighter escorts to ever have a hope of landing. Russians would have an objective to attack. Perhaps bombing the airfields could shut them down a couple minutes to add something for bombers to do. Anyway, I think something smaller and more objective focused would be nice as it would increase the action with less wandering the open skies with no one in sight. And, dare I say it, it might make multiplayer more fun.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

That gave me an idea for what I think would actually be a really good, objective based, multiplayer map. A map with one airfield where the Germans try to win by getting in a certain amount of transport aircraft. I envision this being a smaller map, or at least one with the starting airfields nearby. I think this would increase the action, but also cause more teamwork. Transports would be forced to fly together with fighter escorts to ever have a hope of landing. Russians would have an objective to attack. Perhaps bombing the airfields could shut them down a couple minutes to add something for bombers to do. Anyway, I think something smaller and more objective focused would be nice as it would increase the action with less wandering the open skies with no one in sight. And, dare I say it, it might make multiplayer more fun.

Thats exactly what i am thinking about The key of airlift in the game is teamwork. To win all of the people in the game have to work together to win. 

 

Btw here is the link i was talking about: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/844-tante-ju/

Edited December 5, 2014 by McKvack

[Y-29.Silky]

That gave me an idea for what I think would actually be a really good, objective based, multiplayer map. A map with one airfield where the Germans try to win by getting in a certain amount of transport aircraft. I envision this being a smaller map, or at least one with the starting airfields nearby. I think this would increase the action, but also cause more teamwork. Transports would be forced to fly together with fighter escorts to ever have a hope of landing. Russians would have an objective to attack. Perhaps bombing the airfields could shut them down a couple minutes to add something for bombers to do. Anyway, I think something smaller and more objective focused would be nice as it would increase the action with less wandering the open skies with no one in sight. And, dare I say it, it might make multiplayer more fun.

They already have thisin the LD Heavy Metal server.

[johncage]

the responses to my post makes me think not a lot of people played the campaign missions

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

the responses to my post makes me think not a lot of people played the campaign missions

I like he campaign. I'm currently halfway through chapter 2 and enjoying every mission except that my bomber wingmans never listens on me(they never release the bombs) 

 

The only thought i have about the unlocks as this is a hot topic right now is that all unlocks like bombs/gunner and that thing should already be unlocked in multiplayer but skins should be unlocked in the campaign.

I would also like that they implant XP for unlocks in multiplayer so you can unlock things through multiplayer and campaign.