A good joystick?

[WilhelmTheNeinth]

Hello everyone,

 

I was wondering whether you could give me some advice? I am looking to upgrade my joystick, however I really do not know what is a good one to go for. I am currently using an old SideWinder Precision 2, which was great back in its day, but is now showing signs of age. My budget is around £100 (can be less), and I'm looking for something which is accurate and reliable.

 

Many thanks. 

[Sim]

Thrustmaster T-16000M for $50 is very accurate and a good choice for BoS. Although the build quality matches the low price. And that green light can be quite annoying if you are playing in low light conditions - but can easily be modded out.

Edited December 1, 2014 by Sim

[indiaciki]

Cyborg F.LY. 5 maybe. Works for me. It's abot 50 €

[WilhelmTheNeinth]

Cheers! I will add those to the list. I was just looking at the Saitek x52. Does anyone know whether it's any good?

Edited December 1, 2014 by csw92

[-TBC-AeroAce]

X52 is very good for its price, it's the start of the serious joysticks. It also comes with throttle wwhich is a must, it may be out of ur budget but if I was u I would save a little more to get one

Edited December 1, 2014 by AeroAce

[WilhelmTheNeinth]

Ok, that sounds good. My budget just about allows for the x52 so I may consider it. Just one thing though...there is a "pro" version which seems to cost loads more. What's the difference between that and the standard?

[mb339pan]

Defender Cobra M5

[Georgio]

I know your budget is limited, but see if you can beg, steal or borrow the extra to get a Warthog; you'll end up there eventually anyways and it saves time... 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The pro has more metal also u can change the colour of the LEDs but apart from that they are the same I.e same sensors, accuracy, spring....

[WilhelmTheNeinth]

The Warthog looks brilliant, but sadly I don't think I'll be able to afford it. Judging by what AeroAce has said about the standard Saitek x52, it sounds like a safe bet. What do you all think? 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The x52 is a safe entry model if u want to get on the serious path. If u have a lil more cash go for the x55. If money is not an object get the warthog

[SYN_Mike77]

I use a Thrustmaster T16000 and a Saitek throttle quadrant. The three lever model. I think that came in at about $120 which puts it in your price range and I like it alot. It gives me enough control that I rarely touch my keyboard once I spawn in.

[Sokol1]

Defender Cobra M5

 

Just FIY - The actual Cobra M5 version (>12/2012 and after) don't offer more his initial advantage over other "entry level" joysticks,

which was use of VKB designed USB controller and digital "Magneto Resistor" contac less sensor.

The actual version use generic USB controller and analog contact less sensor (to lower manufacturing cost).

 

In the "entry level" joystick category the only differential was with Thrustmaster T.16000M - the use of same Digital HALL sensor used in Warthog in X, Y axis..

 

Logitech 3D, Saitek FLY, Saitek Aviator... use low cost, low durability potentiometers.

 

But in £100 range, the best cost/benefit is Saitek X-52, HOTAS format with twist rudder, HALL sensor in X, y axis. 

Since it is in the market for over 10 years, his flaws is well know, as well fix for then.

Edited December 1, 2014 by Sokol1

[Elem]

 I use an X52 Pro and have always used Saiteks. Loved them all and the latest is a fine piece of kit, although bear in mind it does not have FFB, otherwise it's perfect.

[WilhelmTheNeinth]

Thank you all very much for your replies. I ended up buying a Saitek x52 pro which was going for a good price. Really looking forward to trying it out in future aerial encounters. Catch you all soon! 

[Bearcat]

The Saitek is a good choice. I would advise you to seriously look at the profiling software. It is very powerful and will really open up the full capabilities of the stick.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The Saitek is a good choice. I would advise you to seriously look at the profiling software. It is very powerful and will really open up the full capabilities of the stick.

For other games yes but don't really have the need for BOs

[mb339pan]

 

Just FIY - The actual Cobra M5 version (>12/2012 and after) don't offer more his initial advantage over other "entry level" joysticks,

which was use of VKB designed USB controller and digital "Magneto Resistor" contac less sensor.

The actual version use generic USB controller and analog contact less sensor (to lower manufacturing cost).

 

In the "entry level" joystick category the only differential was with Thrustmaster T.16000M - the use of same Digital HALL sensor used in Warthog in X, Y axis..

 

Logitech 3D, Saitek FLY, Saitek Aviator... use low cost, low durability potentiometers.

 

But in £100 range, the best cost/benefit is Saitek X-52, HOTAS format with twist rudder, HALL sensor in X, y axis. 

Since it is in the market for over 10 years, his flaws is well know, as well fix for then.

 

 

X52 for me have 2 big problem: too weighs too little and has a bad feeling because central spring, the difference in the sensors does not matter, just that they work well, the base is great (over 1.7kg) and the stick responds better than x52, and it is heavy duty plastic, comparing the 'x52 is a toy, does not have the throttle but it also costs less then 100£ i buy defender cobra on german amazon for 52€

[Wandalen]

I been using the X-52 PRO for years now, and i am still missing my old MS sidewinder FFB with sound card game port connection.

[Sokol1]

>... and i am still missing my old MS sidewinder FFB with sound card game port connection. 

 

If you dont trown then in garbge bin, get a Teensy 2.0 (not 2.0+) and build a USB adapter.

 

https://code.google.com/p/adapt-ffb-joy/

Edited December 1, 2014 by Sokol1

[Wandalen]

>... and i am still missing my old MS sidewinder FFB with sound card game port connection. 

 

If you dont trown then in garbge bin, get a Teensy 2.0 (not 2.0+) and build a USB adapter.

 

https://code.google.com/p/adapt-ffb-joy/

 

I still got it for nostalgic reasons :-D thanks for the tip !

[Shaun85]

im tiking of gething the saitek x55 rhino flightstick

 

cuz i most like flying multi engine planes  then upgrading from my old x45 that needs retirement 

 

my gf cant hear me all the way into the bedroom when i start flying it's a little squeaky after many years of service:) 

[LizLemon]

>... and i am still missing my old MS sidewinder FFB with sound card game port connection.

 

If you dont trown then in garbge bin, get a Teensy 2.0 (not 2.0+) and build a USB adapter.

 

https://code.google.com/p/adapt-ffb-joy/

Oh wow

 

Now if I can find that power brick for the ffbp I'll be able to unlock memories of those good ole il2 days.

[RedGuard]

Been using a Saitek X52 for years, and would have kept on going had I not dropped it 2 weeks back, breaking "something" inside. Great piece of equipment.  

I then eyed a Warthog as replacement, but went for the Saitek X55 instead. Cheapish, a good-looker, and delivering all I need for BoS / CloD / DCS.  

The throttle is a little heavy to move, eventhough I set to "soft" .

 

No regret whatsoever.  

 

Red

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

From conversation with very talented dueler who did use to T.16000 since 2009 to now in ROF. He did said that this stick was not good for him in BOS and when he changed to CH fighterstick he is pleased now.

[Lensman]

I would find a very good condition Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 on an auction site. A lot of people here still use them and they are GOOD.

This application provides quite good force feedback and it makes a BIG difference in flight.

[76SQN-FatherTed]

From conversation with very talented dueler who did use to T.16000 since 2009 to now in ROF. He did said that this stick was not good for him in BOS and when he changed to CH fighterstick he is pleased now.

 

Did he say why he didn't like T16000 for BoS?  I ask because I have one

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I moved from the X-52 to the CH fighterstick and throttle and added the throttle quad as soon as I had the cash. But for a first time HOTAS the X-52 will do you right. With the SST software you can double or triple the number of buttons. Well worth it for a first time (on a budget) set up IMO. 

[avlSteve]

Started with Logitech 3D Pros, went through a couple of them.  Then jumped to CH Fighterstick (no twist axis) + Saitek throttle quadrant + Saitek combat pedals.

 

I still think I was more accurate on rudder with the 3D Pro twist because my fine motor skills are better in my wrist than my legs/feet.  Immersion over score tally in my book, so I can't look back. 

[DeafBee]

Get the best joystick ever made MSFF2 (Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2). Made back in 2006

 

I use it together with the X52 Trottle, Saitek Combat pedals and Saitek throttle quadran.

 

I love that setup.

[kissklas]

I went for the Thrustmaster t.16000m when I started out.

It is in the price range of low/mid end sticks, but it has hall effect sensors, a twist axis for rudder, a hat switch for the view,  and a throttle axis. Also there is 16 buttons on it.

So it's got really durable and precise sensors, and all you need when starting out. It is also ambidextrous which is nice.

 

It's a great start, and you can build out your setup later when money allows it.

 

I still use my Thrustmaster, and have built out my setup now with a Saitek throttle quadrant.
I am currently waiting for my rudder pedals now. Really pleased with the stick.

[DeafBee]

I went for the Thrustmaster t.16000m when I started out.

 

It is in the price range of low/mid end sticks, but it has hall effect sensors, a twist axis for rudder, a hat switch for the view,  and a throttle axis. Also there is 16 buttons on it.

So it's got really durable and precise sensors, and all you need when starting out. It is also ambidextrous which is nice.

 

It's a great start, and you can build out your setup later when money allows it.

 

I still use my Thrustmaster, and have built out my setup now with a Saitek throttle quadrant.

I am currently waiting for my rudder pedals now. Really pleased with the stick.

 

I agree the Thrustmaster is a good choice. I have that joystick too but prefer my trusted MSFF2. But the T.16000 is the most precise joystick I have tried. 

[Sokol1]

Sidewinder line production end in 2003.

BTW - Contrary to popular belief Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 USB dont use contact less sensor , use potentiometers.

 

His predecessor, Sidewindner Force Feedback PRO (gameport/USB) use contact less optical sensor.

[Bearcat]

For other games yes but don't really have the need for BOs

 

I totally disagree. You cab map every command in BoS to your stick using the profiling software. I have done that in IL2 and it works great for me.

[DeafBee]

Sidewinder line production end in 2003.

BTW - Contrary to popular belief Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 USB dont use contact less sensor , use potentiometers.

 

His predecessor, Sidewindner Force Feedback PRO (gameport/USB) use contact less optical sensor.

 

I don't see where you find which year it was ended in your link? maybe I am blind..... But you are right its much earlier than 2006. I remmember my friend about 14 years ago had the first version of the joystick with the green light

 

Anyway my joystick still works like a charm. Even have a spare if it should break.. 

Edited December 6, 2014 by 19te.Deafbee

[Sokol1]

The date is mere curiosity, but was before of iL-2 Forgothen Battles release.

 

OT - If this is  "a good joystick" I dont know, but is very "elegant":

http://www.avsim.su/forum/uploads/monthly_10_2014/post-14848-0-66413000-1413200283.jpg

http://www.avsim.su/forum/uploads/monthly_11_2014/post-14848-0-09728100-1415177835.jpg

http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/135890-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-rof/page-3

The maker, Johny247 make nice things.

Edited December 6, 2014 by Sokol1

[Sokol1]

 

http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/134786-%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%B4%D0%B2%D1%83%D1%85%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0/page-3

Edited December 6, 2014 by Sokol1

[Brano]

I am playing with an idea to get myself for Xmas that Cobra stick + Saitek throttle Quadrant.Here in my country I can get this combo for just under 100 euros.My old Saitek Evo is showing up its (moral) age   

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Did he say why he didn't like T16000 for BoS?  I ask because I have one

He said ,now the shooting is perfect. You must know that CH joystick has "a resolution" of only 255 steps but is very precise. (no dead zone etc.)

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Sidewinder line production end in 2003.

BTW - Contrary to popular belief Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 USB dont use contact less sensor , use potentiometers.

 

His predecessor, Sidewindner Force Feedback PRO (gameport/USB) use contact less optical sensor.

True.

 

More about those two:

 

 

"Obviously the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 comes with more force feedback, effects than the old Force Feedback Pro to make you vibrate with more than 100 different

effects! With a new 16bits 25Mhz processor and 2MB of RAM the SideWinder Force Feedback 2 features faster force feedback effects but the best new feature is certainly the fact that force feedback effects can now be combined. Indeed with the previous one you can feel only one force feedback effect at a time: so if you're shooting with a submachine gun while you're craft is diving you'd only felt one effect. Now with the Force Feedback 2 you'll feel both effects, great isn't it? This new feature increases the realism levels of games."