Poll: Next theatre of War?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The F8F Bearcat never flew in Korea.

 

It was a pure interceptor designed for short range fleet defense against Kamikaze.  It could carry no bombs either.

 

It was quickly phased out of service as it no longer had a role that it could meet successfully in the jet era.

 

The F4U however was a very big part of the ground support carried out by the USMC and Navy.

 

The Hawker Sea Fury also flew in Korea and actually bagged a Mig 15.

 

The USAF's first air kill of the war was a Yak 9u shot down by an F-82 Twin Mustang.

My advanced piston vs piston idea is separate from a Korean scenario. If I'm not mistaken, the Germans and the Ta 152 were not present either. I may have to read up a bit on the war over the peninsula

 

Advanced piston vs advanced piston (non-historical) could be a LOT of fun, as would early jets in the Korean conflict. I really like the Mig-15 as well as the F86. Both are really sexy and still require the pilot to put the rounds on target.

 

262's vs B-17 = yawn, as does anything with a guided missile, for me.

Edited April 7, 2015 by HerrMurf

[javelina]

Early or Mid-war. Pacific.

Yep!  :-)

[707shap_Srbin]

Crimea 1941. Map size fits perfectly with BoS map size.

[72sq_Savinio]

I would love to land (and take off) on a carrier and drop some torpedo flying  through an AAA nightmare.. Without doubt in early or mid Pacific war theatre.

[22GCT_RedBaron]

I would love to land (and take off) on a carrier and drop some torpedo flying  through an AAA nightmare.. Without doubt in early or mid Pacific war theatre.

+1

[Danziger]

Hueys over Vietnam says I!

 

 

 

 

 

Just kidding. I wanted Moscow and they are doing it so I'm happy. Now I'm fine with whatever. Pacific, Africa, western Europe...

[Finkeren]

No matter where, but give me torpedos and some ships to sink!!!

So, either Kuban/Kerch or the Eastern Baltic/Leningrad?

[BSS_Vidar]

There are 30 guys in the Blacksheep Squadron craving to fly from carriers again! It's been almost a decade. Carrier Ops with these new graphics would be incredible.

 

V

[Finkeren]

In old Il2 1946 I also loved the Murmansk-map.

 

It appears you're in luck then.

[L3Pl4K]

Unternehmen Weserübung, Denmark and Norway

[Finkeren]

Unternehmen Weserübung, Denmark and Norway

Talk about something that's limited in scope (except that it requires a huge map)

 

As a Dane I must say I have little desire to fly Danish Fokker D.XXIs on ahistorical missions (In reality none of the Danish fighters even got off the ground to meet the attacking Bf 110s)

 

Apparently it's only Americans who can't keep interest unless they get to fly as US pilots or at least in American planes.

[L3Pl4K]

LOL ok...North Africa

[CF-105]

Theaters like the MTO and even France are very nice as they last long throughout WW2, or saw combat on several occasions.

We have North Africa/Sicily/Italy, and fighting that lasts from 1940 to 1945, a huge range of aircraft to boot.  (large area unfortunately)

France would also be nice later on, and a France map could be used both for the BoF and the invasion of Normandy.  (large cities unfortunately)

 

Many other theaters have brief combat in one area, then quickly move on to a completely different location, limiting the possible content for that period.

[ER*Stefan]

Pacific

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Kursk with Hs129's would be great!

 

I think the best course of action, as far as resources are concerned, is to continue fleshing out the Eastern Front using the assets that they have already created for BOM/BOS.

 

A close second for me is early war: the conquest of Poland, the Spanish Civil War... A lot of these great early war theatres have been ignored.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

the conquest of Poland

 

For some conquest, for others a defensive war

 

Generally speaking all those theaters have one issue - they are rather limited and hard to connect to anything else. As much as I'd love to fly properly modeled P-11c fighter ... it was simply outclassed. Poland would not be a good choice here. 

In my opinion best would be France, since it largely involves same aircraft as BoB. So you could have campaign in France and than another expansion could take care of BoB.

 

But for BoB we already have Cliffs of Dover. 

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Murmansk please, shortly thereafter followed by a MTO

[Danziger]

Something with I-15 I-153 and SB-2.....

[CF-105]

There are 30 guys in the Blacksheep Squadron craving to fly from carriers again! It's been almost a decade. Carrier Ops with these new graphics would be incredible.

 

V

 

Not to mention that you could finally collide with the control tower without automatically exploding!  

[CF-105]

After WW2 is done, I would absolutely love it if the game expanded back in time to the SCW/Khalkhin Gol and forwards to Korea and maybe a 'what if' Suez Crisis theater.

 

If mods-on ever became available I wouldn't mind Vietnam, but wouldn't want to waste developer time on it.

(maybe Jetwar 2.0?    )

Edited July 24, 2015 by CF-105

[Finkeren]

Something with I-15 I-153 and SB-2.....

Winter War would be great.

[Brano]

Something with I-15 I-153 and SB-2.....

Barbarossa.Where it all begun.With 2 maps = Lvov and Bialystok salients.Tank battle at Brody would be awesome to reenact 

[Roast]

Winter War would be great.

 

Yes, very nice idea

 

And you would be able to fly that 'beloved' Fokker D.XXI after all

 

With present days graphics the Finno-Russian landscape would really come alive

 

I would love to see Gladiators, M.S.406 and Fokkers in a modern sim

[LLv44_Mprhead]

If in Eastern Front, then Crimea 1943 followed by Karelian Isthmus summer 1944. However, imo it would be better to go to Mediterranean after Moscow. Most of the allied planes there would find use in Eastern Front also as lend-lease planes.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Logically and commercially the Med should be our next destination stop.

[Ace_Pilto]

We'll probably never see a Pacific theater release since Grumman are a pack of shekel hoarding twits who won't let anyone use the name of their aircraft without major payola coming their way. Which is a fine thank you to the men who died flying their mediocre designs against the Japanese, Grumman's hands are still in their pockets. Personally I'd much prefer a Corsair anyway so screw Grumman.

 

However, if Grumman's legal department develops an iota of sense then the Pacific would be a nice change from snow, snow, snow. I mean water water water has got to be better, right? 

 

Or what about New Guinea? Over the misty mountains of PNG in 1942/3? That could have some potential. P-40, P-39, P-38 vs Tony, Zeke and Oscar. (Also with large slow targets that drop bombs of course) Plus there's the high altitude Dinah

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The Grumman argument has been made in numerous threads. It will be a minor or non issue if handled properly. And I hate to bring this up but the Wildcat held its own when employed properly and the Hellcat won the Pacific if we are talking pure fighter combat.

 

PTO is rumored to be very close to Jason's heart. Provided the series continues to flourish we will see the pacific in a couple of years.

Edited July 30, 2015 by [WSB]HerrMurf

[ITAF_Rani]

Afrika and Italy.....pleaseeeeeee

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Africa only if the map is done right....the desert does not go right up to the ocean like they did in the old IL2

and I would love to see how 777 do carriers 

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

We'll probably never see a Pacific theater release since Grumman are a pack of shekel hoarding twits who won't let anyone use the name of their aircraft without major payola coming their way. Which is a fine thank you to the men who died flying their mediocre designs against the Japanese, Grumman's hands are still in their pockets. Personally I'd much prefer a Corsair anyway so screw Grumman.

 

However, if Grumman's legal department develops an iota of sense then the Pacific would be a nice change from snow, snow, snow. I mean water water water has got to be better, right? 

 

Or what about New Guinea? Over the misty mountains of PNG in 1942/3? That could have some potential. P-40, P-39, P-38 vs Tony, Zeke and Oscar. (Also with large slow targets that drop bombs of course) Plus there's the high altitude Dinah

Grumman own the rights to the F4U Corsair (I know, its absurd)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

This is also not a true statement. Vought has not been a subsidiary of Northrup Grumman since the early 2000's. Carlyle sold it to the Triumph management group in 2010 and it is an independent aerospace company.

 

This whole discussion belongs somewhere else as it is something of a smear and not related to the poll by more than a mere thread of relevance.

Edited August 2, 2015 by [WSB]HerrMurf

[bivalov]

yo, guys, what about early Philippins 1941-1942 or more earlier varaint of japanese blitzkrieg in asia/PTO?

 

i mean something like P-36 (also for Leningrad area) + Tomahawk (also for Murmansk, BOM, PVO of Stalingrad area etc.) + ... + B-17 ( ) + ... (Airacobra? also for Murmansk and mid of EF'1942).

 

and Ki.27?, A6M2?, ..., G3M etc + ... (Ki.43?).......

 

althought, looks like that is too deep in asian blitzkrieg, right?

Edited September 5, 2015 by bivalov

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Early Pacific war has its limits, most importantly it was not static but everything happened rapidly. Hard to make one map for campaign and as you know we wont have missions like in old Il-2.

Suitable for campaign in BoS is Burma, New Guinea, Phillipineas 1944, etc.

[bivalov]

Early Pacific war has its limits, most importantly it was not static but everything happened rapidly. Hard to make one map for campaign and as you know we wont have missions like in old Il-2.

Suitable for campaign in BoS is Burma, New Guinea, Phillipineas 1944, etc.

yeah, i suspected something like this. but maybe they can make several maps.....? current concept is not final at all times i think. but that is only my interest and thoughts, and nothing more...... and if philippines 1944 is ok, so, why 1941-42 is not? in total, main sense of philippines 1941-1942 is early USA plane set (plus interesting and famous japanese types)........ i.e. in 1944 was constant front line?

 

burma and NG is very good, without other words, although, looks like that burma is too specific, and only NG is really promosing .... sometimes.......

Edited September 7, 2015 by bivalov

[Brano]

IMO problem with pacific is its vast distances one has to fly to reach his "action point" Without some time-skip procedure (like it was in old good AoP) it is not very likely to happen.I am also not a fan of scaled maps (like it was in old sturm).Eastern front is perfectly suited for realistic 1h sorties.Thats why we should (and I think we will) stay there a bit longer to see all major strategic operations.

[bivalov]

IMO problem with pacific is its vast distances one has to fly to reach his "action point" Without some time-skip procedure (like it was in old good AoP) it is not very likely to happen.I am also not a fan of scaled maps (like it was in old sturm).Eastern front is perfectly suited for realistic 1h sorties.Thats why we should (and I think we will) stay there a bit longer to see all major strategic operations.

personally i not against of one or two MTO addons with Africa, just because is only good Lend-Lease pack (Hurri, Tomahawk etc) + pack of needful subtypes of Me and Fw (Trop, N, 1.42 ata, A-4/F etc) + Stalingrad area, but with constant summer, lot of sand and sea.

Edited September 7, 2015 by bivalov

[Brano]

Yes,I can see MTO as a side project of 1CGS mapmakers when more of the relevant aircrafts will be available via Land-Lease in USSR for Kuban

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

yeah, i suspected something like this. but maybe they can make several maps.....? current concept is not final at all times i think. but that is only my interest and thoughts, and nothing more...... and if philippines 1944 is ok, so, why 1941-42 is not? in total, main sense of philippines 1941-1942 is early USA plane set (plus interesting and famous japanese types)........ i.e. in 1944 was constant front line?

 

burma and NG is very good, without other words, although, looks like that burma is too specific, and only NG is really promosing .... sometimes.......

The 1944 was all around Phillipines, you had initially Leyte and than combat over Luzon. Campaign lasted for a while and Japanese maintained plenty of airfields for long.

In 1941 any Allied opposition was quickly beaten and not long after any allied pilots that were capable, were evacuated.

 

NG is best imo. You got Army and Navy (if you make it by chapters like March-November 1942 as one part and December 1942-July 1943 as second part), you have US Army, Navy was few times around too. It is not as massive as Solomon Islands campaign would be. The distances between Lea - Buna - Port Moresby. Those are fine. And Kokoda trail would be a perfect source for many bombing and ground support missions.

 

 

personally i not against of one or two MTO addons with Africa, just because is only good Lend-Lease pack (Hurri, Tomahawk etc) + pack of needful subtypes of Me and Fw (Trop, N, 1.42 ata, A-4/F etc) + Stalingrad area, but with constant summer, lot of sand and sea.

If I recall Afrika will be covered by Team Fusion with their mods to CloD. Dont see the reason to touch it that, especially that we have so many fans of TF and they proved to be capable of doing great things.

 

Far more suited would be western front in 1941-1942, so before Americans. That campaign in the air was a bit forgotten (I guess due to huge allied losses) but would be interesting to see.

 

Though I'm a Pacific guy and I'm keeping fingers crossed to see some day some game covering that in high quality (aka better than Il-2 1946).

[bivalov]

Yes,I can see MTO as a side project of 1CGS mapmakers when more of the relevant aircrafts will be available via Land-Lease in USSR for Kuban

lot of players wants Kuban, BUT, personally i just don't know how they can make Kuban really correctly - just because main german type is still Bf 109 G-2/4 1.3 ata from BOS AFAIK. and from this point you can get Leningrad or Kursk with same P-39s, but not Kuban.........

 

or i miss something? apart of changing of concept of game...........

 

 

The 1944 was all around Phillipines, you had initially Leyte and than combat over Luzon. Campaign lasted for a while and Japanese maintained plenty of airfields for long.

 

In 1941 any Allied opposition was quickly beaten and not long after any allied pilots that were capable, were evacuated.

 

NG is best imo. You got Army and Navy (if you make it by chapters like March-November 1942 as one part and December 1942-July 1943 as second part), you have US Army, Navy was few times around too. It is not as massive as Solomon Islands campaign would be. The distances between Lea - Buna - Port Moresby. Those are fine. And Kokoda trail would be a perfect source for many bombing and ground support missions.

main sense was in early US types for BOS/BOM (P-36, and Tomahawk) and in various dynamical gameplay (acc. to one article on russian). well, ok, looks like that is was only mind games...............

 

and sounds very interesting, i don't know that TO very well........

 

If I recall Afrika will be covered by Team Fusion with their mods to CloD. Dont see the reason to touch it that, especially that we have so many fans of TF and they proved to be capable of doing great things.

 

Far more suited would be western front in 1941-1942, so before Americans. That campaign in the air was a bit forgotten (I guess due to huge allied losses) but would be interesting to see.

 

Though I'm a Pacific guy and I'm keeping fingers crossed to see some day some game covering that in high quality (aka better than Il-2 1946).

i don't knowed, that TF really deep in deals with MTO, i thought that is only addon without data of realese or something like this.

 

and main reason is money of not-russian people who constantly wants MTO (in russia+ only 1/3 of all BOS players, and we got some economical problems here). or, maybe, devs also just interested in Africa etc, moreover, here we can get L-L and concrete german subtypes, meanwhile EF just can't give to us well known interesting battles with these planes.

 

ETO 41-42 is really can be instead of Africa, i think like and you, but i think that here is again some real problems with german planeset 41-42........... although, looks like that we can get something like Fw A-1/2/4 and Bf with GM-1 and DB 601 N.............. oh, yeah.........    well, and i just thought, that exactly TF can cover ETO 41-42 with CloD code.........

 

 

be sure, that someday , and i also will enjoy NG etc, but is so far from near future.......

Edited September 7, 2015 by bivalov

[RedKaruma_SpazzaDemon]

The Pacific theatre of war would be epic, I would like to see some carrier battles.