-=PHX=-Satch Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I don´t want to generate controversy . This test is just to show differences between DMs on diferentes sims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vVckh40tAI&feature=youtu.be
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) And what was your conclusion? Chief Edited November 19, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud
-=PHX=-Satch Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 I reserve my opinión and let everyone build their own. I just show a comparison between different sims in same situation.
Potenz Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 CloD I I V Now seriously speaking, CloD has so many bad habits from 1946, that only make me think that it was just a overhauled graphic wise version of it former version
StickMan Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Got caught up with a yak and an la today on the heavy metal server. I had a big energy advantage over the la and the yak who I initially did not see got into the fight a little later. Put a few rounds into the wing of the la and damaged the cooling system of the yak. They knocked of one of my flaps. After about another minute of a nice chess match between the 3 of us I finally got behind the la again, right before I pulled the trigger he tried to pull a break and his wing came off. The yak I couldn't find again. I headed to base but my engine decided to quit so I landed in a farmer's field. Seriously, where else can I get that kind of combat flight simming action with that kind of damage model right now? It was awesome! Edited November 20, 2014 by GeneralZod 1
FuriousMeow Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Now seriously speaking, CloD has so many bad habits from 1946, that only make me think that it was just a overhauled graphic wise version of it former version Makes you think? It shares so much with its predecessor that the graphics are one of the few new things.
Potenz Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Makes you think? It shares so much with its predecessor that the graphics are one of the few new things. just being sarcastic hehehe, when i first saw the file structure i realized that was a 1946 with makeup on it, then i started to see all those same limitations as in 1946.
-=PHX=-Satch Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 Here I go again... PLEASE devs give us soon you can fmb and dserver and this sim will be by far the best without any decent competition.
t4trouble Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 We are playing bumpers ? More interesting comparison would be set up a mission with HE111's and have the planes from both sims attack said plane with mg and cannon rounds ? 2
SeriousFox Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 BoS has a good visual DM but I prefer old IL-2 style. What bothers me is that parts are breaking like lego blocks, it's not that bad on WWI planes but in BoS, looks bit ugly sometimes.
SYN_Mike77 Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Rather obvious that CloD is a generation or so behind RoF/Bos. 2
Matt Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 The collision modelling is obviously superior (amazingly good in RoF and BoS imho), that doesn't mean that the damage modelling in general is better. BoS and RoF suffer from a stagger-type damage system, which is extremely noticable if you take a gunner position and shoot at a part of your own plane. You can hit the exact same spot and the part will get more and more damaged and then eventually fall off. Not sure if that's actually better in any other flightsim though. 3
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Got caught up with a yak and an la today on the heavy metal server. I had a big energy advantage over the la and the yak who I initially did not see got into the fight a little later. Put a few rounds into the wing of the la and damaged the cooling system of the yak. They knocked of one of my flaps. After about another minute of a nice chess match between the 3 of us I finally got behind the la again, right before I pulled the trigger he tried to pull a break and his wing came off. The yak I couldn't find again. I headed to base but my engine decided to quit so I landed in a farmer's field. Seriously, where else can I get that kind of combat flight simming action with that kind of damage model right now? It was awesome! IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover? Rather obvious that CloD is a generation or so behind RoF/Bos. How so Mike? Chief
SYN_Mike77 Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Watch the video Chief! The CloD section looks at least a generation behind in how it handles damage. Being honest it looks to be more than a single generation behind the DNe engine in this regard and just as far behind in graphic representation.
Potenz Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover? How so Mike? Chief Il-2 Damage model is equal or just a bit over 1946, that's why that project was closed the engine shared so many thing from 1946 almost everything apart from click pits and new graphics. basic things as atmosphere and weather are a WIP and doesn't work, it's quite funny to see lads still claiming that Oleg's engine is the future... if that was the case why it was abandoned. If someone remember those first videos in 2006 of Storm of War BoB (now CloD) you will see that there was a diferent engine, but somewhere down the road, something went really bad an it all went to hell, and the we got this rushed overhauled version of the same old very limited 1946 engine. I can confidently say that they took all we did with mods and the work of Gaijin with BoP and mixed it to release it quickly to the public. BoS and RoF are in a diferent league, DN shows the real capabilities of a next gen simming engine. Oh the worst vice 1946 and CloD shares. CloD over London 15fps (all maxed out) 1946 Stock over Berlin 15fps (all maxed out) Both screens taken the same day with a modern machine that runs BoS like a movie. regs Potz 1
Potenz Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) This was advertised as WiP in 2006 actually now watching that video again, i see that CloD is the pre alpha on that video, but with chopped out features, we go a poorly developed pre-alpha from 2006 it is so obvious now Edited November 20, 2014 by GOAPotenz
Sokol1 Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 CloD colision model is worst than 1946 > that is worst that il-2 (original), in this was possible make "Taran". "DM" as whole is another history... But who cares?
SOLIDKREATE Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 CloD I I V Now seriously speaking, CloD has so many bad habits from 1946, that only make me think that it was just a overhauled graphic wise version of it former version LOLOLOLOL 'TOP SECRET' I love it! 1
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I must profess my ignorance in some areas in a comparison of CloD to BoS but when I fly over London I average around 30 to 40 fps with things maxed out, trees on and roads on. And my machine is three almost four years old. As for the Nature Engine, isn't it limited in some ways compared to CloD's engine? Anyway, I like both. And we all have our opinions. Mine is just based on what I like as approved to the details which you gentlemen seem more aware of. Cheers .... Chief Edited November 20, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud
DD_fruitbat Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) The collision modelling is obviously superior (amazingly good in RoF and BoS imho), that doesn't mean that the damage modelling in general is better. BoS and RoF suffer from a stagger-type damage system, which is extremely noticable if you take a gunner position and shoot at a part of your own plane. You can hit the exact same spot and the part will get more and more damaged and then eventually fall off. Not sure if that's actually better in any other flightsim though. The voice of sanity. I should add, show me a combat flight sim where you can't point out problems with the dm..... Edited November 20, 2014 by fruitbat
Potenz Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 I must profess my ignorance in some areas in a comparison of CloD to BoS but when I fly over London I average around 30 to 40 fps with things maxed out, trees on and roads on. And my machine is three almost four years old. As for the Nature Engine, isn't it limited in some ways compared to CloD's engine? Anyway, I like both. And we all have our opinions. Mine is just based on what I like as approved to the details which you gentlemen seem more aware of. Cheers .... Chief Mate you just can't get 40+ fps, over london with all maxed out, that the biggest limitation of that so called ultimate futuristic engine. Big cities are a big no for CloD and 1946
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Mate you just can't get 40+ fps, over london with all maxed out, that the biggest limitation of that so called ultimate futuristic engine. Big cities are a big no for CloD and 1946 I'll recheck when I get home. Chief
johncage Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 The voice of sanity. I should add, show me a combat flight sim where you can't point out problems with the dm..... no one is making that argument. they're simply showing that cod's collision modeling(which is one aspect of damage modeling, the two aren't exclusive, if anything, they possibly operate upon the same base) is grotesquely outdated compared to bos.
FlatSpinMan Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Let's make sure that no games gets dumped on here.
LBR=H_Ostermann Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Mate you just can't get 40+ fps, over london with all maxed out, that the biggest limitation of that so called ultimate futuristic engine. Big cities are a big no for CloD and 1946 I get 40fps over London and my system is pretty outdated. With a intel I7 4790 we can get 60+. About the test. Yep, collision against others planes/objects is better in BOS, thats all, damage made by weapons, not. Edited November 21, 2014 by LBR=H_Ostermann
-=PHX=-Satch Posted November 21, 2014 Author Posted November 21, 2014 LBR=H_Ostermann, on 21 Nov 2014 - 08:40, said: About the test. Yep, collision against others planes/objects is better in BOS, thats all, damage made by weapons, not. Are you sure? Do you have some video with the proof? I will make my own test about this...
Potenz Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 I get 40fps over London and my system is pretty outdated. With a intel I7 4790 we can get 60+. About the test. Yep, collision against others planes/objects is better in BOS, thats all, damage made by weapons, not. LoL i hardly belive that
Vaxxtx Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 LoL i hardly belive that Whats hard to believe? Thats the graphics of CLoD look good and run great? I get the same over London. 1
Potenz Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Whats hard to believe? Thats the graphics of CLoD look good and run great? I get the same over London. CloD graphics are far from great. Planes looks like plastic coated. DM is poor and outdated, see the video from 2006 is the same thing with less features than in 2006...
LizLemon Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Bos hitboxes for dm Clod hitboxes for dm War Thunder I don't want to generate controversy. This is just to illustrate the differences between the dms you can't see in screenshots. Edited November 21, 2014 by LizLemon
Vaxxtx Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 CloD graphics are far from great. Planes looks like plastic coated. DM is poor and outdated, see the video from 2006 is the same thing with less features than in 2006... I dont even understand what you are saying here. Collision on ground I agree BoS looks better in that video. DM which is different, sorry, no. Post above even shows it. And if you dont recall the BoS devs have said they plan to make it more advanced, but for now thats all there is. I think you "think" you know what you are talking about. Sadly, you do not.
Potenz Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) Bos hitboxes for dm Clod hitboxes for dm War Thunder I don't want to generate controversy. This is just to illustrate the differences between the dms you can't see in screenshots. actually that's nothing the images are just 3d models Edited November 22, 2014 by GOAPotenz
LizLemon Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 Actual that is an image loft posted of the hitboxes for the il2 in bos.
-=PHX=-Satch Posted November 22, 2014 Author Posted November 22, 2014 Nice graphics! very illustrative! but watching the videos of CLOD and Top Secret I can´t stop laughing
LizLemon Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 Nice graphics! very illustrative! but watching the videos of CLOD and Top Secret I can´t stop laughing I dont know why I but I expected something of a more mature response. You dont't happen to come from War Thunder, do you?
Potenz Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 it's amazing how you guys still keep buying oleg's shite, the guy ruined his own game, and you still belive in his shite. Come on watch the video i posted from the DVD that came with 1946 you still belive that CloD uses a revolutionary engine??? come on mate if that was the case and it is so uber, who is his sane mind will throw away that kind of software. use your common sence, and don't belive what they has said, which most of the time were pure lies. It is more than clear that CloD is nothing more than a 1946 with better graphics, nothing more. 1
LizLemon Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) So now the debate has changed to "why do you believe olegs lies?" and "he ruined his own game" (all while 777 does an amazing job of ruining their game) I thought it was about the dm, to which you replied with childish snark. Do you have something to add to the dm discussion or are you just going to go off on unrelated tangents while ignoring the screenshots the developers themselves posted? Or are you just looking to have a laugh at videos of bugs? If its the latter then I can help; Edited November 22, 2014 by LizLemon
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