Stuka 37mm Fire Rate

[Y-29.Silky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccOXrfBZoLE

 

In the video above, the pilot is shoots one 37mm at a time.

 

In the game the 37mm shoots both guns at the same time; even with careful aim, you're out of ammo before you know it.

 

It would be nice if we had the option to shoot 1 shot at a time. I'd imagine it shouldn't be too hard to implement?

[Yakdriver]

you would gain nothing because the recoil of one gun only would spin your plane by 180 degrees and make you fly backwards all of a sudden.
and that is not good for your progress... :-)

[Finkeren]

Typhoon is right. I'm not sure exactly how to explain the shots in the video, because in some of the cases it really does look like the pilot's firing only one gun (only one tracer seen, only one impact)  

 

But according to everything I've read on the subject, the BK 37s on the Ju87 were made to fire in exact synchronisation with one another to avoid the recoil creating a yawing motion and thow off the aim. This was the bane of the 37mm armed IL-2s, where the guns weren't synchronised, leading to far worse accuracy and rendering the plane a much less effective anti tank weapon than the Stuka despite its much larger ammo capacity.

 

So in short: Even if it was posible to fire each gun seperately (which I don't think it was) it would not really be a good idea to do so.

Edited November 15, 2014 by Finkeren

[Pierre64]

Typhoon is right. I'm not sure exactly how to explain the shots in the video, because in some of the cases it really does look like the pilot's firing only one gun (only one tracer seen, only one impact)

Maybe single shots are not fired by Ju 87 G but by some Hs 129?

[ShamrockOneFive]

Maybe single shots are not fired by Ju 87 G but by some Hs 129?

 

The Hs129 is a good guess... especially since there is light machine gun fire accompanying the cannon.

 

To the OP: The only time we do see a Ju87G in the whole video it does fire both cannon simultaneously. I would suspect that firing asymmetrically would be a terrible experience for aiming.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

AHH I beg we can get the HS129 with the 75 mm cannon 

[NightFalcon]

this is actual Ju87 guncam footage, previous video is most likelly from Hs-129 Edited November 15, 2014 by NightFalcon

[Y-29.Silky]

Forgot about the 129. Interesting stuff.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We could have that sound in game. BoS cannon sound is pretty weak.

Edited November 16, 2014 by JG62Gielow

[johncage]

this is actual Ju87 guncam footage, previous video is most likelly from Hs-129

oh wow. the in game version seems a bit tame compared to that

[Finkeren]

oh wow. the in game version seems a bit tame compared to that

Yes, I agree, but consider that the majority of the reels show attacks against ships and barges and therefore we see the result of the shells exploding in water.

 

Still, I do think the impacts of BoS 37mm shells look a bit on the tame side.

[Jaeger55]

Look and see how the pilot can adjust and aim to hit the target. If you even touch the flight stick in this game your aim is way way off.

[Yakdriver]

adjust the senitivity to suit your personal needs and preferences - that's key!
Makes a ton of difference flying all aircraft.

[Jaeger55]

yea, everything is maxed out and aiming is still a pain in the arse.  Can aim just fine in RoF, CloD, IL2 1946, and WT.  

It is WAY TOO SENSITIVE. <--that shout is to the developers

[SeriousFox]

We could have that sound in game. BoS cannon sound is pretty weak.

 

It's weak and broken(along with siren sound. Siren sounds awful in F3 view). Feels like last 0.5 second of sound is missing.

Edited November 18, 2014 by SeriousFox

[Yakdriver]

yea, everything is maxed out and aiming is still a pain in the arse.  Can aim just fine in RoF, CloD, IL2 1946, and WT.  

It is WAY TOO SENSITIVE. <--that shout is to the developers

here a shout for you.

do-it-yourself style

 

 

that's why they programmed these options.

so you can fiddle around till it's all super easy for you.

[Jaeger55]

All maxed out. Oh well I give up. I can't stomach playing the game more than one or two sorties because the nose bounces all over while trying to aim.

[LLv26_Junnu]

I test with clock of Skuka and its give me firerate 160 rpm (12 shots @ ~4,5 sec).

Firerate is ok but we have too much ammo here.

 

Stukas have in their BK`s only 6 rounds per each...so we have now twice of that. But I don't have idea was BK automatic or semiautomatic at Stuka or can pilot choose only one cannon to fire.

Any ones have better knowledge about that?

 

Edit: I usually get two tanks with all ammo gone. The dive must be relative steep.  

I start dive about 500 meters at 45 decrees angle and speed always over 280 kmh (gun converse is 400m).

Edited December 26, 2014 by LLv26_Junnu

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

I have a book where Rudel is interviewed and he states (and so does the few official notes I have read) that diving
with the 37 mm cannons were not allowed since the added stress to the wings could break the plane.

Thus they had to develop a dangerous and aggressive low level approach that caused a lot of losses initially.

 

The solution was a mixed tactic where bomb loaded Stukas went in first for the AAA and the 37mm armed tank
busters came in as everyone was covering from the bomb blasts. This proved highly effective.

 

Diving with the 37mm guns on should damage the plane!

Edited December 26, 2014 by MA_Goblin

[LLv26_Junnu]

I have understood that so too. I think speed must be over 400 km/h or g over 4 when there is risk of damages?

My speed is usually 300-350 km/h in dive and I pull out slightly to avoid stall. 

[LLv26_Junnu]

Hi! I made some test. Wings of Stuka`s actually get broken when pull out of the dive with BK 37   Wings get no damages with SC250.

I start at 5k with 90 decree dive and pull out at 1k.

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Nice, I´ll try to find the technical limits in my reference litterature but I'm not sure I've ever seen any data on it.

Only the interviews with Rudel and other pilots