First impression of BoS

[stiboo]

 

 

BoS is a great sim with a rather poorly designed game wrapped around it.

 

Very well put!

 

Time will make it a great all round experience..

 

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[Zak]

Sry Bearcat, not everything, you post anything they don`t like and It`s gone in a flash. The more people they alienate the less will buy into any future pre-orders.

I personally don't mind players saying what they like or dislike about BOS. Why would I ever? And since I'm totally aware of those likes and dislikes I believe that moderators do not actually hide all the feedback from the boards

[DD_bongodriver]

I personally don't mind players saying what they like or dislike about BOS. Why would I ever? And since I'm totally aware of those likes and dislikes I believe that moderators do not actually hide all the feedback from the boards

 

Not all the dislikes are simply dislikes, many times people are just saying there seems to be a problem that then get translated into dislikes, the moderators here sometimes get out-moderated by some very enthusiastic fans, the moderators are then left to clean up the mess,  sometimes the remedial actions are taken against the wrong people, it may feel like kicking your puppy but some of those fans need to be addressed.

[JG1_Lipfert]

Kameraden,

 

Although I'm not actually flying BoS at the moment and certain design choices are not of my liking. I have no issue putting $100 down for the development and the potential that we get to re-live some of the grand air battles from old il2 days.

 

I will never fly War Thunder, just not my thing and I really do enjoy learning all the switches, buttons and levers in these machines. But that is a personal preference, which for the most part is what is being discussed here most of the time and creates the great divide.

 

S!

[PantsPilot]

Just selected three points from your post where I felt the overpowering urge to comment:

 

1) They make these comparisons to 1946 because it is disconcerting to see that undoubted improvements in some areas have come at the expense of deterioration in other areas. For many  consumer products these days this would be unacceptable. We expect the next generation of products to be at least as good as the previous generation in every respect, and better in some respects. Why should a flight sim not be held to these standards, especially if it bears the same brand?

 

2) Scenery and aircraft are important of course, but so is the ability to simulate real military operations. With 1946 you can do this better than with BoS. This is important to many people.

 

3) Future improvements may be made, assuming sufficient commercial success, but will they be in areas that the dissatisfied customers want? Perhaps, but what can be done seems to be limited by the underlying game engine as well as by strange developer decisions and resource constraints, so assuming that the game will get better is a big act of faith.  I have no doubt that it will get bigger if funds allow - more planes, more maps - but whether it will get much better is another matter altogether.

 

 

Sounds to me like you wouldn't be happy unless you got a complete remake of il-2 in its entirety? Don't forget that game as we now know it was the result of over a decade of development and updates, not to mention modding. Just how long has BOS actually been out? 

 

The devs of BOS probably didn't just want to rehash the il-2 game but build something original. How can it be seriously criticised at this early stage when further additions are widely predicted to be in the pipeline?

 

Il-2 was great if you're a real WW2 aircraft anorak with its endless list of planes and technical details, but did it really capture the heart and soul of any one particular campaign? No I don't believe it did. It was more of a one-stop shop for aircraft nuts with largely similar missions and scenery across the board.

 

When the FMB is for released for BOS you will be able to "simulate real military operations" over a Stalingrad map that is light years ahead of even the il-2 modders efforts. 

 

Give it some time and show some patience. I realise you are totally in love with the concept of il-2 and have probably felt very safe playing it for the last 10 years or so. But personally speaking I welcome something different, something that goes into more detail over one small area and provides new sights, sounds and challenges.

 

Listen, nobody is stopping you from playing il-1946. If that's what you like then keep at it, but there's no need to harangue BOS for not being il-2 1946 2. 

[DD_bongodriver]

This is all very confusing, because it is clearly ROF 1943 more than IL-2 1946.

[BraveSirRobin]

This is all very confusing, because it is clearly ROF 1943 more than IL-2 1946.

 

I think it's fantastic that they developed RoF 1943, and I'm very much looking forward to RoF 1940, 41, 42, 44, 45, and more of 43.

[unreasonable]

No-one is haranguing BOS. Simply pointing out that the assumption that it will in time cover the bases 1946 does may, I repeat MAY, be incorrect.

 

This seems to be because of engine limitations.  So we have problems with skins, we have problems with the command menu, we have problems with the predictable mission generation, which are the same as the problems in BoS's daddy, RoF.

 

I would hope that over 10 years BoS could form the remake of 1946 in its entirety. The problem is that it simply may not be capable of doing this, irrespective of how many new planes and maps are added.

 

I am still playing BoS and enjoying it's good parts most of the time, but I am getting fed up of constantly being told that everything will be OK at some imaginary future date whenever someone raises a legitimate criticism..

 

If the team has plans to deal with these issues I would love to know what they are.

[BraveSirRobin]

If the team has plans to deal with these issues I would love to know what they are.

 

I'm sure your invitation to future development meetings is in the mail.

[unreasonable]

I'm sure your invitation to future development meetings is in the mail.

 

Do you have a team generating these sarky one liners? It is hard to imagine one person making up so many.

[I./JG1_Baron]

This is all very confusing, because it is clearly ROF 1943 more than IL-2 1946.

 

Probably I have different BoS like you sir.

[PantsPilot]

i can give you the reason, and it's a simple one.

 

I compare BoS to 1946 for a variety of reasons,

A) it carries the IL-2 name. It can therefor be compared to other IL-2 titles. Like the different kinds of Mario Karts.

B) 1946 started its path as IL-2. The very first title that only treated the eastern front. BoS treats a similar subject, although it trades Content for Complexity.

C) the Men that are behind BoS are aware of its heritage, and aim to Bring the name to a new, higher, better level. They claim to be IL-2 fliers, they claim the same roots.

I was reminded of this every time i started the Beta. And still today, as i fire up the simulator, i do not forget their mission statement.

 

I was impressed by how serious the dev team is that i snapshotted it.

 

 

 

Same name, same subject, same men.

These are the reasons why i personally dare to compare BoS to the old series, and the very first Versions especially.

because i want the same results in accuracy, immersion and content - at the very least. (mwaahahahahah)

 

 

 

 

But COD carries the il-2 name, yet you wouldn't compare that with il-1946 would you?

 

At the risk of overly repeating myself; il-1946 was the result of over 10 years of development and BOS has just been released. It is like comparing 2 cars from Ford that came out over 10 years apart; by your logic they should be exactly the same. If Ford did that imagine the outcry. Listen you prefer the old game, but your not allowing for all the extra work that went into it to make it so good, why don't you hold back a little until the extra features are released, then see if you like it more?

At the moment all this whining, sorry negativity is going to do is put potential purchasers off and kill the whole series before its even started. Perhaps unfairly.

 

BOS has just been released. Look up the definition of patience. Of course BOS was never meant to be an exact sequel of il-2 1946, that wasn't stated anywhere by the devs and no amount of showing screenshots is going to prove that. You always knew the limited planes and theatre scenery offered by BOS from the very start, so why did you buy it? 

[BraveSirRobin]

Do you have a team generating these sarky one liners? It is hard to imagine one person making up so many.

 

With all the silliness I see on this forum, most of the snarky lines write themselves.

 

People really have some ridiculous expectations about this game and how the development of a game like this is done.

[DD_bongodriver]

I think it's fantastic that they developed RoF 1943, and I'm very much looking forward to RoF 1940, 41, 42, 44, 45, and more of 43.

 

I have no problem with that, I just find it strange that so much weight is being placed on being an IL-2 franchise.

 

 

Probably I have different BoS like you sir.

 

probably

But COD carries the il-2 name, yet you wouldn't compare that with il-1946 would you?

 

The name, the developers, the publishing house.....etc etc.

[BraveSirRobin]

I have no problem with that, I just find it strange that so much weight is being placed on being an IL-2 franchise.

 

Who is putting a lot of weight on that?  Some of the detractors seen to put a lot of weight on it.  I'm not sure anyone else is.

[DD_bongodriver]

Who is putting a lot of weight on that?  Some of the detractors seen to put a lot of weight on it.  I'm not sure anyone else is.

 

[PantsPilot]

No-one is haranguing BOS. Simply pointing out that the assumption that it will in time cover the bases 1946 does may, I repeat MAY, be incorrect.

 

This seems to be because of engine limitations.  So we have problems with skins, we have problems with the command menu, we have problems with the predictable mission generation, which are the same as the problems in BoS's daddy, RoF.

 

I would hope that over 10 years BoS could form the remake of 1946 in its entirety. The problem is that it simply may not be capable of doing this, irrespective of how many new planes and maps are added.

 

I am still playing BoS and enjoying it's good parts most of the time, but I am getting fed up of constantly being told that everything will be OK at some imaginary future date whenever someone raises a legitimate criticism..

 

If the team has plans to deal with these issues I would love to know what they are.

 

Maybe a lot of people are missing the point; I don't think BOS wants to be il-2 1946....ever. I think instead it wants to be the start of a whole NEW WW2 combat flight sim series. I think like COD the devs have just included the il-2 reference (more applicable this time than the BoB!) as an indication of its parentage and as a selling point, NOT because its ever going to be an exact and complete remake in its entirety. Maybe some of us should stop clinging onto il-2 1946 with ever whitening knuckles, let go and move on. Or alternatively go back to that great but now sadly aged game if you prefer, but perhaps look at BOS without your il-1946 tinted spectacles on?

[BraveSirRobin]

That producer's statement is pure PR that mentions the original IL2 as mostly inspirational.  Not exactly weighty.

[DD_bongodriver]

Tinted spectacles is the root of the problem throughout flight sim forum confrontation history, take the glasses off.

[BraveSirRobin]

Tinted spectacles is the root of the problem throughout flight sim forum confrontation history, take the glasses off.

 

I'm not the one pretending this is IL-2 1946 2.0.  It's not.  It was not promoted as that.  IL-2 is nothing more than inspirational.  

[PantsPilot]

 

Aaagh that screenshot again!! All that says is BOS is from the il-2 developers stable, in other words the team that brought you il-2 1946, nowhere does it say that its going to be a remake of that old classic. COD was from the same stable - was that anything like 1il-2 1946? Of course not. Are you saying that you expected a remake of the original massive game in a fraction of the timespan? Yet surely you knew that wasn't the case many months ago or whenever you came aboard.

[unreasonable]

With all the silliness I see on this forum, most of the snarky lines write themselves.

 

People really have some ridiculous expectations about this game and how the development of a game like this is done.

 

No idea who these "people" are - all I would like to see is that BoS is capable of improvement in the areas mentioned. So far I have not seen any evidence at all, rather evidence that it has stagnated at RoF level in these respects while extra emphasis has been placed on imported game elements and graphics. If it is not capable of improvement in the areas I mentioned it will never be able to do the things that 1946 has been able to do for years. That is why the "wait and all will be OK" line is unconvincing, and in all fairness, not forthcoming from the developers.

 

A more honest reply would be to say BoS is not going to satisfy hardcore SP and Co-op flight simmers in the way that 1946 did and never will, it is a flight themed game. Like it or lump it.

[Dakpilot]

Tinted spectacles is the root of the problem throughout flight sim forum confrontation history, take the glasses off.

 

Very true , you must have been wearing a rose tinted helmet during a recent kickstarter debacle

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

 

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What is Battle of Stalingrad?

IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad is the next generation of the legendary IL-2 Sturmovik series that has set the standard for PC combat flight games for more than ten years.

 

 

 

 

 

Very true , you must have been wearing a rose tinted helmet during a recent kickstarter debacle

 

How so? I simply backed a kickstarter project for WWII content for a sim.

[PantsPilot]

Tinted spectacles is the root of the problem throughout flight sim forum confrontation history, take the glasses off.

 

Or perhaps put them on?

[BraveSirRobin]

A more honest reply would be to say BoS is not going to satisfy hardcore SP and Co-op flight simmers in the way that 1946 did and never will, it is a flight themed game. Like it or lump it.

 

It's great that you have such a clear vision into the future.  I doubt the people who are working on this game are even capable of such knowledge of where the game is headed. I hope you're planning to buy a lottery ticket.

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

Yet surely you knew that wasn't the case many months ago or whenever you came aboard.

 

from the very beginning

[unreasonable]

Maybe a lot of people are missing the point; I don't think BOS wants to be il-2 1946....ever. I think instead it wants to be the start of a whole NEW WW2 combat flight sim series. I think like COD the devs have just included the il-2 reference (more applicable this time than the BoB!) as an indication of its parentage and as a selling point, NOT because its ever going to be an exact and complete remake in its entirety. Maybe some of us should stop clinging onto il-2 1946 with ever whitening knuckles, let go and move on. Or alternatively go back to that great but now sadly aged game if you prefer, but perhaps look at BOS without your il-1946 tinted spectacles on?

 

Or perhaps you could cut out the pointless ad hominem comments?

[DD_bongodriver]

Or perhaps put them on?

 

Why?

attack of the superfans is starting again.....

[BFsSmurfy]

I personally don't mind players saying what they like or dislike about BOS. Why would I ever? And since I'm totally aware of those likes and dislikes I believe that moderators do not actually hide all the feedback from the boards

In that case Zak reading what Finkeren wrote "BoS is a great sim with a rather poorly designed game wrapped around it." might enlighten you to how a good deal of us feel about the direction taken in the last few weeks. If a certain individual is making all the calls he`s made some bum ones imo in the last few weeks. The game is and will be a future classic imo, but with the FU attitude displayed, the ignorance of customer wishes and the fake polls etc I`ll wait before hitting the buy key (I`ll still buy anything you put out once it`s out on general release though).

[BraveSirRobin]

from the very beginning

 

Then it's very odd that you think a PR statement carries any weight.

[PantsPilot]

"Next generation" as in new game engine. Ditto for COD, yet nobody seemed to say that COD should have been il-1946 the second.

[DD_bongodriver]

Then it's very odd that you think a PR statement carries any weight.

 

No more odd than you thinking yours do.

[BraveSirRobin]

and in all fairness, not forthcoming from the developers.

 

If it's not coming from the developers then you really don't have to give it a lot of weight.

[Dakpilot]

 

 

How so? I simply backed a kickstarter project for WWII content for a sim.

 

 

And if I remember got banned twice while vehemently defending any criticism of the management of the project

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[BraveSirRobin]

No more odd than you thinking yours do.

 

I'm not calling it IL2 2.0, so you're referring to the wrong person.

[DD_bongodriver]

And if I remember got banned twice while vehemently defending any criticism of the management of the project

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Do you keep count?....why does that not surprise me?

I'm not calling it IL2 2.0, so you're referring to the wrong person.

 

I'm not

[PantsPilot]

from the very beginning

 

In which case just a few months, give it time I'm sure it will develop nicely and we might even get to see some great new theatres of war that haven't been covered yet by other games. I'm sure it could be better but there just aren't many other shows in town right now, I'm willing to wait and see what happens.  Maybe by then more people will have got used to the changes away from another certain game!

[SYN_Per]

Moderators much?

[DD_bongodriver]

Moderators much?

 

Not all the dislikes are simply dislikes, many times people are just saying there seems to be a problem that then get translated into dislikes, the moderators here sometimes get out-moderated by some very enthusiastic fans, the moderators are then left to clean up the mess,  sometimes the remedial actions are taken against the wrong people, it may feel like kicking your puppy but some of those fans need to be addressed.