Anybody tested the La-5?

[CCG_Pips]

In the QMB, tried to start from parking engine stopped.

 

The engine do not start!!!   seems the electrical phase do not begin...

 

Any one meet same problem !!!

 

[Y-29.Silky]

Make sure you're mixture is full, also, look down and you'll see a bunch of levers moving which simulates the pilot going through the start up process..

[CCG_Pips]

Starting automatic procedure is launched with mixture on full , and then ...........> nothing

[Y-29.Silky]

Set your throttle to ~20% or it will die.

[CCG_Pips]

no, it will not die because it does not start , simply ...........all other aircraft are starting without troubles

 

Also, 3 guys tried to start the LA-5 this afternoon, nobody succeed to start engine.

 

So, please just reply simply, do you start your LA-5 engine?

Edited November 11, 2014 by C6_Pips

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Confirmed !!! La5 start broken. 

[Dakpilot]

Just started up mine, no issue.

 

Try reboot computer and restart game. if that fails delete contents of update folder and let game rebuild it after restart

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[fjacobsen]

Bug confirmed - no engine start on the LA-5.

 

FinnJ

[LAL_Luny]

Tried with Pips (im 1 of the 3) to no avail ill try and reboot but dont expect much

[CCG_Pips]

Ok, thanks all for testing and replying..

 

From new update, there are 3 x engines command to assign:  Inlet cowl shutters  - Outlet Cowl shutters - Oil radiator

 

I missed to assign the Oil radiator command and much probably troubles cames from that missing.

 

Now, it is ok

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

it works if you move the fuel mixture while it is starting back and forth, until it starts, this is what I had to do.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

No dice here.  Set prop, mixture, oil and cowl shutters to 100%, throttle is at idle.  Hit ignition, certain things happen but the engine never even attempts to start, almost like the battery is never turned on.

 

Also tried with throttle at 20% but since the engine never attempts to start it doesn't really have any affect.

[216th_Xenos]

Could it be to do with the new cowl inlets that they modelled in the last update?

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I think all have to be open in order to start. oil, water, and inlet fan.

[No.42_Rooster]

it works if you move the fuel mixture while it is starting back and forth, until it starts, this is what I had to do.

Not to sure about that... when you press E the start it is fully automatic start up procedure. The controls are AI until the plane starts.

I think all have to be open in order to start. oil, water, and inlet fan.

All controlled by the sim.

Edited November 11, 2014 by II/JG42_Rooster

[SAG]

no solution :C ???

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

its working for me so I don't know.

[fjacobsen]

its working for me so I don't know.

For me it also works, but I need to move the mixture lever fully back and forth for a while, once the startup sequence comes to a hault.

 

FinnJ

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I see no tech messages related to battery on, mag switches, etc.    I do have both inlet and outlet cowls open.  No starter whining, prop never budges an inch.

[Brano]

Just map new inlet shutters (previously they were on common comand together with outlet shutters) To start up La5,both inlet and outlet shutters must be closed.

[No.42_Rooster]

Just map new inlet shutters (previously they were on common comand together with outlet shutters) To start up La5,both inlet and outlet shutters must be closed.

If that were so (which I am not arguing) then the auto start up sequence would do it for you.  

 

What am I missing here?

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

If that were so (which I am not arguing) then the auto start up sequence would do it for you.  

 

What am I missing here?

mmm maybe they haven't included that in it yet. maybe?

[No.42_Rooster]

Hey Mastiff... made progress. The cowl inlet IS the key (I just don't understand why with an automated start up) BUT I went an deleted my key binding for the inlet and used the default keys and BOOM it started up. My particular problem is that the axis I want to use will not let the cowl shutters close fully... they were 5% open at best but they need to be at zero.

 

Will the madness ever end    

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Hey Mastiff... made progress. The cowl inlet IS the key (I just don't understand why with an automated start up) BUT I went an deleted my key binding for the inlet and used the default keys and BOOM it started up. My particular problem is that the axis I want to use will not let the cowl shutters close fully... they were 5% open at best but they need to be at zero.

 

Will the madness ever end    

ah ok same issue Cujo was having the radiator and inlet fan can not be on a axis any long.

[Brano]

Inlet shutters closing is not implemented in automatic startup procedure.Someone forgot that.That is not madness.Just a human mistake.While waiting for fix,close them manually yourself.

[No.42_Rooster]

ah ok same issue Cujo was having the radiator and inlet fan can not be on a axis any long.

My issue with the axis is that it was inverted in the game but I could not change it in game settings... I had to go to the CH Control Manager and invert the data on that axis and wella... it works fine now.

 

And the madness comment was a funny... just trying to have some fun here. I am well aware of all the work that is being put into this sim by humans.

[SAG]

i Can confirm that the solution is to completely close the inlet cowl shutters (0%) before engaging the startup procedure with "E"

seems like you need to calibrate your input device via windows or your manufacturers software in order to get to 0%

i Can confirm that the solution is to completely close the inlet cowl shutters (0%) before engaging the startup procedure with "E"

 

 

Hey Mastiff... made progress. The cowl inlet IS the key (I just don't understand why with an automated start up) BUT I went an deleted my key binding for the inlet and used the default keys and BOOM it started up. My particular problem is that the axis I want to use will not let the cowl shutters close fully... they were 5% open at best but they need to be at zero.

 

Will the madness ever end    

 

 

71st_Mastiff, on 11 Nov 2014 - 19:21, said:

ah ok same issue Cujo was having the radiator and inlet fan can not be on a axis any long.

seems like you need to calibrate your input device via windows or your manufacturers software in order to get to 0%

Edited November 12, 2014 by jsags

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Well I know I'm not the smartest apple in the bucket but this has got me befuddled. No matter what I do I can not get this plane started. I've recorded the startup procedure and tried to use some of the suggestion here in this thread. But other than a few movements of "some" of the controls, no lights and if I remember half the sequence for start up are not showing in the action. I also noticed that even though I have them mapped, no guns.

 

I'm starting to wonder here. In the 'change' post for this up date it said we would have to remap our controls again. Well I didn't simple because they were still there and not erased. And they all seem to work so that's not it. I'm stumped. Perhaps someone within the Dev team will read this and advise us.

 

Chief

[SAG]

Well I know I'm not the smartest apple in the bucket but this has got me befuddled. No matter what I do I can not get this plane started. I've recorded the startup procedure and tried to use some of the suggestion here in this thread. But other than a few movements of "some" of the controls, no lights and if I remember half the sequence for start up are not showing in the action. I also noticed that even though I have them mapped, no guns.

 

I'm starting to wonder here. In the 'change' post for this up date it said we would have to remap our controls again. Well I didn't simple because they were still there and not erased. And they all seem to work so that's not it. I'm stumped. Perhaps someone within the Dev team will read this and advise us.

 

Chief

 

Your guns are not shooting because your propeller is not moving so the SYNC gear keeps your cannons from firing, are you sure you have mapped something to "inlet Cowl Shutter Control" (or similar name)  and set the to 0% before attemting to start the automatic startup procedure?

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

0% inlet does it, thanks.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Your guns are not shooting because your propeller is not moving so the SYNC gear keeps your cannons from firing, are you sure you have mapped something to "inlet Cowl Shutter Control" (or similar name)  and set the to 0% before attemting to start the automatic startup procedure?

 

I believe I have, but I will double check ... thanks

 

Chief

[Willy__]

Anyways... I have some questions about these new inlets cowls, maybe someone can help me:

 

How should I use the inlet cowl shutters IN FLIGHT ? Fully closed, fully opened, partially open/closed ? Does it have a great effect (drag) on the plane, like the outlets cowls does ? When I know I should close it/open it ?

 

I know how to fly the la5 and I'm good at managing the rads, but those new ones got me.

Edited November 12, 2014 by istruba

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

No joy .... keys for "Inlet Cowl Shutter Control are mapped .... LCtrl+- & LCtrl+= but even though I got this to work, once. the auto start sequence is not complete. Track doesn't show the Auto Sequence going on .... oh well But the inlete cowl and the outlet cowl were both shown as being utilized.

 

Chief

 

p.p.s. Why don't one of you who have it working do a small video showing us unknowing ones how to do it. Just a thought. Thanks ...

[Willy__]

No joy .... keys for "Inlet Cowl Shutter Control are mapped .... LCtrl+- & LCtrl+= but even though I got this to work, once. the auto start sequence is not complete. Track doesn't show the Auto Sequence going on .... oh well But the inlete cowl and the outlet cowl were both shown as being utilized.

 

Chief

 

p.p.s. Why don't one of you who have it working do a small video showing us unknowing ones how to do it. Just a thought. Thanks ...

 

Just remember to close the inlet cowls and set the mixture to 100% BEFORE the start up sequence. Although while the start up sequence is automated, and even if you leave the mixture at 0% the AI will set it to 100% to start the engine, but the problem is that after the start up sequence is finished, the AI puts the controls back where it were before the sequence and there's the problem.

 

The default value for mixture after you create a mission on QMB (with the option of spawn in parked position) is 0%. So whats happened is as follows: You create an QMB mission, you close the inlets (because the automated ai doesnt do it) and press E to start the engine; the engine will start, because the ai puts the mix to 100%, but after the engine is running, it sets the mix to the level it were before the start up i.e: 0%, then the engine dies. I guess that the people who still have problems with the engine start procedure should look up for this, as setting mix to 100% is a common thing to forget.

[bivalov]

How should I use the inlet cowl shutters IN FLIGHT

in RL this flap mainly was used for prevent of overcooling of engine - during winter time/dive/glide - ie flaps was closed.

 

in horisontal flight or during climb, flap was open + between side flaps and fuselage have constant gap 23 mm (with possibility to open to 137 mm).

 

so your goal is in saving of normal temperature of engine, with help of these frontal flap and side flaps.

[SAG]

No joy .... keys for "Inlet Cowl Shutter Control are mapped .... LCtrl+- & LCtrl+= but even though I got this to work, once. the auto start sequence is not complete. Track doesn't show the Auto Sequence going on .... oh well But the inlete cowl and the outlet cowl were both shown as being utilized.

 

Chief

 

p.p.s. Why don't one of you who have it working do a small video showing us unknowing ones how to do it. Just a thought. Thanks ...

 

 

there you go

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12779-video-tutorial-la-5-startup-patch-1004/

 

Have you tried using an axis??

 

i believe that if youre going to use Keys there are commands such as "inlet Cowl shutter open"  "inlet cowl shutters close" to use istead of the mentioned above, but im not 100% sure on this.

Edited November 12, 2014 by jsags

[Matt]

Maybe it's possibly now to fly with the outer flaps closed and only the inlet shutters open. That could be a bit less draggy than with the outer flaps even half open.

 

I also couldn't start the engine of the La-5 yesterday, but didn't fiddle around that much. It just seems to stop as soon as it should manipulate the inlet shutters.

[Brano]

It is always good to do before engaging automatic engine startup procedure:

1.Set your mixture/vysotni korrektor to full rich/max = lever towards pilot

2.Set rpm controller to max = lever in max position from pilot

3.close inlet and outlet shutters

Then you press E

 

For normal flight at 2300rpm and MP 950mmHg it is OK to close outlet shutters completly and keep inlet shutters at around 50-75% open.That should keep cylinder temps and oil at good values.

Remember,that oil is cooled primarly in oil radiator BUT it is also partially cooled by air flowing around engine itself.So if you find yourself in situation,that even fully opened oil radiator is not enough,open inlet shutters.