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Sokol1

Sokol1

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KG-12 trigger button (prototype):

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=173737&d=1390883918

-Aluminum button/house.

-40 ball linear bearing.

-OMRON switch (10 million clicks).

-2 springs, one press the switch with 130 grams force, the second need 500 grams force to move button down.

 

KG-12 metal (ZAMAK-3) trigger (not finished).

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174344&d=1392976997

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174345&d=1392977002

 

SOkol1

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[DIS]ExGreyFox

[DIS]ExGreyFox

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Whatever happend to Eduard? Is he still alive?? 

Nage

Nage

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KG-12 trigger button (prototype):

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=173737&d=1390883918

-Aluminum button/house.

-40 ball linear bearing.

-OMRON switch (10 million clicks).

-2 springs, one press the switch with 130 grams force, the second need 500 grams force to move button down.

 

KG-12 metal (ZAMAK-3) trigger (not finished).

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174344&d=1392976997

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174345&d=1392977002

 

SOkol1

 

Really nice "insider" photos  ;)

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Bando

Bando

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Whatever happend to Eduard? Is he still alive?? 

 

Oh yes he is.

I had a conversation with him (by mail) just last week.

He's busy making progress...

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Nage

Nage

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I wonder if they still make this "superlight" version of Mamba. Just one wheel on the left. Suitable for guys who dont own HOTAS systems with separate throttle. Light Mamba has a wheel on the front of the base which cant be sued for throttle. And this Mamba looks cool and minimalistic.

ya-i-moi-djoistiki-ili-kak-prevratit-hob

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ST_Pirato

ST_Pirato

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Maybe this one was just a Prototype or something.

Nage

Nage

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Maybe this one was just a Prototype or something.

 

Could be. But also note the caption - (King?) Cobra MKII. Anyways, this is what I like hehe

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VO101_MMaister

VO101_MMaister

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KG-12 trigger button (prototype):

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=173737&d=1390883918

-Aluminum button/house.

-40 ball linear bearing.

-OMRON switch (10 million clicks).

-2 springs, one press the switch with 130 grams force, the second need 500 grams force to move button down.

 

KG-12 metal (ZAMAK-3) trigger (not finished).

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174344&d=1392976997

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174345&d=1392977002

 

SOkol1

Wow, i love the attention to details! And it is a switch only!!!:)

[DIS]ExGreyFox

[DIS]ExGreyFox

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Sokol1, do you machine/make these parts yourself? 

[DIS]ExGreyFox

[DIS]ExGreyFox

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I wish Black Mamba would be available soon. I'm ready to grab one. 

Sokol1

Sokol1

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Sokol1, do you machine/make these parts yourself? 

 

Not mine, it's for VKB KG-12 grip will be released in future.

 

Sokol1

Sokol1

Sokol1

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A bit too much bling for my taste. Some matt, gunmetal finish would have been more authentic.

 

 

I think that this effect is due  galvanized - protection against rust - probable the trigger receive paint in final product.

 

Due Cobra users complain about left button placement - that interfere in move thumb from rest to HAT's, VKB KG12 dont come with additional button (B) in position similar to KG13-B, possible (and ugly :P ) solution:

 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174394&d=1393295023

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=174393&d=1393294553

 

The plan is that KG 12 have 8 functions, so this button is not simple press, but like a 4 way HAT plus press.

 

For same reason (ergonomics) the button bellow grip (for little finger) will come whit  "trigger" similar to Warthog...

 

Planed connection for VKB Mamba, Warthog and perhaps X-55. (if his plastic gimbal support the weigh of metal grip...)

 

FYI - This is just me though after "read" Sukhoi forum, not official feature list. ;)

 

Sokol1

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VO101_MMaister

VO101_MMaister

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Well, I don`t see why don`t they use the original B2 knopf design with its clamp at least as an option. Ergonomicaly it is not that bad. I use my KG13 regularly, and I really don`t find it unconvinient at all. It is easy to find a comfy grip on it without interfering the clamp.

The trigger on the A2 knopf would be also quite odd i think. It is easy to reach out for it with your little finger.

Of course it is not as ergonomical as a modern jet grip, but it is a warbird grip, rugged, rough and historical. That is why people would buy it.

 

Do you know Sokol what is their plan with the diamond pattern? Will it be the part of the metal casting, or is it going to be an onmolded plastic layer like on the real one?

Sokol1

Sokol1

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The case is some guys want use A2 knopf as "shift"... (I think they are buying the wrong grip)...

 

At moment no more info about grip. These pieces how are pre-prodution prototypes.

 

Sokol1

Sokol1

Sokol1

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KG-12 trigger test (2KG of force).

 

 

 

:)

 

Sokol1

VO101_MMaister

VO101_MMaister

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hehe, bit of an overkill, but I love their way of perfectionism:)

Nage

Nage

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Now this would be a top seller...a "budget Mamba" with a single throttle slider or even better - with small "throttle knob" like its in MS SW. Lets call it Black Cobra. AFAIK, King Cobra was sold in Russia. Basically its M5 Cobra with full metal gimbal mechanism (same as in Mamba). Mechanism itslef is 160 bucks and M5 is 46 euros. That means that BlacK Cobra could be 164 euros (the cheapest Mamba is 230 euros). 

 

hmmm If I would be working for VKB...

:)

 

 

 

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LLv44_Mprhead

LLv44_Mprhead

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I'm considering getting Black Mamba light when they get the new patch. And most likely the extension too.

Bando

Bando

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me to. I'd love it with the KG stick as extension though.

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Nage

Nage

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Some info (from VKB) for you guys looking at the Mamba. Apparently there is a new Mamba in the works. They will probably change mechanics and some other stuff. There will be an optional KG12 handle which would fit onto the new Mamba.

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ST_Pirato

ST_Pirato

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Thanks tikvic. There wheren't any news on the VKB Europe Website since February. Hope to see some more infos there soon.

Bando

Bando

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Here's to hoping as well.

I'd buy an extended stick with KG12 in an instant.

Sokol1

Sokol1

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Just FYI - the joystick Defender Cobra M-5, a low cost "entry level" lost his VKB "heritage" this year.

 

Until now his differential to other low cost joystick are the use of VKB MarS sensor and  in end of 2013 VKB NJoy32 controller (previous use ATMEGA based controller), but in 2014 for market reasons (profit - why X55 use cheap pot's on secondary axes), the manufacturer replace Mars and Njoy32 with some generic low cost versions with analog sensor - VKB Mars are digital.

 

VKB offer a metal, ball bearing gimbal as upgrade for Cobra joystick - what now lost sense due the "downgrade" on electronics.

 

VKB use the grip of Cobra in his Mamba joysticks, but the above changes dont affect the quality or product, since Mambas use Njoy32, MarS and aluminum base, ball bearing gimbal.

Only use of Cobra grip to cut cost until a metal KG-12 and other options are not ready (grip mold are very expensive).

 

Notice that despite the similar visual - due the common grip - Cobra and Mamba are products from different manufacturers. To add confusion, Cobra is sold by same VKB Western reseller...

 

Owners of Cobra with Njoy32 can turn then in "Cobra Z" with VKB firmware upgrade.

 

Better explained here (GT).

 

And, I dont have relations with VKB.

 

BTW - even with downgrade, the analog contact less sensor on Cobra are better that "0,10$" pot's used in most entry level joysticks. Exception Tm T16000-M. ;)

 

Sokol1

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SYN_Vorlander

SYN_Vorlander

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Hi Sokol,

 

Please keep us updated. I dont receive any info from VKB Europe at the moment about any developments.

 

Cheers

 

V

Matt

Matt

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Did anybody hear any news about the option to buy the base without the stick? Last info i got from Eduard was, that it would be possible to order just the base in November or December 2013. I guess that didn't work out as planned.

Sokol1

Sokol1

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Matt, Try contact direct with VKB Russia to get this information: vkb.mov@gmail.com

 

The end of use VKB technology by Defender on Cobra M-5 will produce a beneficial effect.

 

Gametrix - that use VKB electronics in his low cost ECS throttle - will produce for VKB a new low cost (60~80$) joystick with his electronics/technology. "All plastic" of course. :biggrin:

 

But you know, in "two months, be sure". ;)

 

Sokol1

SeaQuark

SeaQuark

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I wonder if they still make this "superlight" version of Mamba. Just one wheel on the left. Suitable for guys who dont own HOTAS systems with separate throttle. Light Mamba has a wheel on the front of the base which cant be sued for throttle. And this Mamba looks cool and minimalistic.

ya-i-moi-djoistiki-ili-kak-prevratit-hob

 

Is there no way to currently get this version? This is the perfect stick for me and looks great too-- a few buttons on a joystick are nice, but the new version is way overkill and unnecessary. Much prefer to have switches available to left hand where I can more easily access them.

Sokol1

Sokol1

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SeaQuark

 

You need contact VKB - email in my previous post - to get on the waiting list.

 

The above picture can be:

 

Black Mamba Light -  279$ - Njoy32 with limited (firmware) functions.

 

Black Mamba PRO - 299$ - Njoy32 with expanded (firmware) functions, like ability to control external button box.

 

http://www.vkb-flightsimcontrols.com/zakaz/index_z.php

 

Both are compatible with Tm Cougar or Warthog grip and the future VKB metal KG12 grip - with proper adapter sold by VKB - see on link.

 

Sokol1

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Nage

Nage

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Above joystick (on the pic) was labeled as King Cobra MKII. Lets call it a Mamba prototype. Today we have Fat Mamba which has many switches and wheels and Mamba Light which has only trim wheel on the front side. I would like to save some bucks and to buy Light version but with that one wheel on the left side (as on the pic). Then it could be used as throttle. I dont like separate throttle as in HOTAS systems.

BTW, Eduard from VKB is no longer responding to customers via email (several weeks passed) and he was the one responsible for EU (and US?) market. I hope it will be possible to order Mamba in the future. As I heard its fantastic.

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ST_Pirato

ST_Pirato

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I would not worry,there where times when it was quiet and a reply from him took a while.

oneeyeddog

oneeyeddog

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I've emailed twice in the last several weeks and have yet to hear back. Also I tried but was unable to register on their website.

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Swabo

Swabo

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Hello to all from Croatia ,at 1.4.2014 i buy Defender Cobra M5 from this page http://flightsimcontrols.com , at 13.04 i send to tham mail ,thay respond at 16.04 ( Sorry we will send to you immediately ) ,today is 22.04.2014 and i didnt got my joystick ,thay are thieves and fraudsters .I can say this becouse on there page thay say thay will send products in 3 days ,+ i pay 20€ for shipmen .SO DONT TRY TO BUY ANY OF THERE PRODUCTS.

Bando

Bando

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Wow. I hope you are wrong.

I am thinking of ordering something  at VKB as well.

oneeyeddog

oneeyeddog

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I've emailed twice in the last several weeks and have yet to hear back. Also I tried but was unable to register on their website.

I emailed VKB again yesterday and heard back from them today. I'm curious, has anyone here from North America ordered a joystick from them?

Nage

Nage

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Hello to all from Croatia ,at 1.4.2014 i buy Defender Cobra M5 from this page http://flightsimcontrols.com , at 13.04 i send to tham mail ,thay respond at 16.04 ( Sorry we will send to you immediately ) ,today is 22.04.2014 and i didnt got my joystick ,thay are thieves and fraudsters .I can say this becouse on there page thay say thay will send products in 3 days ,+ i pay 20€ for shipmen .SO DONT TRY TO BUY ANY OF THERE PRODUCTS.

Nope, they are valid representatives for EU and US market. Kobra defender is no longer produced (pimped) by VKB and that could be the possibly delay in shippment. AFAIK, all of the EU and US orders for Mamba arrived.

 

I emailed VKB again yesterday and heard back from them today. I'm curious, has anyone here from North America ordered a joystick from them?

 

Thats interesting as I didnt heard from them for a long time. Did you spoke with Eduard?

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oneeyeddog

oneeyeddog

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Nope, they are valid representatives for EU and US market. Kobra defender is no longer produced (pimped) by VKB and that could be the possibly delay in shippment. AFAIK, all of the EU and US orders for Mamba arrived.

 
 

Thats interesting as I didnt heard from them for a long time. Did you spoke with Eduard?

Yes tikvic, I did hear from Eduard. He indicated they are taking pre-orders for the Fat Black Mamba and Mamba Lite.

Nage

Nage

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Yes tikvic, I did hear from Eduard. He indicated they are taking pre-orders for the Fat Black Mamba and Mamba Lite.

Ahh thank you mate.

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