Is there anybody out there?

[Lensman]

This forum has gone unusually quiet in the last few days. Very few posts and virtually no developer comment.

Any reason for this?

[SYN_Mike77]

Everyone is waiting for the big update tomorrow. 

[Streiff]

Half of the population left for unknown reasons   

[JimTM]

Just a very faint grinding noise...and some muttering. :-)

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Jim, that grinding noise is your wife sharpening her ax if you don't get off the computer.  

[Trooper117]

I haven't played the game in nearly two weeks... waiting to see what happens next

[Elbows]

Seems like a bunch of disgruntled people have departed.  Also, last week a load of threads were locked which probably turned a bunch of folks away from the forum.  With the "release" of the game, there is also less for people to talk about in the forums.  The decisions have been made, so people are just settling into play, or not play.

[JimTM]

Jim, that grinding noise is your wife sharpening her ax if you don't get off the computer.  

Oh no, that's not a prob...gaakkkkk!!

[Chuck_Owl]

#Di-doo# The user you are trying to reach is currently unavailable...

[chris455]

It's The Rapture. Had to be.

I KNEW Id be left behind

............

[Lensman]

It's The Rapture. Had to be.

I KNEW Id be left behind

............

 

LOL!

[Feathered_IV]

The FM whiners are satiated for now, and they don't normally contribute unless it is to complain.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I stopped playing. So just reading up here and occasionally testing stuff. But no SP or MP for me in BoS. Letting it mature a bit, maybe some nice surprises would come along.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Half of the population left for unknown reasons   

 

I don't think the reasons are "unknown"

 

the unlocks fiasco followed by the release of the game with no ME,DServer and not releasing at least one skin template has turned a number of people off. There are a select few who have had a working ME and DServer which means they do in fact exist but according to Jason they are not going to be released until they are finished......well the game was released into "early access" for the community to try out and provide feedback.

 

There is really no reason they could not have done the same thing with the ME and DServer with the express understanding that the aforementioned Items are in Beta,Alpha , pre-Alapha , primordial ooze stage...etc and as the standard disclaimer goes "do not reflect the finished product" . I was going through the ME tutorials for RoF and the PDF but have stopped because I am not really sure where this is going, the last few times i logged into MP it was a grave yard So i am going to just watch from afar and see what happens.

[indiaciki]

I'm flying the A2A Cessna from Tivat to Nice. It takes some time.

[Skoots]

S!

 

 I stopped playing. So just reading up here and occasionally testing stuff. But no SP or MP for me in BoS. Letting it mature a bit, maybe some nice surprises would come along.

 

This.

[indiaciki]

S!

 

 I stopped playing. So just reading up here and occasionally testing stuff. But no SP or MP for me in BoS. Letting it mature a bit, maybe some nice surprises would come along.

 

http://skyvector.com/?ll=48.425158333,10.931763889&chart=301&zoom=3

[dburne]

Seems like a bunch of disgruntled people have departed.  Also, last week a load of threads were locked which probably turned a bunch of folks away from the forum.  With the "release" of the game, there is also less for people to talk about in the forums.  The decisions have been made, so people are just settling into play, or not play.

 

This... same is happening on other forums in relation to the sim as well.

I have not played it since the day after the single player system was released.

Edited November 6, 2014 by dburnette

[indiaciki]

3h not spent on unlocks and xp... 

 

Thanks, Chuck. The A2A 172 is great. FM etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Malfador]

I'm treating this as early access beta still.  great potential.  just waiting.  hope this develops as ROF did, even though i didnt play it, it wound up with almost every WW1 plane.  Will gladly pay for planes, DLC whatever.  People need to realize modern flight sim of this caliber is not cheap.  ( waiting for warthunder comparison )  

 

To me this is a happy medium of full DCS sim and Warthunder arcade.  

 

Really hoping that they made enough money on this to move forward strong.  I can handle the unlocks. 

 

No one ( that i have seen ) has mentioned the Tunisia skins that appeared.  Hoping for an eventual MTO version.  

 

This was in nowhere near the COD fiasco but the closing weeks of early access were a bit weird.  

[Uriah]

I am finding enough people on multiplayer but few on TeamSpeak.   So that is a real bummer for me.  I find half the fun is chatting with others while shooting each other.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

http://skyvector.com/?ll=48.425158333,10.931763889&chart=301&zoom=3

 

 

I never noticed how different the sectional markings are compared to what I am used to.

I'm flying the A2A Cessna from Tivat to Nice. It takes some time.

I have been looking at that.  Those guys worked hard on the simulation.

[TG-55Panthercules]

S!

 

 I stopped playing. So just reading up here and occasionally testing stuff. But no SP or MP for me in BoS. Letting it mature a bit, maybe some nice surprises would come along.

 

This.

 

Everything that needed to be said about the unlocks and other controversial design decisions has been said.  Can't get the game to work in SP (about a 20% success rate in campaign missions, between Esc key bugs and CTDs and autopilot lawndarting - 2 weeks of attempts to get 1/2-way through the unlocks on a single plane (Stuka) - definitely not ready for prime time).  Game feels like it's still in beta, and I just don't have the time or inclination to be a beta tester for this one.  Still hoping they get things fixed and have success with the title - the missions that worked lead me to believe this could be a fun game for the occasional quick mission (and a great sim if they or someone else ever creates a decent SP career/campaign mode for it), so I'll keep checking back to see how it's going.

[indiaciki]

I never noticed how different the sectional markings are compared to what I am used to.

I have been looking at that.  Those guys worked hard on the simulation.

 

My father who's been flying for 30+ years looked at the high / low IFR routes...his comment was "they're out of their minds. It looks like a spiders web".

 

I've never flown a cessna... I've been flying since adulthood but only twins (beech duchess). But I'm really in love with A2A's 172. I already wrecked the battery twice. It has really nice details. An hour ago my AP went crazy. Great sim plane. I'd like to hear sombody's opinion who's flown the 172. She really spins great. 

Edited November 7, 2014 by indiaciki

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

My father who's been flying for 30+ years looked at the high / low IFR routes...his comment was "they're out of their minds. It looks like a spiders web".

 

I've never flown a cessna... I've been flying since adulthood but only twins (beech duchess). But I'm really in love with A2A's 172. I already wrecked the battery twice. It has really nice details. An hour ago my AP went crazy. Great sim plane. I'd like to hear sombody's opinion who's flown the 172. She really spins great. 

 

I have flown 172s (G models, N models and P models), but never the newer fuel injected ones that I think are depicted in the sim exclusively.  I watched the dev videos, and I can say that the starting procedure is different, which isn't a surprise.  

 

In my experience, the 172s don't like to spin -- the ones I have tried it in will only go to the left and only with power on and then will recover by themselves unless you force them to stay in the spin, but that may be what you meant, being that recovery from a spin is a very important part of the maneuver ;-)

[Yakdriver]

with XP counting not working half the time, and MP being a very small platform without fully equipped planes...
and only one map to fly above  -  the "white one"...
i went from lvl 4 to lvl 4.5 this week.

[indiaciki]

They don't like to spin. I convinced my father showing him youtube videos of normal 172s. He thouth the only Cessna that would do that was the cessna aerobat. The A2A recovers pretty much by itself. I never started a cessna until now (sim)  but it's pretty much the same with a beech - battery, fuel pump, magnetos tanks etc. Only didn't I ever wreck the battery on a beech. I don't have a PPL since I always fllew with people who did have. I'll have to do it in spring an a 172. From my perspective the A2A is great. What different in the startup procedure? There were many 172 models.

 

I'll post a video in an hour or two. roll over airfield, loop over airfield and dead stick landing.

Edited November 7, 2014 by indiaciki

[unreasonable]

I am flying SP in my home-made DiD campaign while completely ignoring anything to do with xp or unlocks, and it is much more enjoyable this way. Even the exit mission ctd becomes an irrelevance.

 

The game is still going out of its way to make this kind of play cumbersome and unrealistic, however, what with lack of pilot, unit skins, control of time of day and, I strongly suspect, the wrong bases being used at least for the soviets, among other things.

 

 A let down when compared to the RoF experience.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

With the carbureted 172s, you set the mixture before engaging the starter, and there is no fuel pump of course.

 

Probably the most important difference is that you have a carb heat control to the left of the throttle, and you use it a lot -- pretty much anytime you are in the air and the engine is running at a low power setting to avoid having carb ice in case of a go around or something similar.

 

The G models were a little harder to fly, because they didn't have the indexed flaps.  You had to hold the flap switch up or down until the flaps got where you wanted them - with the newer models you set the flap control where you want the flaps to go.  The N models and earlier had 40 degrees of flaps available, which makes them great for short fields with obstructions.  You can come down very steeply.  The P model can carry about 100 pounds more, but only has 30 degrees of flaps.  Oh, and the landing and taxi lights tended to migrate around model to model.

[indiaciki]

Thanks Sgt

 

I'll probably be flying some like 40 year old 172... good to know  

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

If you are in the US and not learning in LSAs, that seems pretty likely.  

 

There is an "SP" at the club I rent from, but it doesn't get much use because it costs about half again as much per hour as the older planes for a relatively minor gain in performance.  You'd have to be going pretty far to make it worthwhile, so the plane mostly just sits.

 

It is probably going to get worse, because the club is likely to re-engine the older planes with something more powerful.

 

In my area, there was a trainer using a UA Samba (19UA, in fact - one of the originals and sort of the poster child for Sambas now destroyed under as yet unknown circumstances), and a few in Zodiacs, and a couple Trikes, two Skycatchers and one school that uses Diamonds here, but for the most part, 172s are pretty common.

 

The aircraft market is really strange.  It got so expensive for manufacturers to build and sell aircraft, the prices went up dramatically in the 80s, which is part of the reason for the age of the trainers.  Back then a new 172 cost maybe $30k or so, now the comparable airplane costs a quarter of a million dollars.  The Skycatcher couldn't compete with Cessna's own older products.

 

My feeling is the FAA has badly mismanaged general aviation in the US.

[indiaciki]

They pretty much killed GA in Europe, too. Gas prices, landind fees etc - expelled them almost completely from Int. airports etc I'll be doing my PPL in Belgrade, Serbia or maybe in Germany, I'd like to do it in a taildragger - citabria, but I doubt there is a chance....They all have 172s.

[SYN_Speck]

No one ( that i have seen ) has mentioned the Tunisia skins that appeared.  Hoping for an eventual MTO version.  

 

This was in nowhere near the COD fiasco but the closing weeks of early access were a bit weird.  

 

I've been wondering about the Desert skins too! And surprised I haven't seen or heard mention of them here (though I am by no means a thorough forum reader.) Maybe someone should start another thread to discuss the topic >coughcessnaguystoocough<

 

Maybe we can have a nice flat brown map to compliment the nice flat white map! I know, that sounds cynical, but I would not complain. Though my first choice for expansion would be Crimea/Kuban.

[Feathered_IV]

The desert skins came about when the devs called for suggestions for skins. Members of the community who cannot tell the difference between Stalingrad or Afrika, or a Friedrich from a Kurfurst were nominating some wildly inappropriate colour schemes for this sim. Thus we ended up with the present situation where the devs chose the best of a bad lot and only one in four skins are not a bloody farce.

[Finkeren]

I don't know if I'd call them a 'farce' Feathered. Most of them are pretty well done, but perhaps the selection is not truly befitting a sim centered around a specific battle?

[Feathered_IV]

That's what I meant. Late war 190's in defense of the reich colour schemes. Norwegian based aircraft, channel front 109's...

[Finkeren]

It's like Warthunder without the grinding!!!

 

.....oh wait.....

[Brano]

I promised myself not to engage on this forum as often as I did before.It is full of negative waves,trolls and childish whining.There are few people left with whom one can have a nice,enriching conversation.Yes,you read it correct.Conversation,not fight/flamewar/name'n'shame...

+there are no answers from devs for basic questions about certain disfunctionalities within game engine and no roadmap for future activities = there is nothing one can look forward and discuss about.

[Finkeren]

I promised myself not to engage on this forum as often as I did before.It is full of negative waves,trolls and childish whining.There are few people left with whom one can have a nice,enriching conversation.Yes,you read it correct.Conversation,not fight/flamewar/name'n'shame...

+there are no answers from devs for basic questions about certain disfunctionalities within game engine and no roadmap for future activities = there is nothing one can look forward and discuss about.

 

Unfortunately, this is true. Too much antagonizing and too little to look forward to (yet)

 

BoS is still the best bet for a future of the WW2 CFS genre, but we need some teasers of things to come to keep the community going. Right now the most exciting thing happening is coming from a 3rd party in the form of Zeus' amazing work on the Velikiye Luki map.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Finkeren

[Yakdriver]

well, i am pouring my hopes into the FMB and the Dedicated server.

need to get the squad stuff up and running - a corner stone of the virtual flying thing.
hardly see any squads go the BoS - which is a crying ahsme.
and right after that, some green or yellow-colored Maps; winter inside and winter outside is depressing to the mind.