voncrapenhauser Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 It's war. Once that engine is fired up you are fair game. There are airfield choices farther away if you dislike spawn rape. +1 Spawn Rape ..... like that term LOL Plus sometimes they miss and you get a sweet shot right into them as they fly past +1 Had 1 today .
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I tracked a guy, straight and level, for 10km (I was dropping down from 3000m) and shot him as he put his gear down and position lights on near his airfield. I don't know if he never checked six or thought that would save him. He flamed out and ranted in chat for several minutes. I don't consider that basecamping, nor do I usually attack people in the pattern with anything other than bombs, but that tactic is a fail every time in my book.
voncrapenhauser Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) I tracked a guy, straight and level, for 10km (I was dropping down from 3000m) and shot him as he put his gear down and position lights on near his airfield. I don't know if he never checked six or thought that would save him. He flamed out and ranted in chat for several minutes. I don't consider that basecamping, nor do I usually attack people in the pattern with anything other than bombs, but that tactic is a fail every time in my book. +1 In reality it happened a lot in WWII. I see nothing wrong with that. I personally will not Vulch a newly spawned pilot. As Spawning is not truly representative of air combat IMO. Edited February 19, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 +1 In reality it happened a lot in WWII. I see nothing wrong with that. I personally will not Vulch a newly spawned pilot. As Spawning is not truly representative of air combat IMO. Nope, I always bypass the newly spawned to attack a AAA gun, beyond, instead. Usually stay away from the pattern unless my evasive maneuvering takes me over it - then I'll take any passing shot I can. It is, afterall, an AIR combat game in my opinion.
novicebutdeadly Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Evening gents (and ladies of course ),I have only quickly read through the comments, so I apologies if what I write has been said a million times.I didn't vote because there isn't a point that I completely agree with.IMHO each map should have 3 bases per side.Each side has a base that is close to the front that has minimal AA guns (and perhaps having static planes that re-spawn when destroyed), the next base is further away from the lines and has medium AA (provides a fair deterrent, there would also be randomly placed AA guns between the first and second base), the last base is the furthest from the lines and has an impossible amount of AA guns around the base (with an ever increasing amount of AA between base 2 and base 3).To me this satisfies those who rightly point out that vulching happened in real life, as well as allowing a safe haven for those who are having their fun ruined by spawn campers/ excessive vulching.As others have pointed out, actually having an objective in the map would also provide a deterrent, as it gives people something else to do (like in il2 1946 server Battlefields1), other than to fly direct to the enemy base.
voncrapenhauser Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Yes the servers on occasion I have noticed have another target ...say Field artillery on this occasion. On one occasion I saw 3 HE111s attacking the artillery, all players not AI.....Cool. If I see enemy planes circling my airfield on the map "like surrounding a covered wagon" I use the nearest air or airfield spawn point, this also means you can get to combat altitude without being Vulched.. Edited February 20, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I´d have no problem getting "vulched" by bombers but getting "farmed" by fighters isn´t really that much fun .. To all who say "oh, it´s war - they did it in the real war - etc." think about new players who are trying to get the hang of the game and dogfighting. A lot are complaining about low player numbers on the servers but then players enforce a playstyle hostile to new players without thinking just because "it´s war and everything is justified" ... And even to experienced players I think getting "farmed" at takeoff isn´t that much fun - not sure what the vulching players get out of it except a few stupid stats. Well, must feel good to shoot some clay pigeons or sitting ducks .. 2
SOLIDKREATE Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I´d have no problem getting "vulched" by bombers but getting "farmed" by fighters isn´t really that much fun .. To all who say "oh, it´s war - they did it in the real war - etc." think about new players who are trying to get the hang of the game and dogfighting. A lot are complaining about low player numbers on the servers but then players enforce a playstyle hostile to new players without thinking just because "it´s war and everything is justified" ... And even to experienced players I think getting "farmed" at takeoff isn´t that much fun - not sure what the vulching players get out of it except a few stupid stats. Well, must feel good to shoot some clay pigeons or sitting ducks .. +1
Y-29.Silky Posted February 20, 2015 Author Posted February 20, 2015 I´d have no problem getting "vulched" by bombers but getting "farmed" by fighters isn´t really that much fun .. To all who say "oh, it´s war - they did it in the real war - etc." think about new players who are trying to get the hang of the game and dogfighting. A lot are complaining about low player numbers on the servers but then players enforce a playstyle hostile to new players without thinking just because "it´s war and everything is justified" ... And even to experienced players I think getting "farmed" at takeoff isn´t that much fun - not sure what the vulching players get out of it except a few stupid stats. Well, must feel good to shoot some clay pigeons or sitting ducks .. +2
Apache_DMZ Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 I just spent a ungodly amount of time reading all comments. I think everyone has valid points. I remember playing Fighter Ace, yes im that old, and people would complain when you were damaged or out of fuel and ammo, and flew back to base to use the AA as a shield. So you fix one thing such as upping AA and someone else complains. This is IL2, we have fighters and bombers and if im flying a stuka with a huge bomb, im gona hit ur base if your taking of or landing, im not waiting for you to come up and kill me. Base rape in my eyes is base camping with a fighter and is cheap thrills but in every game ive played its a issue, some love it some hate it. Im for upping the AA and let it rock within server rules, after all isnt the point to win the game, within the rules of each server of course.
II./JG27_Rich Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Spits VS 109s was a great server but will no base attaking allowed. How stupid! Why even have Battle of Britain missions or North Africa missions. It's an important part of just about any mission.
Cybermat47 Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I do it, but only at front-line airfields. Also, on Cliffs of Dover, somebody kept taxiing into my flight path and shooting at me. I very quickly buggered off. Something for people to consider while being vulched
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 energy fighting is another way of vulching actually Touché.
DD_Arthur Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I voted rocket and bombs but I used to quite like some of the old IL2 servers which had a no vulching rule. Back then though there was a big choice of populated servers. I think vulching has a lot to do with big maps and small numbers of players. As I'm on holiday these last couple of nights I've stayed up into the wee small hours so my rubbish internet becomes fast enough to fly on WOL. Not too bad when I joined, about eighteen per side. I flew a HE-111 with Satan and his smaller brother aboard and hit one of the objectives. Good fun. RTB'd no problem and was going to fly the HE again but the split was now sixteen axis and five allies so I switched sides and took the Rata with bombs and cannon for a ride. Upon spawning I've just got the engine running, the airfield flak opens up and Wham! Everything goes red and a '109 flies over after strafing me and gets hit by flak leaving a smoke trail. Apart from the completely wasted effort of twenty minutes flying time to get here, annoy someone and get yourself shot down, with a mere five opponents to fly against you'd think they might cherish the opportunity of some air combat? Obviously not. At three in the morning I'm voting with my feet and leaving. Simples. Edit; agree completely with Golani's comments above. Edited August 15, 2015 by DD_Arthur 1
Jaws2002 Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 How do you feel about vulching in multiplayer? Good.
71st_AH_Hooves Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Unless its an objective, it's a chicken (edited) thing to do. What's worse is certain squads like FB that do this to pad internet stats.WE wonder why no one wants to make missions. What's the point? If all on the German team just go vulch all day.The other day Germans outnumbered rus 3 to 1. Still lost pathetically with no objectives hit.It's pathetic and makes we not want to be a part of this community. Edited September 8, 2015 by SYN_Haashashin
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Unless its an objective, it's a chicken (edited) thing to do. What's worse is certain squads like FB that do this to pad internet stats. WE wonder why no one wants to make missions. What's the point? If all on the German team just go vulch all day. The other day Germans outnumbered rus 3 to 1. Still lost pathetically with no objectives hit. It's pathetic and makes we not want to be a part of this community. I got vulched pretty good a couple of times Saturday morning flying the Ju87 on WOL and the sides were even the whole time, bud... Chill out a bit on the VVS Super Fan rhetoric and try to have some fun with it... Or disinvolve yourself from the community and MP... That'd be a bit of a shame, though.
71st_AH_Hooves Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I got vulched pretty good a couple of times Saturday morning flying the Ju87 on WOL and the sides were even the whole time, bud... Chill out a bit on the VVS Super Fan rhetoric and try to have some fun with it... Or disinvolve yourself from the community and MP... That'd be a bit of a shame, though. VVS super fan? I play what ever team has less players I am not russian or german, I have no allegiences. I do have a want to play a decent mp match and watching these ass hats go vulch instead of flying my wing while i attempt to bomb an objective really gets on my nerves. While there are players on the VVS who vulch and I say the same things the them, the occurrence is FAR more likely to come from the "only fly german" crowd. Edited September 9, 2015 by [TWB]Hooves_McG
3instein Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 So why can't more AAA be added to airfields? Surely this is the easiest answer as trying to get folk to change there method of delivery is fruitless. This argument is as old as online gaming and nothing will change in that respect. Mick.
71st_AH_Hooves Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 So why can't more AAA be added to airfields? Surely this is the easiest answer as trying to get folk to change there method of delivery is fruitless. This argument is as old as online gaming and nothing will change in that respect. Mick. They absolutely can be added. But if people don't play on your server you are out of luck. People play on the WoL server that has very light AAA at the base. I feel its only function is to let you know you are about to be vulched.
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 -snip- the occurrence is FAR more likely to come from the "only fly german" crowd. I cordially disagree with you and will respond to no further discourse on the subject.
71st_AH_Hooves Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 I cordially disagree with you and will respond to no further discourse on the subject. Fair enough. 1
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