Takeoff in the snow ?

[150GCT_Veltro]

Guys, too many people takeoff in the snow and not on the runway. This should have to be fixed because is really an immersion (and realism) killer.

 

This is also really important online during the airfields attack (scramble).

[=LD=Hethwill]

Agreed. Wheels should react differently in snow.

[Leaf]

You certainly feel the difference between taking off of tarmac and taking off in snow; much more bumpy, much more likely to damage the landing gear.

How difficult it should be depends on the depth of the snow, and since the snow (judging by the tracks aircraft wheels make) isn't that deep around airfields, I think the way it's modelled right now is just fine -- or at least not a priority.
 

Regarding how many people take off dirty, it's usually for two reasons:

 

a.) ground handling is quite difficult to come to terms with. I don't know if it's realistic the way it is, or not, but it's certainly tricky. Many couldn't be bothered to go in circles and crash into random objects, or, heaven forbid, other players, so they just take off from where they are. 

b.) If you're being strafed, you've gotta take off fast, sitting on the ground is basically suicide, taxiing possibly even more so. Hence the "dirty" take-off.

 

That's my thought, anyway.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

You certainly feel the difference between taking off of tarmac and taking off in snow; much more bumpy, much more likely to damage the landing gear.

 

I agree, but there is also the factor of what is under the snow.  For some of these planes, I don't think it would take too much of a terrain irregularity to cause a prop strike.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

If you take a full load (fuel/bombs) I've broken gear taking off on the snow. However I think there should be much more drag modeled from the snow and I also think the snow seem pretty darn thin for the time period they should have feet of snow not inches. There should be snow banks on the edges of the runway, roads, taxiways from plowing. All these factors would prevent "cheating" by taking off straight from the ramp.  It should be needed to perform a soft field takeoff with more flaps when taking off or landing from/in a snowy field. 

Edited November 5, 2014 by driftaholic

[Leaf]

If you take a full load (fuel/bombs) I've broken gear taking off on the snow. However I think there should be much more drag modeled from the snow and I also think the snow seem pretty darn thin for the time period they should have feet of snow not inches. There should be snow banks on the edges of the runway, roads, taxiways from plowing. All these factors would prevent "cheating" by taking off straight from the ramp.  It should be needed to perform a soft field takeoff with more flaps when taking off or landing from/in a snowy field. 

 

That would be hilarious to watch! An over-eager 109 pilot slamming the throttle forward and crashing into a deep snow drift

[Y-29.Silky]

Agreed, people should only be making it a few feet before nosing over in the snow. This isn't the Battle of Britain where huge grass fields were used. The snow on the taxiway/runways were packed in, the snow outside of it, should be like driving into a snow bank.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

I believe some may being using the trouble taxing as an excuse to just take off where ever they can.

 

Chief

[=LD=Hethwill]

I believe some may being using the trouble taxing as an excuse to just take off where ever they can.

 

Chief

 

A ONE dirty take off is as dangerous as a squad of 4 attacking the airfield. Possibility of damaged aircraft is roughly the same, except in the first option will be 2 friendlies, while the second will be 2 planes, 1 for each side. ( statistics thrown at random but you get the picture ).

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

From a realism standpoint I don't see a problem here. The Luftwaffe pilots DID takeoff during poor conditions on the Eastern Front. Very few field bases looked like the ones in IL-2 and they were very primitive. If the pilots could takeoff, they did basically. Snow or not. On the Stukas they even removed the wheel covers to make takeoffs and landings in snow (and mud) possible. Of course the Luftwaffe lost quite a few planes to the terrain because of potholes and holes from shelling etc. But it's definatly not unrealistic to be able to takeoff on the snow...

 

 

Edited November 5, 2014 by -=XBOYZ=-ElHadji

[vonPilsner]

Ground handling is difficult enough for new pilots, making snow more of a problem may encourage people to stay in SP and start on runway rather than venture out to the MP servers.

[Y-29.Silky]

Ground handling is difficult enough for new pilots, making snow more of a problem may encourage people to stay in SP and start on runway rather than venture out to the MP servers.

But when you're taking off and someone cuts across the runway ramming you, or running into a tree/static bunker is getting a little annoying because your team loses the plane.

 

It's not the fact that players (including new) can't taxi, it's just that they're too damn lazy.

[Lensman]

There's a definite difference in the force feedback when in snow (rough and rattly) and a pronounced tendency to slip around and crash.

[vonPilsner]

But when you're taking off and someone cuts across the runway ramming you, or running into a tree/static bunker is getting a little annoying because your team loses the plane.

 

It's not the fact that players (including new) can't taxi, it's just that they're too damn lazy.

Ohhh, I agree that is annoying, gotcha!

 

[DeafBee]

All I am missing is Force Feedback input from the ground similar to ROF. Especially when in the deep snow. 

[indiaciki]

absolutly possible. They leveled the groung before. These were aircraft built for war. Even now it's preferred to take of on grass for taildraggers and WW2 aircraft had more robust landing gear.. Built for TO and laning  from wherever they might be. 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Here we get about 3-4ft or even more snow during winter, so good luck taking off outside the plowed or otherwise prepared areas

[indiaciki]

I was talking about snow on prepared ares

[avlSteve]

I wonder if "snow depth" is a parameter on the map.  It would be awesome to have it be piled up here and there, and may as well have some trucks or tractors with plows moving it about.

Edited November 6, 2014 by avlSteve

[Potenz]

It should be a bit harder but not impossible,

here some videos of snow and mud conditions

 

 

i hope one day this will be modeled

 

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

 

 

 

 

At 2:26, that snow piled up next to the runway sort of looks like it would be a problem to taxi into.

Edited November 6, 2014 by HeavyCavalrySgt

[unreasonable]

The syndicate server has tackled this problem, at least on some of the fields I have flown from, by sadistically lining the taxiways with parked trucks. Makes taxiing to the main strip a lot more "immersive"!

[Reflected]

I've also been wondering about this. It shouldn't be impossible to take off fro ma snowy runway, but to take off from and land on a field that's covered by very thick snow...I doubt that. At least it should be much more difficult and risky.

[M4rgaux]

The syndicate server has tackled this problem, at least on some of the fields I have flown from, by sadistically lining the taxiways with parked trucks. Makes taxiing to the main strip a lot more "immersive"!

 

Actually there's a Russian parking where you can just go through everything, fire up the engine, full throttle and you're airborne. 

[unreasonable]

Actually there's a Russian parking where you can just go through everything, fire up the engine, full throttle and you're airborne.

Well maybe this solution could be extended to other fields, using trucks, MG posts, barrels or whatever. Maybe it would cause some kind of object count problems, but if enough people are fed up with the situation this could work. Need to take it up on the Syndicate thread so that the right people see it.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

At 2:26, that snow piled up next to the runway sort of looks like it would be a problem to taxi into.

 

Also, I LOL'd at the percussive maintenance on the P-51's landing gear using a jeep.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

A ONE dirty take off is as dangerous as a squad of 4 attacking the airfield. Possibility of damaged aircraft is roughly the same, except in the first option will be 2 friendlies, while the second will be 2 planes, 1 for each side. ( statistics thrown at random but you get the picture ).

 

I agree khan .....

 

Chief