setting up rotary for trim controls

[Petrosky]

Why is it so hard to set trim controls to rotary in this sim?

I can't figure out how to set them in this sim.

All other sims you can program them very easy in the control section

Am i missing something that would allow this function?

Thanks,

Petrosky

[VBF-12_Snake9]

yea, your missing something. . .  or more like the devs are missing something.  Trim is not allowed or programed on axis. 

 

Don't ask me why not. . .  

[TG-55Panthercules]

Hmm - I have a very vague memory of a swirl on the forums about "trim on a slider" from the old IL-2 days, but (for me) that was probably 7 or 8 years ago so I can't recall any of the details.  I don't have any axes left to spare for trim, so I haven't tried to do that with BoS, but I wonder if this is an echo of something from the old IL-2 days?

[Petrosky]

Trim from a rotary is much closer to trim wheel than using a keyboard

I wish they would consider this addition

[Flack88]

Trim from a rotary is much closer to trim wheel than using a keyboard

I wish they would consider this addition

Same here, atm im just using 4way hatswitch on my X55.

[t3redundee]

I'm able to trim the Horizontal Stabilizer on my BF109 and the FW190 using the INCR/Decr slider on my Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle, using the in game settings.(Observe trim wheel in cockpit move from 3 to -6........2 being the best for level flight)

[Bearcat]

yea, your missing something. . .  or more like the devs are missing something.  Trim is not allowed or programed on axis. 

 

Don't ask me why not. . .  

 

 

Yeah that is one of those.. I don't get it things for me. I could see it if a plane had electric trim controls.. but if it was mechanical with a wheel... one would think it would be modeled.

[Petrosky]

Same here, atm im just using 4way hatswitch on my X55.

Do you program this in game or with x55 software?

[Petrosky]

Hmm - I have a very vague memory of a swirl on the forums about "trim on a slider" from the old IL-2 days, but (for me) that was probably 7 or 8 years ago so I can't recall any of the details.  I don't have any axes left to spare for trim, so I haven't tried to do that with BoS, but I wonder if this is an echo of something from the old IL-2 days?

I remember all that going on in 2001&2002 i think it was in reguards to a pilot named RayBan Jockey? those were good times

[Sokol1]

"Trim on slider" are issue in il-2 Sturmovik  in 2001/2002 because the original game dont have trim (or CEM) only "auto trims" and when implemented in some patch the trim response is very fast, what are used by people as cheater to do "bat turns", using josytick throttle slider or wheel for this. Latter the speed response was decreased and the problem "solved".

BoS = trim on axis only for Bf 109/Fw190 and trim on keys/buttons for all other planes (including for Bf 109 and Fw 190). Was told in the other forum that it is game design and will not change.

[dburne]

 Was told in the other forum that it is game design and will not change.

 

So many game design decisions that really baffle me, but it is their sim...

[TG-55Panthercules]

I remember all that going on in 2001&2002 i think it was in reguards to a pilot named RayBan Jockey? those were good times

LOL - RayBan Jockey - that was it !!  Guess it was a lot longer ago than I had thought.  Getting old faster than I thought, too 

[kestrel79]

Every other sim I have done this, used my rotories for my trim. Now I can't in BoS and it makes me mad. I like to have the same controls for all my sims to remember stuff. I know some of the Russian planes seem to have an actual trim button, so maybe that's why they chose not to but come on at least give us the option.

[John_Banks]

I am using two axis trim statements for my HOTAS Cougar throttle. I am using the ant rotaries to "trim" the x and y axis. What it does is to put the virtual stick position slighlty up/down left/right, so it's like holding your stick constantly down to keep the plane straight. It's very good, although some kind of a cheat. That way, you can trim all the planes in ROF too.

Edited November 4, 2014 by John_Banks

[Jaegermeister]

I am using two axis trim statements for my HOTAS Cougar throttle. I am using the ant rotaries to "trim" the x and y axis. What it does is to put the virtual stick position slighlty up/down left/right, so it's like holding your stick constantly down to keep the plane straight. It's very good, although some kind of a cheat. That way, you can trim all the planes in ROF too.

I don't think it is cheating, just using available resources... I am doing the same thing and it would work on a warthog too. You can copy and paste this at the end of your .tmj file if you want to.

 

ANT 1 12 TRIM (JOYY,10-) TRIM (JOYY,10+)

RNG 1 12 TRIM (JOYX,10-) TRIM (JOYX,10+)

 

Trimming the x and y axis center with a rotary button.

[John_Banks]

Right Jaegermeister! It is an available resource, but i still remember all these discussions about trim on a slider or rotary at the old UBI zoo. Do you remember that guy called "Raybanjockey"? He got alot of bashing for that. :D

Edited November 5, 2014 by John_Banks

[dburne]

I tell ya what I did on my Warthog, and this was before trim was implemented in BOS for the Russian planes.

 

I programmed with a script, for my Hat1 to be trim, with the paddle switch as the modifier. I also programmed it as a hold , so I can either press the hat button in either direction momentarily for incremental changes, or hold it for a more pronounced change then let go. I also set the increments to about 10 degrees.

 

I use it for both pitch and yaw trimming, seems to work well for me. I do not use the in game trimming function.

[Jaegermeister]

Right Jaegermeister! It is an available resource, but i still remember all these discussions about trim on a slider or rotary at the old UBI zoo. Do you remember that guy called "Raybanjockey"? He got alot of bashing for that. :D

I remember RayBanJockey. He had his little unibrow avatar in a red track suit and used to always argue about everything, the definition of a troll.... What he did was when someone was on his tail, he would hit "Trim on a slider" and he out turned them. They fixed that bug fairly quickly, but people are still a bit sensitive about trim even 10 years later. My moniker was Bird_Brain back then.....

Edited November 8, 2014 by Jaegermeister

[Scott_Steiner]

[John_Banks]

Yes, that's him :D He was well known.  My moniker was VF-2 John Banks, just as it still is on SimHQ.  The old UBI Forum was quite some place. :D

[=CFC=Conky]

LOL - RayBan Jockey - that was it !!  Guess it was a lot longer ago than I had thought.  Getting old faster than I thought, too 

 

 

Ohhhhhhh noooooooo, not RayBan Jockey!!!!!! 

 

What's next, a 100 page thread on the Corsair wobbles? 

[GreyFox5]

Seems like a development miss or oversight - I can get my X-52 to show the -rotation and +rotation on a trim wheel on the throttle but the game doesn't seem to recognize the input. That's really frustrating since several joystick/throttles combos are setup with trim wheels.

[DD_Crash]

Its decisions like this, the unlocks and graphic settings that sell the game short. I fine that my enthusiasm is disappearing

[Jason_Bourne]

LOL, to bad i did not remember his username when i registered for this. I bet still after 10 years i could still set this board on fire just by saying "hi"

 

Talk about leaving a lasting legacy in the flight sim comunity:D

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

:lol:  The good old days with RBJ

 

But on a side note, of course we should be able to have a real trim wheel in our sim pit at home!

Edited December 16, 2014 by 332_Goblin

[JG7_RudeRaptor]

BoS = trim on axis only for Bf 109/Fw190 and trim on keys/buttons for all other planes (including for Bf 109 and Fw 190). Was told in the other forum that it is game design and will not change.

 

I am late on this topic, but it explains why BOS does not respond to my trim wheels. =)

[9./JG27golani79]

I am late on this topic, but it explains why BOS does not respond to my trim wheels. =)

 

It depends on the plane - if it was possible in the real plane to trim / adjust stabilizer with a wheel you can map it.

Edited March 8, 2017 by 9./JG27golani79

[Sokol1]

It depends on the plane - if it was possible in the real plane to trim / adjust stabilizer with a wheel you can map it.

 

No, the only plane that allow proper use of axis for trim is Bf 109 "Stabilizer Adjust". EDIT and Mc 202.

 

Yak-1 for example have a big wheel for adjust pitch trim in left side of cockpit, like Bf 109.

 

But one can't use your X-52/X-55/X-56 low resolution (256 "steeps") rotaries for control this adjust, altough the game controls GUI allow you set a axis for  - see in picture bellow - but the axis will be not proportional, work like a key pressed, and work only in one direction. Or, don't have practical use in game.

 

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Best solution for this "trim on axis" drama, remove the axis for Bf 109 "Stabilizer Adjust" - why this planes has this exclusivity?

And will prevents the "RayBan Jockey" stabilizer adjust on joystick Y axis exploit possible in BoX.   

 

If you know a trick for make this work for other planes, post there, X-5x's users will be happy.   

Edited March 8, 2017 by Sokol1

[LukeFF]

 

 

No, the only plane that allow proper use of axis for trim is Bf 109 "Stabilizer Adjust".

 

...and the MC.202. 

[9./JG27golani79]

 

 

Best solution for this "trim on axis" drama, remove the axis for Bf 109 "Stabilizer Adjust" - why this planes has this exclusivity?

 

Yeah, lets remove features .. why not add it to other planes with trim wheel?

[Sokol1]

Need more work. 

[Yogiflight]

The Ju52 also has elevator trim on axis.

[VBF-12_Stele]

i look at the p-40s trim controls in cockpit and wonder why i cant simulate this with my x-56 rotaries. theyre essentially the same thing.

[Sokol1]

Maybe because Saitek's secondary axis (throttle, rotaries...) is "famous" due their "spiking" potentiometers and some of this axis is set in low resolution - 8/9 bits, instead 10 bits of X, Y axis. So for prevent users dissatisfaction (jumping trim), their use is blocked. 

Edited April 3, 2017 by Sokol1

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

The problem is understandable..

But they just need to make Trims on rotaries slower than its ok..

There is almost no plane a pilot could go from -100% trim to +100% trim almost instantly like would happen if you put trims on sliders (like radiators are now)
this would make combat silly and many would abuse it.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

It won't happened like you saying because there is delay added. Yes you can move physical sliders to it limit instantly but in game it take realistic amount of time to reach the maximum position.

[Warpig]

Maybe because Saitek's secondary axis (throttle, rotaries...) is "famous" due their "spiking" potentiometers and some of this axis is set in low resolution - 8/9 bits, instead 10 bits of X, Y axis. So for prevent users dissatisfaction (jumping trim), their use is blocked. 

That's funny. That's exactly why I had to send in my X55.

[19//Moach]

it's befuddling that this isn't implemented - the solution is so simple it's embarrassing that they haven't figured it out by now:

 

 

make the simulated control travel towards the desired position set by the axis at a maximum fixed speed

 

 

here's free code (execute this on update cycle, replacing variables by whatever equivalent is there):

 

 

trimPos += max(trimMaxTravelRate, abs(trimInputAxis - trimPos)) * stepDeltaT * ((trimInputAxis - trimPos > 0)? 1 : -1);

 

 

there! one line does it! -- and that fixes both the exploit possibility AND allows us to use any axis for trim control.  everyone wins

 

 

can we have it in the game now, please?

Edited May 3, 2017 by 19//Moach

[CAPSLOCK_ON]

I have a Logitech G940 and can't use the rotaries on it for trimming.

[AstroCat]

I'm trying to setup my X52 and want to use the 2 rotaries for trim, is this still not working?