Bearcat Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 BoS review @ Royal Aeronautical Society I think it is fair and honest. Let's keep our opinions on BoS limited in this thread. State your case and move on. Short and sweet. By now we all know how most of us feel. Please keep your comments primarily directed to the review. 6
Yakdriver Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 and that is that. sums up what thousands of posts say here... in one Din A4 page over there.Long live IL-2.
LastRightsXIII Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 A good, honest and refreshing write up to read. Thanks for sharing.
Lusekofte Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 That is how I would describe it if I plunged into this sim today, without expectations , hope and 13 years with old IL2 . A honest description from someone without passion A good review yes, about the sim
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 S! I genuinely wonder, without any sarcasm or negativity intended, how much did he play the game before the review? Scratches the surface, a generic polite description of BoS at it's current state. A thorough review, not so much. Interesting to read the parts 1 & 2 of PC Pilot review at some point, and of course the local gaming magazine here, how it rates BoS.
indiaciki Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) I never flew the original IL2 series since I worked on macs. The sims I flew were fsx, ROF, some xplane and ROF and some RL GA (since childhood). My priotity isn't fighting, though it's fun. Compared to civilian sims its FM is superiour as ROF is. Edited October 31, 2014 by indiaciki
Yakdriver Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) S! I genuinely wonder, without any sarcasm or negativity intended, how much did he play the game before the review? Scratches the surface, a generic polite description of BoS at it's current state. A thorough review, not so much. Interesting to read the parts 1 & 2 of PC Pilot review at some point, and of course the local gaming magazine here, how it rates BoS. Hmm. i tooook a look around this RAS thing. it seems to be a place, a community focused on real life aviation in its diverse forms from UAV's, Bus Pilots, Choppers, Military and Civilian. Given that the RAS is centered on real life, and members often active in real life aviation, their need for "games" or "virtual aviation" is less strong. As a consequence, the review is short, accurate and to the point, aimed and shaped to make potential buyers and fliers curious - not offer 5 pages of intricate detail. If the RAS members were bombarded with missing FMB, no dedicated server and unlocks, people would lose interest. The article is meant to offer an insight, to tease and stay truthful. That is my impression of the article. Edited October 31, 2014 by Hawker_Typhoon 1
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) S! Understandable. And as a such his review is not bad. Still I prefer the profound and intricately detailed reviews, even they would be pages long Edited October 31, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
Trooper117 Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 A pretty fair and reasoned review I'd say... now, if the devs could only compromise a little, and the hue and cry die a death, then things would start to look better for the future. Let's have a couple more reviews like that!
Freycinet Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 S! I genuinely wonder, without any sarcasm or negativity intended, how much did he play the game before the review? Scratches the surface, a generic polite description of BoS at it's current state. A thorough review, not so much. Interesting to read the parts 1 & 2 of PC Pilot review at some point, and of course the local gaming magazine here, how it rates BoS. What happened is that the reviewer perhaps maintained his sense of perspective, as opposed to some of the people in these forums that have let emotions about various features run completely amok and have become incredibly caustic and negative. To me they have really lost perspective (or perhaps never had it...), as opposed to this guy. 7
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 S! Or he is not a flight simmer done it for like 20 years, seeing several iterations and generations of flight sims come and go? Some prevailing, some better forgotten. Even been part of them quite intensively by testing and contributing? Or maybe seeing flight sims as an extension to his/hers work within aviation? Yes, they tend to lose their perspective
Dakpilot Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 One glaring error "The sim can be configured to two main difficulty levels - ‘Normal’ (icons, map on, automatic engine management) and ‘Expert’ (all icons and helpers off) for the campaign or customised for quick missions or online. One drawback here that the campaign (see below) is playable only at either Normal or Expert - denying players to mix and match realism settings (for example, icons off, CEM on, but external views on to capture stunning screenshots)" One of the problems with only having Expert and Normal is that the extra realism options (CEM, H ,I etc.) buried in the settings of Normal can be easily overlooked, as by this reviewer and many newcomers to the game Part of the problem of having no manual or centralised info/instructions Cheers Dakpilot 1
avlSteve Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 +1 Bearcat, I agree. Thanks for sharing this.
pilotpierre Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 A very fair review indeed. I hope a lot of people who read the metacritic bad reviews read it.
carts Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 Good review,its refreshing to see an "outsiders" perspective (that being someone who hasn't invested either financially or emotively) in the game.
=LD=Hethwill Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 Very sober review outside the normal gamer caves where reviews can be found. Thanks.
Bearcat Posted October 31, 2014 Author Posted October 31, 2014 This was the part that stuck out to me the most ... For flight simmers facing lean times these days, the reboot of Il-2 is extremely welcome. It runs smooth, the presentation is first-class and the flying and combat is highly credible. The graphics are can only be described as stunning, and make the player shiver at times looking down over the winter battlefield.While the ’unlock to get extra aircraft mods’ campaign structure may not be everyone’s cup of tea, it may be that in time the developers (and third party mission designers) will fill in the gaps with more historical content in the future. Indeed, if Il-2 BoS enjoys the some of the success of the orginal Sturmovik, it is likely that more aircraft and potentially new theatres will be added in the future - a mouthwatering thought for any virtual ace. While its narrow aircraft selection and limited campaign cannot compare with the hundreds available for the now long-in-the-tooth and heavily modded original Il-2, Il-2 BoS looks set to soar to new heights as the first instalment of a worthy successor to its name. A must buy for any flight simulator or WW2 aviation fan. 3
AG-51RazorRazer Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 After messing around with this sim for the last several weeks, I must say that I find it very impressive indeed. More than any other flight sim I have ever flown, BoS gives me a feeling of immersion that is unsurpassed. The graphics are eye popping to say the least. Their attention to detail in every aspect is unbelievable. I am not disappointed with this purchase. Having said that, I will temper it with a few observations that are less than complimentary. The two biggest complaints I have are the arcadish use of locked features and the total absence of a mission builder. Now, the mission builder is in the works if you want to believe Bearcat, one of the moderators on theis forum, but this system of unlocks is totally incomprehensible to me. I can see no reason for it whatsoever. It would make more sense to me if these features were just for sale and you paid X number of dollars per skin, gun, bullets or bombs. But forcing everyone to fly a campaign offline in order to unlock certain weapons or skins for each airplane just flat pisses me off! I do not have the time, much less the inclination, to grind my way through an offline campaign for every type a/c I want extra features for. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off!As an avid, if not rabid, fan of IL-2 since it appeared as a demo, I have come to appreciate certain aspects of that game that Oleg obviously put a lot of thought and effort into, which contributed to making it so enduring and such a classic within this very small niche market we represent. He built in a system whereby individuals could share their combat flight experience in many different ways. You could go on a DF server or join a coop mission and fly with other humans in addition to possibly other AI, depending on the mission builder's whims. You could host either one of those mission types as well or you could fly several different types of offline missions via the Quick Mission Builder or Single Player missions already built or any one of several different campaigns.. But the biggest jewel in the IL-2 crown, as far as I'm concerned, is the Full Mission Builder. That is what has kept my attention for so long. As the mission designer/builder, I can create any kind of environment I choose. I can make a simple mission just for myself to test some type of a/c or weapon system. I can make a training mission tailored to myself or my squad to try to get the most out of the experience. I can build historic recreations of famous battles or wild assed what if scenarios. My imagination is just about the only limitation. That is what is sorely missing from this sim and until they produce some kind of mission editor/builder AND a way to host missions for my squad and others, I will remain a lurker on the fringe of this game.Don't misunderstand me, I am committed to making the move to BoS, but until I have a mission builder and a way to host it, I will not abandon IL-2 1946. That's just too much to give up and is not out weighed by the graphics or feel of this new game. I look forward to watching for progress in this game. 4
Gambit21 Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 Sound, well reasoned perspective - and sane. A welcome thread indeed. Thanks Bearcat
chris455 Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 Thanks Bear, You always have had a knack for doing things right, posting this here was a real shot in the arm for our new "favorite sim". I concur with the review and hope many people read it- good post. 2
Rjel Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 Thanks Bear, You always have had a knack for doing things right, posting this here was a real shot in the arm for our new "favorite sim". I concur with the review and hope many people read it- good post. +1.... and I hate +1'ing anything. Good job Bearcat. Thanks for being the "sensible" influence you always seem to be.
SYN_Mike77 Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 Razer: If you want practice with the FMB get RoF and start playing around with it!
Juri_JS Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 After reading the first comments on the RAS page I really hope that people keep in mind that it isn't a gaming side. An endless discussions how good/bad BoS is on the website of the Royal Aeronautical Society would be extremely embarrassing. 1
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 That's a reasonably fair review. All you can really hope for. But, one review does not a success make. I liked how he did stay nice and balanced when touching on the issue of unlocks, though.
DD_bongodriver Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 When did the RAS start reviewing computer games? 1
Yakdriver Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 dunno, but if this is their first one, then that fact has its own weight 2
[TWB]dillon_biz Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 While the review of the gameplay itself is sound, it fails to touch upon the problems the game is experiencing now.
Bearcat Posted November 1, 2014 Author Posted November 1, 2014 It does touch on them. It just doesn't focus on them as a personal affront. Nor should it. This sim is an ongoing work in progress and it will be throughout it's life hopefully. 1
pilotpierre Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 A very fair review indeed. I hope a lot of people who read the metacritic bad reviews read it. Well thats interesting, not only has the above mentioned post been removed from metacritic, so has my original review.
Bearcat Posted November 1, 2014 Author Posted November 1, 2014 One can only hope, but it isn't looking promising considering the levels of douchebaggery the powers that be have stooped to. No more of that in this thread from you or anyone else. 3
1./KG4_Blackwolf Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) BC I was going quote him but I won't. I'll just say dude,its a fair review of the game without the emotions or politics, no need to bust on the devs in their own home. We all may not like some of the things with this game but lets try to stay positive. I knew I would not do any unlocks and was sure I'd put the game up but I changed my mind and gave it a chance. I don't like SP or unlocks but at the core this is a very good game. Its just getting started so I'm sure some things will change as we go on. Edited November 1, 2014 by Blackwolf
Gambit21 Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 dunno, but if this is their first one, then that fact has its own weight Indeed
DD_bongodriver Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 dunno, but if this is their first one, then that fact has its own weight Oh it does indeed.
EAFFlashheart602 Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 RAeS does review other sims - eg DCS A-10C http://aerosociety.com/News/Insight-Blog/1602/DCS-A10C-Warthog-review Plus a Flight Sims in 2014 piece - with a mention of Il-2 BoS, CLoD, X-Plane & more... http://aerosociety.com/News/Insight-Blog/1783/Flight-sims-in-2014
EAF19_Charlie Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 A fair and honest review IMO. I hope the devs enjoyed reading it to.
DD_bongodriver Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 Well roger me silly, when I tried the keyword links absolutely booger all else showed up. RAeS does review other sims - eg DCS A-10Chttp://aerosociety.com/News/Insight-Blog/1602/DCS-A10C-Warthog-reviewPlus a Flight Sims in 2014 piece - with a mention of Il-2 BoS, CLoD, X-Plane & more...http://aerosociety.com/News/Insight-Blog/1783/Flight-sims-in-2014
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