The community devours its own (?) Some thoughts.

[sallee]

Again, again and again:

There was NO animosity/drama/call it what you like, before devs implemented and forced those arcade grinding/unlocks.

Ahem...cough...coughFW190bar...cough cough...ahem....

[SharpeXB]

Ahem...cough...coughFW190bar...cough cough...ahem....

Rubber banding ... Cough. Convergence... Cough.

[TheBlackPenguin]

The ones trashing this sim will look for and find anything it seems to "justify" giving it a low score, 0 or thereabouts.

 

Sad thing is, most of the 0 scores I've read, while they're dealing with "unlocks" always mention another "competitors" software, I put that in quotes because the modern up to date version has a long way to go before its a WwII sim, the other two or either old and need a lot of mods to get going, or just needs mods which aren't always easy to do (ease as in a few minutes, it can take hours...).

[Mac_Messer]

Guys,

 

i understand the critics, my biggest question was why someone would deal damage to a product that he or she normally would support. i'm not talking about legitimate criticism or a sceptical score, but a 0 or 1 rating just is not objective or in any way constructive, it's just aimed at destruction and there is some of it.

 

This forum has all major discussions about flaws etc behind itself for now, devs have to deal with that now, there's no need to discuss that any further.

As the game was early access, most of those who already gave their ratings probably belong to the founder group. They`ve spent some money, they feel the product is not up to that amount. So the ratings are mostly a direct result of their feelings more than an actual game. Look at it this way - if a product is not good for you, you aren`t going to care if it is good for anyone else, because ultimately you stop using it.

 

The problem I have with some of this is that some folks are trashing the entire sim supposedly because of the unlocks. This makes no sense to me because for the most part aside from some other things like the lack of an ME - which we know will be forthcoming - and some other small thinsg the sim itself is a good product but that is not what is being said.

Well you buy a 100$ game, you want to fly your Focke Wulf but you can`t cuz you have to unlock it first, through god knows how many hours of playing an sp you do not want to play. Not cool.

 

But Im personally having a blast with it, if I didnt I wouldnt play it, quite simple you would think?

Please by all means go to metacritic and write a good game review,explaining what you like, whatnot and why you`re having a blast with it. I`m sure it means a lot more than posting a two paragraph review of 10 about nothing.

[Mac_Messer]

Anyway:

That being said, for some reason people believe that site. It's a big deal for some users as people like simple "black/white" things like numbers. Either it's in a number category you deem acceptable or not, no need to think or look for infos.

Only numbers? Really? I see 131 user reviews. Both negative and positive share the same points. Many of the review parts are the same, people frequently wrote about them.  You pick 60 longest revies - 30 positive, 30 negative. Enough to verify what the game is currently.

Metacritic - Ones that base his buy - or not buy - decision be reading half dozen of lines "reviews" - most cleared biased at some extreme - or only look at the final score, is not very smart and deserved by fooled.

Nah, reading reviews is ok. You just need to do it in a smart way and no hurt will come to you.

[SharpeXB]

Well you buy a 100$ game, you want to fly your Focke Wulf but you can`t cuz you have to unlock it first, through god knows how many hours of playing an sp you do not want to play. Not cool.

That's not true. You can use the extra planes you've bought without unlocking them.

[GP*]

As it stands right now, I would rate the game somewhere between 7 and 8 myself.  I love the sim, but it is missing components and I hate the unlock system.

 

This

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Unfortunately there is a vocal minority in this community with an axe to grind who feel it's to their benefit to wreck this hobby for everyone.

If you changed the words, "this hobby," to "this sim," I'd support the statement 100%.

[SharpeXB]

If you changed the words, "this hobby," to "this sim," I'd support the statement 100%.

Right now this sim IS "the hobby". There aren't any other good, current, supported WWII sims out there.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

While it is the only sim I, and many others, am flying, it is hardly the only one out there. Plenty of people flying other WWII titles both old and new. I firmly believe BOS is the best offering and is very good overall. Making overly dramatic statements, however, damages credibility. I hate to agree with Falke as I am usually diametrically opposed to his opinions but he is right on this particular point.

[SharpeXB]

While it is the only sim I, and many others, am flying, it is hardly the only one out there. Plenty of people flying other WWII titles both old and new. I firmly believe BOS is the best offering and is very good overall. Making overly dramatic statements, however, damages credibility. I hate to agree with Falke as I am usually diametrically opposed to his opinions but he is right on this particular point.

It's not dramatic it's just true. The other WWII air combat sims in the market are either way past their natural life span or kept alive through modding or are study sims and not really the same genre.

To attract new players to actual flight sim games requires a current, good product. Not a holdover from the dark ages.

Battle of Stalingrad is the only current, supported, WWII combat flight sim.

So when people are aggressively negative. Yes they are destroying the hobby. BoS is the best product like this to be released in almost a decade.

[Bearcat]

Well you buy a 100$ game, you want to fly your Focke Wulf but you can`t cuz you have to unlock it first, through god knows how many hours of playing an sp you do not want to play. Not cool.

 

 

That's not true. You can use the extra planes you've bought without unlocking them.

 

+1 .. It is also a textbook example of some of the misinformation being tossed around as fact..

 

 

Right now this sim IS "the hobby". There aren't any other good, current, supported WWII sims out there.

 

 

While it is the only sim I, and many others, am flying, it is hardly the only one out there. Plenty of people flying other WWII titles both old and new. I firmly believe BOS is the best offering and is very good overall. Making overly dramatic statements, however, damages credibility. I hate to agree with Falke as I am usually diametrically opposed to his opinions but he is right on this particular point.

 

The operative idea with what Sharpe is saying is.. BoS is the only dedicated WWII sim with full developer support available. DCS at this juncture is a modern era sim with WWII content. CoD has no developer support. Not to take away from what TF is doing at all but I don't care how good they are.. a team of part time volunteer modders with day jobs and families cannot do what a paid staff of equally dedicated developers can do whoose job it is  is to create a sim. IL2 is very long in the tooth. It will probably still be flying 5 years from now but it is the past. We will probably never see it's like again.

 

It's not dramatic it's just true. The other WWII air combat sims in the market are either way past their natural life span or kept alive through modding or are study sims and not really the same genre.

To attract new players to actual flight sim games requires a current, good product. Not a holdover from the dark ages.Battle of Stalingrad is the only current, supported, WWII combat flight sim. So when people are aggressively negative. Yes they are destroying the hobby. BoS is the best product like this to be released in almost a decade.

 

Of course to some that will be debatable.. but what is not debatable at all is that it is the best release of a product like this in over a decade.. Not to jump on CoD because in reality it is the only other dedicated WWII sim released over the last 10 years that can satisfy the stringent demands of the hardcore sim crown and is scalable enough to appeal to a less demanding crowd as well. Quiet as it is kept.. CoD is also very enjoyable on easier settings.. it is not just for hardcore flyers. The release of CoD however was nowhere near as smooth as this one in terms of overall playability upon release goes.  Again not to detract from CoD at all... BoS and CoD are the only two dedicated WWII sims that can do that... appeal to such a broad range of simmers. The main "issues" associated with BoS are implementation related and feature related.. but the overall build of BoS is stable and again.. it is the only dedicated WWII sim on the market that has full developer support. Then.. when you consider the overall products associated with WWII aerial combat period .. that have been released and/or abandoned over the last decade and juxtapose that with what was going on 10-15 years ago ... it becomes even more apparent, unless one is just blind or in denial .. that as simmers.. particularly us hardcore simmers, that we as a block just cannot afford the divisive rancor that we .. as a block have been experiencing over the past decade.

 

We can't afford it... This hobby of ours cannot afford it..

 

People can like what they like and all that is fine.. but if something comes along that has the potential that BoS does.. and we say we are dedicated to this genre.. then we need to get with the program. I am not saying you have to jump on board and cheer BoS or give it unwarranted praise.. but don't tear it down either. If you don't want to buy it then don't.. If you are unhappy with something about one particular product.. say in this case for some BoS.. or some feature about a product .. say in this case again for some the unlocks (I don't see the lack of a FMB as a real problem because it has been stated that there will eventually be one .. same with the skins.. so I see those issues more as temporary setbacks that will eventually be resolved ) just state your case and let it go until it either gets fixed or not and adjust the behavior accordingly. All this going across multiple boards saying don't buy this it's garbage.. buy this... only hurts the genre. Every time you buy a piece of entertainment software you take a chance.. if you weigh the cost and take that chance, be prepared to not be fully satisfied. I took a chance with DCS WWII. I knew it was a chance and I weighed the cost. If ED did not pick up the mess I'd be out a large sum of money (almost as much as I spenty on BoS) with nothing.. and as it is now so far all I have is a  FW190 for my investment. I am not happy but I am not going to go across multiple forums talking about how ED lied and how I got ripped off..  Or slagging Ilya. I am going to wait it out and see what happens.  People enjoyed flying the 190s in IL2 regardless to the bar... and people can enjoy flying BoS regardless to the things that we don't like. Or we can chose to not fly it at all. We don't need to be going at each other like we do and we don't need to be having these stupid back and forth things... and we certainly don't need to be driving people away from the genre.

 

All of us need to sit back and think not so much of which thing we like .. but that thing we like because if we drive people away from supporting this genre it won't matter which thing we like or don't like .. or why... because that thing we like will be dead.  We will all be flying outdated "sims" or newly released "games" because what it takes to make a good sim is not easy. If it was easy everyone would be doing it.

[johncage]

 

 

i understand the critics, my biggest question was why someone would deal damage to a product that he or she normally would support. i'm not talking about legitimate criticism or a sceptical score, but a 0 or 1 rating just is not objective or in any way constructive, it's just aimed at destruction and there is some of it.

 

to me, it's easy. these are the people who are afraid that il2 battle of stalingrad will destroy the status quo as it's poised to do. doesn't really matter how much content there is, if you don't have something like multi core support, you're going to lose customers. end of story. those people are afraid of this eventuality. fear begets hate.

[=LD=Hethwill]

Damn Bearcat, +1.

[JG300_Fried]

That's not true. You can use the extra planes you've bought without unlocking them.

And what if another developer, for example, decided to release quite  an expansive module  (somehow same thing as an extra plane) with unlocks?

 

Let's say " You must unlock Afterburner before take-off" or " you can't go to combat with full weaponry at first, earn your gun, then your IR missile....." or " Your first radar is of an export version"

 

Do you think you will have the same interest? Given that you are quite accustomed to fly both virtual and IRL and that you have no time to loose to "learn" or unlocks things.

 

I really regret to have paid a premium  early access and be obliged (and I will  NOT!!!) to "unlocks" features of planes in a flightsim. I really thought we were to be safe from this. 

Edited October 28, 2014 by Fried300

[SharpeXB]

And what if another developer, for example, decided to release quite an expansive module (somehow same thing as an extra plane) with unlocks?

 

Let's say " You must unlock Afterburner before take-off" or " you can't go to combat with full weaponry at first, earn your gun, then your IR missile....." or " Your first radar is of an export version"

 

Do you think you will have the same interest? Given that you are quite accustomed to fly both virtual and IRL and that you have no time to loose to "learn" or unlocks things.

 

I really regret to have paid a premium early access and be obliged (and I will NOT!!!) to "unlocks" features of planes in a flightsim. I really thought we were to be safe from this.

In the time it took you to post that negative rant you could have unlocked something! :-P Edited October 28, 2014 by SharpeXB

[Brano]

And what if another developer, for example, decided to release quite  an expansive module  (somehow same thing as an extra plane) with unlocks?

 

Let's say " You must unlock Afterburner before take-off" or " you can't go to combat with full weaponry at first, earn your gun, then your IR missile....." or " Your first radar is of an export version"

 

Do you think you will have the same interest? Given that you are quite accustomed to fly both virtual and IRL and that you have no time to loose to "learn" or unlocks things.

 

I really regret to have paid a premium  early access and be obliged (and I will  NOT!!!) to "unlocks" features of planes in a flightsim. I really thought we were to be safe from this. 

Your arguments about " You must unlock Afterburner before take-off"  etc. are pretty derailed.You don't have to unlock boost on La5.You don't have to unlock integral parts of any aircraft.

[SharpeXB]

Your arguments about " You must unlock Afterburner before take-off" etc. are pretty derailed.You don't have to unlock boost on La5.You don't have to unlock integral parts of any aircraft.

It sounds like many complainers have not even tried the campaign. You win unlocks quite fast. It's not a problem. It's actually quite fun.

[Bearcat]

And what if another developer, for example, decided to release quite  an expansive module  (somehow same thing as an extra plane) with unlocks?

 

Let's say " You must unlock Afterburner before take-off" or " you can't go to combat with full weaponry at first, earn your gun, then your IR missile....." or " Your first radar is of an export version"

 

Do you think you will have the same interest? Given that you are quite accustomed to fly both virtual and IRL and that you have no time to loose to "learn" or unlocks things.

 

I really regret to have paid a premium  early access and be obliged (and I will  NOT!!!) to "unlocks" features of planes in a flightsim. I really thought we were to be safe from this. 

 

 

First of all we are not talking about "another developer" ... or "what if" and that kind of speculation is totally meaningless... Right now 1CGS is the only developer making a dedicated WWII sim that can meet the needs of a hardcore or softcore crown. Secondly .. no developer would come out with a sim where you had to unlock after burners.. That's like having to unlock WEP. 

 

What if chickens had lips .. maybe we could train one to play a trumpet..

 

Most of the people complaining the loudest and storming away from the sim have not even tried the campaign. From all accounts I have read... they all seem to range from kinda boring to quite nice actually.. but no one has said that after doing the campaign they wanted to ditch the sim.. and go do something else.. Not a one.. In fact..from what I see they all seem to get even more engaged.. so go figure. If the sim wa so bad or the campaign was so bad you would think that most would quit mid way through it.. Some did.. but not most... and you know good and well that anyone who went through it and thought it sucked and wanted to walk away from the sim afterward would post it here.. they'd post it somewhere guaranteed. Bit I don;t see too much of that at all.. hardly any. So that tells me something too.