IL-4 Bomber, this guy created one, DEV's take a look

[SOLIDKREATE]

 

 

 

 

SOURCE:   https://www.elance.com/samples/il-il2-battle-stalingrad-3d-modelling-texturing/120270112/

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

I think this is Psy06, who also did the I-16 model. He also did the 109k but no longer is associated with DCS apparently. Certainly has talent to burn!

[Juri_JS]

The text of the picture on the linked page says 'IL-4 for Il2: Battle of Stalingrad'. So I guess the developers already have this model.

[Elbows]

Looks good.  I'd like to see a proper Russian bomber for sure, and I'd equally like to see a twin engine fighter/bomber for the Germans (Me-110 etc.).  What is the Pe-2 classified as?

 

It's sort of a light bomber...dive bomber...fighter bomber?  How were they predominantly used?  Either way - hoping to see more content in the future.  My buddy and I have taken to predominantly flying bombers and dive bombers in MP*.

 

*Yes, some of your kills were courtesy of me - you're welcome.

[Jason_Williams]

We know all about this plane and it's creator. It's not coming to BOS. Sorry guys.

 

Jason

[3instein]

We know all about this plane and it's creator. It's not coming to BOS. Sorry guys.

 

Jason

Thanks for the reply Jason but, do you mean this particular model from this creator, or the plane itself in BoS?

 

Mick.

[Finkeren]

We know all about this plane and it's creator. It's not coming to BOS. Sorry guys.

 

Jason

That's too bad It would've been a great equivalent to the He 111. Can you shed a bit of light on the reasons? Was it too hard to get reliable data? Are you anticipating too little interest in the plane? Or do you just have a list of other things you wanted to do, where the IL-4 just doesn't fit in (yet)?

[Feathered_IV]

3D modellers can be real princesses. I suspect it may be along those lines.

[IRRE_Belmont]

We know all about this plane and it's creator. It's not coming to BOS. Sorry guys.

 

Jason

 

Yeah, i'm sure modelling planes that weren't used on stalingrad front is wayyy more important  

This is a troll btw, dont take this seriously

Edited October 27, 2014 by SYN_BelmontFR

[Brano]

Pe2 was redesigned for light bomber/dive bomber cathegory from heavy fighter.Its ability to do divebombing with full loadout from internal bombay are severly hampered by its unavailability.You can divebomb only with external bombracks.

Only proper divebomber in times of Barbarossa was upgrade of SB renamed Ar-2.It was able to do divebombing from bombay utilizing his full bombload potential.It was another sad story of soviet aviation,when this promising type has been pushed out of serial production by comrade Yakovlev,in favour of his poorly designed Yak-4.Luckily for VVS someone up ther in politbureau had enough sense to cancell this enterprise.

IL4 is only medium bomber available for VVS untill arrival of Tu2 later in 1944.It is a must,no discussion.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Pe2 was redesigned for light bomber/dive bomber cathegory from heavy fighter.Its ability to do divebombing with full loadout from internal bombay are severly hampered by its unavailability.You can divebomb only with external bombracks.

Only proper divebomber in times of Barbarossa was upgrade of SB renamed Ar-2.It was able to do divebombing from bombay utilizing his full bombload potential.It was another sad story of soviet aviation,when this promising type has been pushed out of serial production by comrade Yakovlev,in favour of his poorly designed Yak-4.Luckily for VVS someone up ther in politbureau had enough sense to cancell this enterprise.

IL4 is only medium bomber available for VVS untill arrival of Tu2 later in 1944.It is a must,no discussion.

 

 

Do you know how common they were, especially during the battle of Stalingrad? Sovjet bombers from WW2 are something of a gap in my knowledge.

 

 

That's a beautiful model. If one was offered for purchase I would pick it up in a second.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Silas

[Y-29.Silky]

That's too bad It would've been a great equivalent to the He 111. Can you shed a bit of light on the reasons?

I don't think it was used in the battle, they were used for long range bombings, which they never needed. Not as used as much as the Li-2 for an example.

[Brano]

Unfortunately I do not have any detailed info about units.I don´t say that it is plane for Stalingrad battle.It is important for eastern front in general.For future expansions.

[Y-29.Silky]

Unfortunately I do not have any detailed info about units.I don´t say that it is plane for Stalingrad battle.It is important for eastern front in general.For future expansions.

For future expansions sure, but they need to focus on the current, it was just released last week.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Silky

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Even FiAF used those planes along with SB-2's and Pe-2's.

[Finkeren]

The IL-4 was produced in quite large numbers (over 5000 and that's not counting the 1500 DB-3s) and were active on all fronts from mid-42. Were any present at Stalingrad? I honestly don't know, I have no data on it, but I'd be really surprised if it wasn't.

 

While the IL-4 did have very long range, it was not used solely for long range strategic missions (though they did do raids on Berlin occasionally) but as a tactical medium bomber as well.

 

I think it would fit really well in BoS, if not on the Stalingrad map, then on the Velikiye Luki map.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Indeed. A mainstay of VVS bomber force before newer types came to service, like Tu-2.

Edited October 27, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker

[No601_Prangster]

Even if they wanted the IL-4 in BoS the 3D model in those screens shots represents only 10% of the work required to finish a model for use in game. You would need to create multiply LOD models, shadow models, collision models and damage models.

 

And when you've done all that you would still need to create the animations, program the flight model, damage and weapons, probably representing 10x the hours that the 3D modelling took. So what you see is actually only 1% of the work it would take to get the aircraft in to game.

[Finkeren]

Even if they wanted the IL-4 in BoS the 3D model in those screens shots represents only 10% of the work required to finish a model for use in game. You would need to create multiply LOD models, shadow models, collision models and damage models.

 

And when you've done all that you would still need to create the animations, program the flight model, damage and weapons, probably representing 10x the hours that the 3D modelling took. So what you see is actually only 1% of the work it would take to get the aircraft in to game.

Of course. I don't think anyone's going to argue that. Still it would've been a good plane for the devs to consider. Very likely they solved a lot of basic problems with multicrew AC doing the He 111, experience that could be put to good use on the IL-4.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

There has even been a variant equipped with torpedoes and heavy rockets. Not too familiar with this one though i agree the IL-4 would be great to have and perfectly fit the medium bomber gap for the VVS.

 

Maybe in a later addon for a theatre far far away...

[Y-29.Silky]

Everyone is forgetting how much action the Li-2 saw over Stalingrad :/ .. More than the IL-4, I don't see one IL-4 victory by any German ace over Stalingrad, at least one would have been shot down..

[Brano]

The IL-4 was produced in quite large numbers (over 5000 and that's not counting the 1500 DB-3s) and were active on all fronts from mid-42. Were any present at Stalingrad? I honestly don't know, I have no data on it, but I'd be really surprised if it wasn't.

They were active since 22.6.1941.Every Special military district (turned to Front after Barbarossa begun) had Bomber division(s) in their subordination.They were used intensively in role of tactical medium bombers against advancing Panzerkorps of Guderian and Hoth till late july and then "relocated" to rear as strategic reserve of STAVKA.Also used by Baltic Fleet Air Army and Black See Air Army in role of torpedo bombers.

[Elbows]

Shame to see it dismissed so quickly, and I hope that's purely a reference to this particular model/sculptor.  I understand a large part of the community is fully interested in just "the battle of Stalingrad".  Personally I have always ignored the title and simply want as comprehensive as possible - an Eastern front flight sim.  I couldn't care less about what flew during the actual battle.

 

It's for this reason I don't care about the presence of the FW-190.  So it wasn't at Stalingrad...okay.  There were (I'm sure) plenty theaters where all of these planes were present, over Russia.  Same reason I'm happy to see Hungarian and Romanian paint schemes for the German aircraft.  I'm plenty fine assuming I'm flying over some other part of Russia, 6 months prior or 6 months later...or 1000 miles from Stalingrad etc.  Because of this I'd like to see two quality air forces available.  To me that means bombers for each, twin engine attack planes for both, transport planes for both - even small scout planes for both (I'd love to try to fly a little Henschel or Storch around and do reconnaissance for bomber flights (thought his is unrealistic, it would work in MP).

 

So I hope this common bomber is re-considered (or something similar).  As with most flight sims, I was expecting several years of DLC etc.  I'd much rather see a fleshed out Russian campaign rather than random other theaters thrown into the mix.

[Jason_Williams]

Just because someone makes a pretty model doesn't mean it is ready to be put into the game. Still costs us A LOT of money and time to support even a model that is ready and then you have to negotiate with the modeler and that is not always easy. Plus who knows if this model even fits our current plans or our development schedule. I hate it when users just assume we just flippantly discard items for stupid reasons. Right now, we are focused on correcting bugs and improving performance and player experience with BOS. We are not currently looking for new models or the next project.

 

Jason