JG4_Sputnik Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Seems like the Digital Nature Engine is a ww1 fighter engine after all? I just tried it myself, full real, 5% fuel, no bombs. Han, any ideas? 1
von_Greiff Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Hahaha....all in all it drags me more and more bag to CoD
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) S! Right. Really not much to add. EDIT: Genuine videos about flaws are OK. If a trolling attempt then not even funny. Edited October 26, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
Leaf Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) It's been discussed before, the only way to achieve this is by checking 'simplified physics' in the options. EDIT: Anyone who's ever flown the 11 in-game should know that flying like that is not possible. Edited October 26, 2014 by 19te.Leaf
=LD=dhyran Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 simply a stupid way to discredit the game! its under the normal conditions not possible!
Potenz Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) nope sadly it is not with simplified physics, it is in expert mode there's another thread with the 109 doing the same thing, it looks like the weight is wrong and AC has no weight at all Han could you or Zak tell us if there's a plan to fix this issue??? ps: here is the other thread. http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12078-whats-bf-109-fm/ Edited October 26, 2014 by GOAPotenz
Sokol1 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Is because the player don't have XP sufficient for level up, the FM still in level 1. Leaf, Ty this in EXPERT with 10% fuel, I bet that you can. Like I did now...
BlackDevil Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Hi Sputnik, can you do some flight tests, and specify, what you think is wrong with the FM ? Roll rate, max AoA, etc. Please proof it with data. Otherwise you are just trolling.
JG4_Sputnik Posted October 26, 2014 Author Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) It's been discussed before, the only way to achieve this is by checking 'simplified physics' in the options. EDIT: Anyone who's ever flown the 11 in-game should know that flying like that is not possible. As I said in the original post, I tried it myself, full real, 5% fuel, no bombs. It's not about discrediting a game, it's about wanting to know whats going on, having bought quote "Realistic sounds and physics, detailed aircraft systems modeling, advanced aerodynamics and state-of-the-art flight modeling gives you a real sensation of flight"so as a customer, I would like to know why this isn't being delivered (yet). The world doesn't end, I know, just some infos would be appreaciated. Edited October 26, 2014 by JG4_Sputnik
JG4_Sputnik Posted October 26, 2014 Author Posted October 26, 2014 Hi Sputnik, can you do some flight tests, and specify, what you think is wrong with the FM ? Roll rate, max AoA, etc. Please proof it with data. Otherwise you are just trolling. Well, what do I think is wrong with the FM is being displayed in the video I've posted. I'm no expert on the matter, but as the title says I'd like to know how something like this was possible. I was under the impression that it is not possible to do a straight loop just after the start in a Heinkel 111 ww2 warplane, now if the devs say that this is correct and fine, well then I we have to believe them. But maybe they also say it is wrong and it will be fixed. I tend to not troll whatsoever, so please don't get me wrong, I'm just very into flying bombers but this kind of plane behavior lessens my interest in the product.
avlSteve Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Well there's no way anyone in the world can do that with expert settings on the machine that I'm typing on, so I guess it's a bug and should be reported to support.
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) S! Well, had to see myself. He111H-6, 10% fuel, no payload. Took off from runway, gear and flaps up and on with the looping. *drumrolls* Successfully and with ease! Not even trying to stall. Yes, we are told having no knowledge on anything related to aircraft and their respective performances or handling qualities and then this? Seriously, what else? Devs have the tools, it's their code and FM. Could not see this in internal testing and evaluation or did not expect people to do things like this? Flight simmers do anything imaginable in the sims they play, just for the fun of it and to see the limits. I am highly amused. EDIT: EXPERT mode, ONLY Spectators(external views) enabled. Rest not ticked. Edited October 26, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
avlSteve Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 S! Well, had to see myself. He111H-6, 10% fuel, no payload. Took off from runway, gear and flaps up and on with the looping. *drumrolls* Successfully and with ease! Not even trying to stall. Yes, we are told having no knowledge on anything related to aircraft and their respective performances or handling qualities and then this? Seriously, what else? Devs have the tools, it's their code and FM. Could not see this in internal testing and evaluation or did not expect people to do things like this? Flight simmers do anything imaginable in the sims they play, just for the fun of it and to see the limits. I am highly amused. EDIT: EXPERT mode, ONLY Spectators(external views) enabled. Rest not ticked. Yeah, something wrong then... do you see a difference between having simplified physics on or off? Because the aircraft doesn't handle like that at all on expert settings. You can roll to the right or left and crash over the landing threshold, but you're not pulling a roll and a loop right after takeoff.
Marjak Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Well, what do I think is wrong with the FM is being displayed in the video I've posted. I'm no expert on the matter, but as the title says I'd like to know how something like this was possible. I was under the impression that it is not possible to do a straight loop just after the start in a Heinkel 111 ww2 warplane, now if the devs say that this is correct and fine, well then I we have to believe them. It`s possibly when those two Jumo`s 211 would have slightly more power then the expected 1350 PS or when the plane weights some 10 tons less!!! Edited October 26, 2014 by Marjak
GrieverGriever_XIV Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 It looks like the He 111 would make a great dog fighter
7.GShAP/Silas Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) I thought for sure that that's impossible. I loaded up a quick mission on the runway, in expert with the He-111, 10% fuel and no bombs, fully prepared to have any aerobatics to fail spectacularly. And then I pulled off something not too terribly different from the video. I don't know how much of what I did should be possible, but it was surprising to say the least. Edited October 26, 2014 by Silas
BlackDevil Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Sorry, but you didn't tell, what you think is wrong. Just telling a loop after take off is not possible is too weak. An empty He111 is well overpowered. If you have a good enough entry speed you can fly Loop without loosing altitude. So please specify, where the FM seems to be wrong. Did you know, an A310 did fly three hammerheads in a row, without loosing altitude, with passengers on board ? As long as the excess power is enough and it can stand the g, it will work - however it is not recommended in the books ;-) 1
VRPilot Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 or actual flight physics are far more complicated than you all think and FMs are tuned to "normal" use and the calculations fail at the lower extremes. how about that?
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) S! Selecting external views does not turn off advanced physics, does it? The external views were the only thing that as selected thus full FM etc. He111H-6 doing aerobatic moves, please. Possible? Maybe. But would require more altitude and speed to even try that and even then highly doubtfull. And I had not much speed, gear up after take off and stick to the belly. Loopy loop time! Whatever is bugged in the FM would warrant a full check to see what is causing this. Edited October 26, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
-=PHX=-Satch Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I think we need some words of devs, quickly as possible...
BlackDevil Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Check the acceleration. Do some math and proof it is wrong. Check the speed vs altitude energy conversion. Do some math, and proof it is wrong. PS: We don't need any word of the devs, before there is any substantial proof of something is wrong. Edited October 26, 2014 by BlackDevil
II./JG77_Manu* Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I have literally no idea, if this plane could have done this stuff in those circumstances or not. But if you look at the specs. The empty weight of the He111 H-16 is 7650kg, that's more then 1000kg less then a fully equipped P47 Thunderbolt. In addition it has 2700PS, that's 200 more then the Thunderbolt. So the Power/Weight Ratio is better then the Thunderbolts. It has way bigger wings, less wingload then fighters, so a lot less stall speed. Under all these circumstances, i wouldn't foreclose, that those stuff would have been possible IRL. 2
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) S! A Heinkel doing a loop from less than 300km/h after take off at less than 200m altitude? Think about it. And the loop was a round one, not a flip to nosedown at the top. Edited October 26, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
II./JG77_Manu* Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 S! A Heinkel doing a loop from less than 300km/h after take off at less than 200m altitude? Think about it. And the loop was a round one, not a flip to nosedown at the top. Even a Boeing 747 with 400.000kg weight could do a loop, i recently read about it. So i wouldn't foreclose, that this plane would be capable doing it at 300.
YSoMadTovarisch Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 This looks like something came out of WT. Oh well, with hardly anybody paying attention to bombers' FM I think the devs took some shortcuts on them.
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