High Expectations

[Hunty]

Some people have insanely High expectations thinking you can just cram anything into a game world and it will all run fine.

Comparing CLOD graphics to ROF like its a competition and yes i agree CLOD had nice graphics but it also had many flaws

that im not going to go into so please just stop compairing them. And im sure the team is gunna deliver us the best ww2 experience they can and we should appreciate there efforts. And in the meantime you should come fly some ROF see how beautiful it looks and feels and just enjoy it for what it is.

Edited December 12, 2012 by Hunty

[Opitz]

Nobody cares about CLOD anymore... Get used to it... CLOD game is over and it is not fault of Jason or 777... I am really looking forward to their joint product. I trust ROF team! They proved they can improve their product and keep their word and promises!

 

Anyone can fly whatever wants. CLOD or ROF or both. But in 2014 we will see the results of their work. I believe it will be much better than last "nextgen" WW2 sim... 

Edited December 12, 2012 by Opitz

[SJ_Butcher]

Nobody cares about CLOD anymore... Get used to it... CLOD game is over and it is not fault of Jason or 777... I am really looking forward to their joint product. I trust ROF team! They proved they can improve their product and keep their word and promises!

 

Anyone can fly whatever wants. CLOD or ROF or both. But in 2014 we will see the results of their work. I believe it will be much better than last "nextgen" WW2 sim... 

 

even warthunder is better than clod LOL, I bought that game to support the dev team...

[jctrnacty]

 

After merging 777 and IL2 team I am sure all of them are very inteligent people so I dont have a problem with the future of BOM.

After all its good to see they got rid of Ubisoft and can produce and release something they want and at the right time.

JAson is a good manager so there shouldnt be a problem with him overseeing this sim.

The choice of the engine and use of ROF one , again there is a lot of very inteligent people under one roof so I am sure they are able to use the best of both. Russians were always able to comunicate between each other so I must say I am really confident with the how the things turned out.

Good luck to the whole team.

 

You have my money

[CrazySchmidt]

I was a HUGE fan of IL-2 for many years (right from the realease of the demo) and had very high hopes for CoD, but the truth is (for me anyway) it's just one big disapointmemt, a piece of junk that I can't use.

 

I also have RoF and while my taste is definatley more towards WWII avaiation, RoF is an excellent game with stunning graphics and gives a surprising feel of immersion when in flight, plus it runs perfectly!!

 

I have been hoping for a long time now that 777 would produce some WWII content, so the fact that they are joining forces with the IL-2 team is like a match made in heaven to me and I can't wait to see what they can produce.

 

If it turns out anything like RoF with WWII birds, I'll be as happy as a pig in sh..

 

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

 

Cheers, CrazySchmidt.

[Phantom-103]

I'm really looking forward to BOS and this Theater.

[RedSkyTank]

I CARE About CLOD thank you very much .. it's my BOB game.

 

As to BOS, I'm willing to accept terrain and weathering not up to CLOD standards as long as it's stable, bug-free, allows more aircraft and runs on my Surface Pro .. but I do expect HIGHLY detailed aircraft with CLOD levels destruction details.

 

If BOS is just an updated 1946, i won't be buying.

 

Will I pay for more aircraft and stuff, sure if they are up CLOD standards.

 

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[FlatSpinMan]

Why would it be an updated 1946? It's a different engine, mostly a different team.

[LG1.Farber]

Nobody cares about CLOD anymore... Get used to it... CLOD game is over and it is not fault of Jason or 777... I am really looking forward to their joint product. I trust ROF team! They proved they can improve their product and keep their word and promises!

 

Anyone can fly whatever wants. CLOD or ROF or both. But in 2014 we will see the results of their work. I believe it will be much better than last "nextgen" WW2 sim... 

 

How ignorant.  People do care about Clod.  Clod is not over, it is a finished product and no more official action will be taken on it. 

 

Please remember the "last "next gen" WW2 sim" was IL2: Cliffs of Dover.  Very very adventerous and in the end it actually paid off!  However this was a double edged sword because now in its final state we have had it so good that simple dogfighting and nothing more will simply not do.  This is the turbulant emotions of IL2 fans please try to understand and bear with us. 

 

You love RoF - Great!  It works for you and it gives you great pleasure.  Please dont slam what some of us love just because you dont. 

[Jetlagg]

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Edited December 17, 2012 by Jetlagg

[=IRFC=Jorri]

This shouldn't turn into a ROF players bash CloD forumor the other way around

[Ribbs]

Don't say " Its better than the other... they both seem to be pretty decent at what they do ROF planes ..WWI Bi and Tri planes are very simple in their construction compared to a WWII fighter and bomber with much more sophisticated inner workings. There is alot more going on inside that CLOD has modeled. Hydraulic systems that are modeled and can be damaged. Electrical systems and so on.. Just don't turn this into a CLOD VS ROF players argument..Were all in this together...I have been watching ROF crash videos all morning and I'm impressed with alot of the DM it has to offer also. If they can pull it off and add in stuff from both DM, it will make alot of people happy in these forums. At this point its all a wait and see..... now where's my beer and popcorn....

 

If someone more in the know on the ROF DM can clarify more please do, because I'm very interested in this topic.

 

And please don't take me saying the ROF flight planes are simpler as me dissing on them because I'm not. They are beautifully modeled, and stunning to look at! I was just referring to the mechanical aspect and technology involved.

[=IRFC=Jorri]

The damage model in RoF is entirely different from any WWII sim (or any sim at all). There are less system that can get damaged in a WWI plane (but they can get damaged in RoF), but the dynamic damage model to the plane's structure is a lot more complicated, with the materials being less rigid: the structure doesn't break, it folds.

 

Who knows, perhaps it's even something they abandon for BoS to allow for more complex modeling of other things....for example, RoF does NOT have cockpit damage, and I don't think BoS can get away with that.

 

Here are some words from VikS, ROF game designer, on the subject:

 

comparison of CLOD and ROF on my machine based on my subjective observations:

DM Plane = CLOD wins

Can you please comment on this? i mean - why do you think so?
Cuase of chatter messages about "damage"? Broken carburettor on Bf109 eh?
So adding the same chatter messages - would make ROF damage model more "complicated"?

However' date=' the actual damage model is made of invisible blocks within the 3D model, right? So, right now it [i']seems[/i] like the entire wing is a hit-box. That means every shot to the wing causes damage, no matter the location, and this adds up until the point of bending or being ripped off. Maybe it's a bug, but the amount of shots it takes to rip off a wing is always the same for an aircraft.

Have you tested it - or just talking about it?
As right now - each wing consist of 3x parts (3+3) and each of em have its own strenght (im not mention about each joint between these parts - as it affects on G-load factors).
As on adding spars - this would bring much more CPU load w/o almost none visible difference - as with 90% of attacks from dead 6 brings most of the bullets to get thru wing spar.

And yet many ppl complains about ROF cant handle "thousandsofplanesatonceinoneplace", and yet - same ppl whant to get even more detailed damage model.

There is always a limit for PC performcance - always remember about it.

 

And here is a nice (but old!) ROF video showing off the damage model. The planes crashing into the ground don't completely crumble, which shows that there is a limited amount of parts in especially the damage model of the fuselage (more recent planes have more, for example their tails can break off)...but the pysics applied to each part of the damage model, and as a result the entire plane, are incredible. And what's more, they results of damage or loss of any part of the plane, including bits and pieces still hanging on halfway, are all taken in by the flight model..creating situations where you have to nurse a plane home with a heavily damaged wing, where too much control input will put too much force on it and cause it to come off, resulting in a crash.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j3UcSELlqo

 

Here's what the force of an explosion can do in ROF (skip to 1m27s):

 

 

Here's another nice crash from a multiplayer game (you can see just a big of lag):

 

 

Edit: another post by Viks

 

Keep in mind viks I don't think any of us mean to offend you' date=' we're all here because we adore Rise of flight.
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I know, but im discussing here not only cause im developer of ROF, but as simmer too, as im trying to use my free time for ROF when possible, as well as im checking most of other flightsims products.

Have you guys considered increasing the strength of wings though so 80% of everyone's kills aren't wing failures?

actually it depends, as example, when you hit someone in wings - and he continue to fight with you - he just rips his wings off due to G-limit decreased, and its not related to wings basic strenght.

Its just like about Sopwith Pup - many think that its a paper plane (cause when you hit it in wings - it very probable that it will lost its wings), but as a fact - it had almost the same wing structure as Camel, and its strenght limit (on damage) too, but everyone forgetting one fact - it can pull more G with just a tiny stick movement - buy buy wings.

Also, mostly, wings structure strenght are depends on airplane size/construction (and its in ROF from very beginning), and tha fact that some airplanes "seems" to lose its wings "too easy" - is just cause they had bigger wing area.

I dont think that in reality, when someone get holes in his wings - gonna put to much force on machine - and will put all efforts to get home as fast as possible, but when you have restart button and lots of ammo left  - you can make another choice and keep up fightin

 

Edited December 13, 2012 by hq_Jorri

[Hunty]

How ignorant.  People do care about Clod.  Clod is not over, it is a finished product and no more official action will be taken on it. 

 

Please remember the "last "next gen" WW2 sim" was IL2: Cliffs of Dover.  Very very adventerous and in the end it actually paid off!  However this was a double edged sword because now in its final state we have had it so good that simple dogfighting and nothing more will simply not do.  This is the turbulant emotions of IL2 fans please try to understand and bear with us. 

 

You love RoF - Great!  It works for you and it gives you great pleasure.  Please dont slam what some of us love just because you dont. 

Yes and i feel your pain brother im sad also that CLOD is dead thats why you should come fly some ROF maybe it might take your mind away from the CLOD failure.

 

The damage model in RoF is entirely different from any WWII sim (or any sim at all). There are less system that can get damaged in a WWI plane (but they can get damaged in RoF), but the dynamic damage model to the plane's structure is a lot more complicated, with the materials being less rigid: the structure doesn't break, it folds.

 

Who knows, perhaps it's even something they abandon for BoS to allow for more complex modeling of other things....for example, RoF does NOT have cockpit damage, and I don't think BoS can get away with that.

 

Here are some words from VikS, ROF game designer, on the subject:

 

 

 

Have you tested it - or just talking about it?

As right now - each wing consist of 3x parts (3+3) and each of em have its own strenght (im not mention about each joint between these parts - as it affects on G-load factors).

As on adding spars - this would bring much more CPU load w/o almost none visible difference - as with 90% of attacks from dead 6 brings most of the bullets to get thru wing spar.

 

And yet many ppl complains about ROF cant handle "thousandsofplanesatonceinoneplace", and yet - same ppl whant to get even more detailed damage model.

 

There is always a limit for PC performcance - always remember about it.

 

And here is a nice (but old!) ROF video showing off the damage model:

 

Funny reminds me of my piloting skills. :D

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

I wish we could just stop talking about CLoD, especially in here, turn the page and GET ON WITH IT...sad?? yes!...BUT:

it's in the past, it's over..it's passed on! This engine is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late game! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't screwded the 2 first years it  would NOT be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-engine!

 

Anyone who wants to continiue grind about CloD should go here

 

Now.. let's focus.. urn the page and talk about what this forum is all about: IL2 Battle of Stalingrad! be merry The mourning should be done in the yellow forum, the white forum is for rejoycing

Edited December 13, 2012 by F19_Klunk

[BlitzPig_EL]

Have you ever played Rise of Flight?  ROF's damage model is better than CLODs.

 

You can't be serious, can you?

[Jetlagg]

Certainly don't mean to start an argument. Just a staunch opinion.    ROF's damage model is the kind where I will sometimes fire up the game just to crash something. 

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Way back in july 2011 apparently Albert Zhiltzov (Producer of Rise of Flight)

"Yes, we are thinking of what will be the next step. We have done evolutionary development with our Digital Nature Engine. This laid the basis for the project architecture. Our programmers are already making plans to use DX11 to create graphics and the possibility of 64-bit systems using large amounts of memory. This course will give us the opportunity to make the next technological step, and even more surprising graphics and depth of physical modeling"

(

http://www.cleared-to-engage.com/2011/07/02/whats-next-after-rise-of-flight/

)

 

Six months is a long time in project planning and alot of things change but does anyone know how much progress has been done to the Digital Nature engine in this area? Alot of the griping would probably evaporate if there is still progress towards these plans.

 

Onwards and Upwards Gentlemen!

Edited December 14, 2012 by Skoshi Tiger

[BlitzPig_EL]

Certainly don't mean to start an argument. Just a staunch opinion.    ROF's damage model is the kind where I will sometimes fire up the game just to crash something. 

 

Not meaning to be argumentative Jetlagg.  I've just always cringed at the ground collision modeling, and the lack of fires.  Love to see the wings come off though.

[Jetlagg]

Not meaning to be argumentative Jetlagg.  I've just always cringed at the ground collision modeling, and the lack of fires.  Love to see the wings come off though.

 

No, I can see your point.  Fuselages don't take much damage, but, for me, watching an out of control biplane flutter into confetti oblivion is oh so gratifying.  Fires actually used to be MUCH more common and 777 toned them down due to popular demand.  Now people demand the former.  Oh well.   

Edited December 14, 2012 by Jetlagg

[LG1.Farber]

Yes and i feel your pain brother im sad also that CLOD is dead thats why you should come fly some ROF maybe it might take your mind away from the CLOD failure.

 

Funny reminds me of my piloting skills. :D

 

Clod is not dead.  How do you fathom that? 

 

I wish we could just stop talking about CLoD, especially in here, turn the page and GET ON WITH IT...sad?? yes!...BUT:

 

it's in the past, it's over..it's passed on! This engine is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late game! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't screwded the 2 first years it  would NOT be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-engine!

 

Anyone who wants to continiue grind about CloD should go here

 

Now.. let's focus.. urn the page and talk about what this forum is all about: IL2 Battle of Stalingrad! be merry The mourning should be done in the yellow forum, the white forum is for rejoycing

I know you went about trying to ruin IL2 Clod for some time on the banana forum but please respect the fact that just because you didnt like it - some people loved it.  Allot like RoF.

 

Im really proud of the IL2:clod fans at the moment, they are really holding back against a wave of negativity! - this is great.  Im also really appauled by the RoF fan base... 

Edited December 14, 2012 by 5JG27Farber

[machoo]

ROF looks nice graphics wise , but using DX9 in 2014 is pretty bad.

[FlaviusNavius]

 

 

Im really proud of the IL2:clod fans at the moment, they are really holding back against a wave of negativity! - this is great.  Im also really appauled by the RoF fan base... 

Don't generalise fanbases like this (not to mention that we are now all one fanbase on this forum). I see both fanbases saying stupid things. Not to mention that RoF fans has are scared that development will cease on RoF because of this new project. Both sides have it equally tough, as it were. Everyone needs to look at facts and give the project time before making too wild of an assumption.

Sorry for dragging this off topic even further, mods. But I felt like I needed to say it.

[csThor]

Let's be honest here folks - there has been a constant low-level sniper war between the Il-2 and RoF factions for as long as I can think back. Thinly veiled insults and insinuations, blatant provocations ... I've seen it all and from both sides. Hoping for immediate everlasting harmony is naive but I hope both camps can be at least mature enough to curb the old impulses a bit.

[Bearcat]

I was a HUGE fan of IL-2 for many years (right from the realease of the demo) and had very high hopes for CoD, but the truth is (for me anyway) it's just one big disapointmemt, a piece of junk that I can't use.

 

I also have RoF and while my taste is definatley more towards WWII avaiation, RoF is an excellent game with stunning graphics and gives a surprising feel of immersion when in flight, plus it runs perfectly!!

 

I have been hoping for a long time now that 777 would produce some WWII content, so the fact that they are joining forces with the IL-2 team is like a match made in heaven to me and I can't wait to see what they can produce.

 

If it turns out anything like RoF with WWII birds, I'll be as happy as a pig in sh..

 

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

 

Cheers, CrazySchmidt.

 

 

Hi ya CS.. Good to see you here.. I was hopng you would show up and maybe be able to offer some input into the mission builder aspect of this sim.. even it it was just sharing ideas because MM was such a great tool back in the day and it still has legs. I don't know how it will work with 4.11.1 but I know that up to 4.10 it was still a viable piece of kit and a perfect hybrid between the then QMB and the FMB.

[Bearcat]

I wish we could just stop talking about CLoD, especially in here, turn the page and GET ON WITH IT...sad?? yes!...BUT:

 

it's in the past, it's over..it's passed on! This engine is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late game! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't screwded the 2 first years it  would NOT be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-engine!

 

Anyone who wants to continiue grind about CloD should go here

 

Now.. let's focus.. urn the page and talk about what this forum is all about: IL2 Battle of Stalingrad! be merry The mourning should be done in the yellow forum, the white forum is for rejoycing

 

Get outta my head!!!

 

But really... this is not an RoF forum either .... and everyone here is not a CoD/RoF fan.. I still fly IL2 daily and get a great deal of enjoyment out of it .. and for me the prospect of something coming from a reliable source .. Like 777 studios .. that looks to have the same potential as IL2 .. that we thought we were getting with CoD and never did or will.. is something more worthy of going on about and discussing rather than fostering this imaginary rift between bananas and apples..  Even before it was released for me the notion of the BoB was great and all.. but I was hoping that by now we would have at least been well  into the med and looking to the PTO or ETO soon  in the CoD engine.. at least those were my thoughts about 3-4 years ago.. This place is not about comparing the two sims.. they are two totally different products .. and while they have their supporters this place was not created to go on ad nauseum about which one is better..  It was made as a place where we could discuss BoS so any discussion of CoD or RoF IMO anyway.. should be in reference to what we would like to see in BoS.. That is why this is here so that the developers can get some input from us. CoD has a forum.. so does RoF.. and this is not it.

 

No offense to anyone..

[Jester]

Let's be honest here folks - there has been a constant low-level sniper war between the Il-2 and RoF factions for as long as I can think back. Thinly veiled insults and insinuations, blatant provocations ... I've seen it all and from both sides. Hoping for immediate everlasting harmony is naive but I hope both camps can be at least mature enough to curb the old impulses a bit.

 

Yes, that would be nice.

 

Hopefully once more concrete information about Battle of Stalingrad is available there'll be more common ground to unite the community.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

I know you went about trying to ruin IL2 Clod for some time on the banana forum but please respect the fact that just because you didnt like it - some people loved it.  Allot like RoF.

1) are u kidding me? I like CloD, played CloD a lot and still do. 

 

2) If  u equate "ruining" with" beeing critical about something u have bought which is broken and is not "fixed" after 2 years, then You sir.. have a problem. I have not even a clue what you base your accusation on.. ruining.. BAH humbug! Talking about stirring the pot when there is nothing to stir. 

 

3) I prefer not beeing pointed at, Keep a civil tounge, stay true or don't bother commenting. 

 

And dont bother continuing pointing fingers. my POINT is.. this forum is for BoS and there are too many negative voices about a title which a) can save us from not having any decent wwii sim at all in the future and b)has not even begun beeing developed. If you took my quote from Monthy Python as nothing else than a joke,.. but rather personal.. then again.. that's your problem.

 

Of COURSE clod will live on... but this is not the place to discuss it, period. 

 

OT: sorry about this but I felt I was beeing wrongfully attacked

Edited December 14, 2012 by F19_Klunk

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Get outta my head!!!

 

But really... this is not an RoF forum either .... and everyone here is not a CoD/RoF fan.. I still fly IL2 daily and get a great deal of enjoyment out of it .. and for me the prospect of something coming from a reliable source .. Like 777 studios .. that looks to have the same potential as IL2 .. that we thought we were getting with CoD and never did or will.. is something more worthy of going on about and discussing rather than fostering this imaginary rift between bananas and apples..  Even before it was released for me the notion of the BoB was great and all.. but I was hoping that by now we would have at least been well  into the med and looking to the PTO or ETO soon  in the CoD engine.. at least those were my thoughts about 3-4 years ago.. This place is not about comparing the two sims.. they are two totally different products .. and while they have their supporters this place was not created to go on ad nauseum about which one is better..  It was made as a place where we could discuss BoS so any discussion of CoD or RoF IMO anyway.. should be in reference to what we would like to see in BoS.. That is why this is here so that the developers can get some input from us. CoD has a forum.. so does RoF.. and this is not it.

 

No offense to anyone..

hear hear!