Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[Emgy]

VEAO actually has 22 people. 7 are working on the prop birds. I'd guess most are part time, though.

 

I wonder how much "copy&paste+adjust" you can do with these things, like the Merlin engine or Spitfire aerodynamic shape. 

Edited September 17, 2014 by Calvamos

[Finkeren]

I wonder how much "copy&paste+adjust" you can do with these things, like the Merlin engine or Spitfire aerodynamic shape.

This is just me speculating, but I'd guess that the more detailed the modelling is (i.e. closer to the "real thing") the easier it will be to copy/paste.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Finkeren

[Stig]

Because for starters while they got up to speed on modelling DCS WW2 planes VEAO only wanted to make models of planes that they had direct access to and could get feedback from pilots who fly them in real life. But yes it's still an odd one.

 

But their desire to get that sort of feedback bodes well for the other planes that they're developing e.g. for their Spitfire XIV they have access to the plane at Duxford and also have five RL Spitfire pilots who have agreed to test fly their DCS model to make sure it's spot on. 

 

At the same it is this that limits DCS as a historical combat sim. A lot of aircraft will be missing, especially the Axis. So a Tobruk map without any Luftwaffe planes for the time period and no Italian planes at all. With the current proposed plane sets from ED and VEAO the WWII map that makes most sense would be the Low Countries with a late '44 early '45 scenario, eg. Market Garden and Bodenplatte.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

At the same it is this that limits DCS as a historical combat sim. A lot of aircraft will be missing, especially the Axis. So a Tobruk map without any Luftwaffe planes for the time period and no Italian planes at all. With the current proposed plane sets from ED and VEAO the WWII map that makes most sense would be the Low Countries with a late '44 early '45 scenario, eg. Market Garden and Bodenplatte.

 

Unternehmen Bodenplatte would be an interesting operation to fly.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I wish DCS could evolve to a full fledged WW2 sim. I really like the Dora and how it flies and the system modelling. Sure a different beast than BoS, but still. And Bongodriver ain't a troll, he might have strong opinions and such but not a troll by far, at least in my book

[DD_bongodriver]

Finkeren why are you discussing with this troll?

 

Not worth the time!!

 

 

 

You can call Bongodriver a lot of things. "Troll" is not among them.

 

 

 And Bongodriver ain't a troll, he might have strong opinions and such but not a troll by far, at least in my book

 

 

[Talisman]

VEAO planes should be included in a list of planned content until facts prove otherwise. They might be delayed but that's hardly newsworthy in flight sim development. BOS has been delayed. ED modules have been delayed. We'll see how it goes for them. So far they provide very regular updates and they say they're still on track for the Kittyhawk, Bearcat and Spitfire XIV. 

 

I'm perfectly content to wait for DCS WW2 to grow over the next couple of years. Between ED and 3rd parties a lot of good stuff will come and we'll have study sim level planes with correct historical environments. In the meantime next year we'll still have study sim level planes to fly in areas where people can make perhaps not completely historical but still fun missions. Might not appeal to those who want strictly historical but for those of us who like to fly these excellently modelled planes in combat missions against each other it's not an issue. 

I am new to this thread and do not know much about DCS WW2, but why on earth provide the Bearcat before providing more aircraft that flew in WW2 in combat.  The Tempest or some other high performance type would make more sense than the Bearcat IMHO.  The Bearcat is a great aircraft, but here we all are waiting for a decent DCS flight sim to give us something to simulate WW2 combat and they want to spend time on aircraft that did not take part in the war. 

Edited September 17, 2014 by 56RAF_Talisman

[DD_bongodriver]

But people are missing the point, DCS has never been marketed as a WWII combat sim, primarily it is a package offering high fidelity simulations of individual aircraft with some function to use them in a combat scenario including multiplayer, it was an external 3rd party that ventured into the WWII arena via that Kickstarter and since it's collapse ED took it upon themselves to continue it in order to save inverstors from a total loss, much of the current development is being driven by availability of the real aircraft for reference, this in itself is a huge plus point, I see nothing wrong in giving us a variety of iconic aircraft of varying eras and over time we will be given more tools to expand into historical relevance.

 

VEAO have not promised us a historic WWII environment either, they are simply focussing on classic British aircraft and several others from a well known 'collection'.

[Tektolnes]

As I said: I'd like for VEAO to surprise me. But the way Tektolnes presented it, it sounds like they're trying to do twice the work in half the time compared to the most succesful developer of content for DCS. That just doesn't seem believable to me.

 

I hope I'm wrong. A DCS quality Typhoon will be so much fun on a Normandy 

 

Firstly you don't know how much background work VEAO has done prior to announcement to really know if their timelines are achievable or not. Secondly they have stated that the code they put together for the Hawk is designed to be modular across all aircraft which helps with systems modelling, damage modelling, etc. which will cut down on time required. 

 

Also Belsimtek has not just been working on their own modules. During this period they also have been working on doing the AFM models for both the F-15 and the SU-27 which have taken a significant amount of their time. 

 

It is a seemingly aggressive timeframe by VEAO and the first major milestone is coming up in December with the P-40 so we'll see then I suppose. Holidays are a time when it's difficult to get things in and as 3rd party modules have to go through ED checks and implementation into the core as a minor DCSW release I would think January is probably more likely. 

[Tektolnes]

I am new to this thread and do not know much about DCS WW2, but why on earth provide the Bearcat before providing more aircraft that flew in WW2 in combat.  The Tempest or some other high performance type would make more sense than the Bearcat IMHO.  The Bearcat is a great aircraft, but here we all are waiting for a decent DCS flight sim to give us something to simulate WW2 combat and they want to spend time on aircraft that did not take part in the war. 

 

1. VEAO aren't exactly DCS WW2 - they're a 3rd party developer who are making a variety of planes from WW2 to modern era
2. They have access to Bearcats through Duxford - will help with exterior & pit modelling, authentic engine & pit sounds, etc.
3. They have access to real life Bearcat pilots who will provide feedback on their flight model to make sure it's fully accurate - when working through the first WW2 models this type of feedback will be invaluable both for the plane being modelled as well as a base for future developments. The problem with something like the Tempest for now is that there's no airworthy versions so more difficult for them to model to the accuracy that they want to achieve. It's better to approach those kind of planes later once a baseline of experience has been built up
4. The developers love the plane and a lot of people will buy it. It's maybe not ideal for those who just want historical DCS WW2 but that's just a portion of the DCS market. The Bearcat has long been popular in the civilian market as well so should be a commercial success for them
5. There's already going to be quite a few other WW2 combat planes - we'll have the P51-D, 109 K-4, 190 D-9, P47-D, P40-F, F4F Wildcat, Hawker Typhoon and Spitfires MkIX and MkXIV. Most of those can be used to make late '44 - mid 45' scenarios. More will get fleshed out over time
6. While they build of their base knowledge using a plane they can get good feedback on the R-2800 engine that they develop can be used to slot into other planes later e.g. Corsair & Hellcat so still represents a good investment of their time

[Stig]

But people are missing the point, DCS has never been marketed as a WWII combat sim, primarily it is a package offering high fidelity simulations of individual aircraft with some function to use them in a combat scenario including multiplayer, it was an external 3rd party that ventured into the WWII arena via that Kickstarter and since it's collapse ED took it upon themselves to continue it in order to save inverstors from a total loss, much of the current development is being driven by availability of the real aircraft for reference, this in itself is a huge plus point, I see nothing wrong in giving us a variety of iconic aircraft of varying eras and over time we will be given more tools to expand into historical relevance.

 

VEAO have not promised us a historic WWII environment either, they are simply focussing on classic British aircraft and several others from a well known 'collection'.

Exactly how i see it. However, I suspect that most people are looking forward to 'the full Monty'. 

[fdswer]

But people are missing the point, DCS has never been marketed as a WWII combat sim, primarily it is a package offering high fidelity simulations of individual aircraft with some function to use them in a combat scenario including multiplayer, it was an external 3rd party that ventured into the WWII arena via that Kickstarter and since it's collapse ED took it upon themselves to continue it in order to save inverstors from a total loss, much of the current development is being driven by availability of the real aircraft for reference, this in itself is a huge plus point, I see nothing wrong in giving us a variety of iconic aircraft of varying eras and over time we will be given more tools to expand into historical relevance.

 

VEAO have not promised us a historic WWII environment either, they are simply focussing on classic British aircraft and several others from a well known 'collection'.

 

This right here, they have said they will not publish anything that does not meet very high standards so there will be some "holes" in the theater.  All of the modules they have released so far have been really enjoyable and I love the how different all the planes feel in their handling and operation.  Its all the small details that I love about the DCS planes that I don't feel from the other combat sims out at the moment.  

[Talisman]

 

1. VEAO aren't exactly DCS WW2 - they're a 3rd party developer who are making a variety of planes from WW2 to modern era
2. They have access to Bearcats through Duxford - will help with exterior & pit modelling, authentic engine & pit sounds, etc.
3. They have access to real life Bearcat pilots who will provide feedback on their flight model to make sure it's fully accurate - when working through the first WW2 models this type of feedback will be invaluable both for the plane being modelled as well as a base for future developments. The problem with something like the Tempest for now is that there's no airworthy versions so more difficult for them to model to the accuracy that they want to achieve. It's better to approach those kind of planes later once a baseline of experience has been built up
4. The developers love the plane and a lot of people will buy it. It's maybe not ideal for those who just want historical DCS WW2 but that's just a portion of the DCS market. The Bearcat has long been popular in the civilian market as well so should be a commercial success for them
5. There's already going to be quite a few other WW2 combat planes - we'll have the P51-D, 109 K-4, 190 D-9, P47-D, P40-F, F4F Wildcat, Hawker Typhoon and Spitfires MkIX and MkXIV. Most of those can be used to make late '44 - mid 45' scenarios. More will get fleshed out over time
6. While they build of their base knowledge using a plane they can get good feedback on the R-2800 engine that they develop can be used to slot into other planes later e.g. Corsair & Hellcat so still represents a good investment of their time

 

Fair enough Tektolnes.  Thanks for your reply.  Just thought it would be a good business model to start to feed the WW2 combat sim venture a bit more as it would open up their products in a big way to a whole new market.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[BMA_West]

DCS World 17/09 update was bugged and a lot of ppl ended with most modules lost.

To remedy you had to manually desinstall correctly, reinstall DCS world and run it to get your files installed again.

From today there is a new bug-free update available.

If you lost modules runn out of the Eagle Dynamics/DCS World  start folder:

1- firstly the "Repair DCS World";

2- followed by "Update DCS World".

Next fire up the game and go to its module manager which eventually will install automaticaly some/all missing modules.

After which you may ask the module manager to install the still missing modules.

This pretty much did it for me and with good download speeds.

Edited September 18, 2014 by West

[AndyJWest]

I need to work on my spatial awareness... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7hpBxzGNKY&feature=youtu.be

[Feathered_IV]

Wandered past MilitaryMeshes.com just now and saw this thread from Psy06 regarding his 3D modelling work for DCS.

 

http://www.military-meshes.com/forum/showthread.php?7117-Our-6-years-work-for-simulators-)

 

Very good news for us here in post #13.  Makes things look very hopeful for the I-16 in BoS one day.

Not so great for all those other DCS projects however.  Post #10 shows psy's last message from the 8th of September saying that due to unspecified issues he no longer has any association with Eagle Dynamics. 

 

Good luck in your next ventures psy06 and congratulations on some beautiful work.

[SAG]

I bought the dcs p51 module when i heard news of the dcs:wwII kickstarter thinking i could fly it against other planes of that era. But after a few months of waiting, i dont know what happened to dcswwii developemet. Could anyone shed sone light on this matter and tell me what would i get for the money i spent on the mustang?? I find myself confused. Thanks in advance

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Well, RRG Studios is no more and the project is now being developed by ED.

[SAG]

Well, RRG Studios is no more and the project is now being developed by ED.

ooh ok, thats good, but where could i find the details on how the final product would be like, or more "official" information on the matter. all i can find on the internet is old or speculative so i cant really tell.

 

thanks!

[BFsSmurfy]

Eagle Dynamics website mate, you need to go there.

[Chuck_Owl]

Well, at the moment we have the P-51D, the FW190D9 and the Bf.109K4 which will be released mid-november.

 

The Spitifre Mk. IX, P-47 and Me-262 should be released in intervals of 3-4 months approximately. Once all aircraft have been released, the Normandy map should be released with WW2-era units and B-17 AI bombers.  

 

There is also VEAO which is developing the P-40F, the Spitfire Mk. XIV, the Buchon and the Bearcat. P-40F is announced for somewhere around Christmas-January.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Flew DCS today and boy was it a treat Nailed take-off and landing in Dora. I feel the take-off is more challenging than the landing actually. The "feel" of the plane is great, inertia and all that. Not to mention the simply stunning cockpit Can't wait for Bf109K-4 or to try out the P-47D!

[SOLIDKREATE]

Yep I'm waiting for the P-47D. I still ave my finger on the trigger for the Dora and the Kurfurst.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Spektre, squeeze the trigger You won't regret it!

Edited October 17, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker

[9./JG27golani79]

S!

 

 Flew DCS today and boy was it a treat Nailed take-off and landing in Dora. I feel the take-off is more challenging than the landing actually. The "feel" of the plane is great, inertia and all that. Not to mention the simply stunning cockpit Can't wait for Bf109K-4 or to try out the P-47D!

 

I´m pretty good at taking off in this thing now but I mess up my landings most of the time .. can´t seem to keep her on the runway :D

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Just hold stick back after a 3-point landing and Dora rolls straight

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

For just two days (18 to 20 October), offering a massive 70% off flash sale on most DCS products

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/

 

well ... i've ever what i need ...

maybe combined arms or Mi8 ... 

;-)

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Gonna grab Sabre for that price!

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

Sabre is a great one with weathered cockpit mod.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/847168/ 

 

very difficult for me to use rocket bombs and guns with it.

[ST_ami7b5]

For just two days (18 to 20 October), offering a massive 70% off flash sale on most DCS products

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/

 

well ... i've ever what i need ...

maybe combined arms or Mi8 ... 

;-)

Just bought Mi-8 for $14.99

[DD_bongodriver]

I got the Sabre and the Huey in the sale, they will have to wait a bit while I enjoy my early look at the VEAO Hawk.

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

hi bongo, do you know when the Hawk will be release on DCS world ? will it be or must buy on VEAO site ?

[DD_bongodriver]

I don't know to be honest, that sort of info wasn't divulged with our early look, it is around the corner as the bugs that prevented it's original release date have been squashed.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Bought Sabre, A-10A and Su-25 Bf109K-4 next and Mig-21bis..

[Emgy]

hi bongo, do you know when the Hawk will be release on DCS world ? will it be or must buy on VEAO site ?

All DCS 3rd party paid mods will be available in the official DCS store.

[BFsSmurfy]

I bought the Sabre as well, bargain really.

[FlatSpinMan]

Hawk? Is that the lovely Hawk as used by the Red Arrows, Hawk? I love that plane. That and the Skyhawk are amongst my favourites.

[siipperi]

All DCS 3rd party paid mods will be available in the official DCS store.

That havent been stated anywhere officially, they aren't forced to sell their products there afaik.

[DD_bongodriver]

Hawk? Is that the lovely Hawk as used by the Red Arrows, Hawk? I love that plane. That and the Skyhawk are amongst my favourites.

 

The very same.

[ST_ami7b5]

Still not too much into jets...

But the Sabre is tempting...