Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

F86 seems to have good reflections because of alpha layers and things like that.  so it's not a problem for this 109 . good skin will correct it.

 

" it is highly detailed using multitexture maps, normal maps, and specular maps"

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/images/sabre/06.jpg

 

anyway 109 as spit never have been full reflectiv, shining or like they just leave factory but mat painted.

[steppenwolf]

Weren't AC painted matte?

[DD_bongodriver]

Weren't AC painted matte?

 

 

Yep, it's like nobody has seen the shiny bare metal Mustangs or F-86 reflecting away like crazy.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Well the Bf109G-6 I sat in at FiAF museum did not reflect like in BoS, could not see the fuselage reflecting on the wing etc. To me BoS models are too shiny, could be toned down a bit. Bare metal shines some, but not as much as the polished planes of today's air shows, like BD mentioned.

[DB605]

But also remember that both survived 109's in Finland are not painted in original german warpaint, wich was actually known to shine a bit, especially when fresh. Effect may be little overdone in BoS tought.

[DB605]

First teaser video is out in Eagle Dynamics facebook page. And shine seems to be indeed there so probably taken with EDGE.

https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics?fref=nf

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Still the paint did not shine like a mirror we have in BoS Thanks for the teaser link!

[Chuck_Owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc-YEhLHexc

[Finkeren]

Yeah, still not sold on the externals, but DAMN the cockpit looks good.

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

but DAMN the cockpit looks good

 

we saw the cockpit a long time ago when Luthier was giving the updates, it's the externals that are the new feature.

[Finkeren]

In screenshots, yes. Not sure I had seen the cockpit in motion before. That's what really does it for me. Screenshots can be decieving.

[Emgy]

Glowing amraam is still making videos for ED games? Wow.

[MarcoRossolini]

Hmm... wasn't sold on the Dora or the Mustang (although I do own the latter)... but the K-4 looks awfully tempting...

[Leaf]

Yep, that K4 is the only thing that would entice me to buy DCS. It is by far by favourite plane!

I don't know much about DCS; so I've got a few questions.

a.) When is EDGE going to be implemented?
b.) How do the modules work? Do I need to buy a "base product" and the add-ons? or how does it work?

c.) How far is it until "release", or is that the wrong word?

d.) Are the special effects going to be changed/updated anytime? Right now they look rather unrealistic and lacklustre

[DB605]

a.) This autumn IIRC

 

b.) You need to download free DCS World for a base product, then buy add-ons you want.

 

c.) You mean DCS WW2:1944 release? From ED forums: "DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is still planned as a single-package option, or users can purchase individual components to integrate into DCS World.

As a basic outline, here are our current development intentions:

August 2014 – Fw 190 D-9 Dora
October 2014 - BF-109K
December 2014- Spitfire IX
March 2015 - P-47D-30
May 2015 - Normandy Map with period AI units
Other features like the Me.262A-1 and AI-only B-17G are also in development we but do not have a delivery data estimate at this time until these other features are further along."

 

d.) I guess effects are updated in EDGE.

[Chuck_Owl]

1) Rumour has it at some point this year or early 2015. Most trailers for recent aircraft were all done in EDGE.

2) You need to download the main DCS module, which is free. http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/dcs_world/ It gives you a couple of default cockpits (TF-51, Su-25T) to play with. With that, you have every other aircraft's external model included so you can see what other people fly as well even if you haven't bought particular modules. If you want to be able to "fly" certain modules yourself (A-10C, P-51, FW190, Huey, Mi-8, F-86, Ka-50, etc.), you need to buy a license for it (as if you bought a mini  "expansion" and once you register the license to your account in-game, you will automatically download the internal cockpit, gauges and everything related to the aircraft you're gonna fly that is not included in the main DCS World module.

3) DCS World is released already. Some modules have been released but are still in beta (like the Mi-8, F-86 and FW190), which means that we've got the cockpit and everything working, but there might be some very minor bugs and the aircraft manual is not complete. Other modules are being worked on and will be released later (Mig-21, Spitfire IX, Spitfire XIV, P-40F, Bf109K4, P-47, Me-262, Hawk, etc.) 

4) Yes, lots of effects will be changed with EDGE. You can look at the DCS F-86 trailer (not the teaser) on youtube to see some pretty neat improvements regarding lighting and effects.

 

Still, once you're in the thick of a dogfight, visuals hardly matter. See for yourself:

Edited August 30, 2014 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[Leaf]

a.) This autumn IIRC

 

b.) You need to download free DCS World for a base product, then buy add-ons you want.

 

c.) You mean DCS WW2:1944 release? From ED forums: "DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is still planned as a single-package option, or users can purchase individual components to integrate into DCS World.

 

As a basic outline, here are our current development intentions:

 

August 2014 – Fw 190 D-9 Dora

October 2014 - BF-109K

December 2014- Spitfire IX

March 2015 - P-47D-30

May 2015 - Normandy Map with period AI units

Other features like the Me.262A-1 and AI-only B-17G are also in development we but do not have a delivery data estimate at this time until these other features are further along."

 

d.) I guess effects are updated in EDGE.

 

 

1) Rumour has it at some point this year or early 2015. Most trailers for recent aircraft were all done in EDGE.

2) You need to download the main DCS module, which is free. http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/dcs_world/ It gives you a couple of default cockpits (TF-51, Su-25T) to play with. With that, you have every other aircraft's external model included so you can see what other people fly as well even if you haven't bought particular modules. If you want to be able to "fly" certain modules yourself (A-10C, P-51, FW190, Huey, Mi-8, F-86, Ka-50, etc.), you need to buy a license for it (as if you bought a mini  "expansion" and once you register the license to your account in-game, you will automatically download the internal cockpit, gauges and everything related to the aircraft you're gonna fly that is not included in the main DCS World module.

3) DCS World is released already. Some modules have been released but are still in beta (like the Mi-8, F-86 and FW190), which means that we've got the cockpit and everything working, but there might be some very minor bugs and the aircraft manual is not complete. Other modules are being worked on and will be released later (Mig-21, Spitfire IX, Spitfire XIV, P-40F, Bf109K4, P-47, Me-262, Hawk, etc.) 

4) Yes, lots of effects will be changed with EDGE. You can look at the DCS F-86 trailer (not the teaser) on youtube to see some pretty neat improvements regarding lighting and effects.

 

Still, once you're in the thick of a dogfight, visuals hardly matter. See for yourself:

 

Thanks you two! That's cleared a few things up. Great to see it coming along, despite the, erm, rather bumpy development history. 

Definitely something I'll keep an eye out for, if only for my little K4.

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Still, once you're in the thick of a dogfight, visuals hardly matter. See for yourself:

True.. but good luck getting into the thick of battle!

 

I don't know what it is about the current DCS graphics engine, but visually spotting planes at more than a football field away is imposable to do without zooming.. and I hate zooming, just feels wrong. Right now, online, if it was not for the flack, I would not be able to see any planes beyond a football field distance.

 

This was not a big deal when DCS was only a BVR modern jet sim, where you spent more time looking at the radar than the world.. but now with DCS trending towards a WWII style gun fight dog fight sim this will have to change.

 

So, with that said, has this limitation been mentioned? And if so, is the new EDGE graphics engine suppose to address this limitation?

 

Oh, and for the nay sayers, note I am not saying the current view is realistic or not realistic, I am simply comparing DCS current graphics to other (past and present) combat flight simulators view ranges

[Chuck_Owl]

it is a known issue and rumour has it that rendering distance will be improved with EDGE. But it is pure speculation at this point until we get a change log.

[siipperi]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129527

 

 

I would expect WW2 related news on friday.

[Brano]

Slightly OT but from infos in other thread it looks like DCS might be going to expand into Korea Theatre of Operations.With Yak9U and La9,Mustang we allready have (would require some modifications to match F51 variant),Sabre released,MiG15 in process.Maybe Corsair,Thunderjet,Panther,Invader,IL10? Oh boy,this is the way it is supposed to be.They have all my hard earned money for this enterprise.Not so much for DCS:WW2.IMO this is a bit unfortunate derail in their long-term planning.

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Honestly, I would love to see them do KOREA first.. Has not been a good KOREAN combat sim in years! That and it would be a smoother transition for current modern jet sim users (modern jet -> jet -> props). I have been supporting ED for years now, I have all the DCS world mods they make, except for 1, and I don't know how many times I have bought LockOn over the past 10 years, nor how many version of Black Shark I have bought.. They seem to have a new motivation over there, and a lot of 3rd party help now that could translate into broken things getting fixed, and fixed faster and new stuff getting made, fingers crossed

Edited September 2, 2014 by ACEOFACES

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Have to agree with Aces here    A good Korean war simulator would be great. Sea Fury, here I come or the F4U-5N :D OR A-26 Invader or...Yummy!

[AceRevo]

I would get the Korean war theater just becouse of the Corsair, my favorite plane of all times! 

[Static]

I bought the FW 190 and the BF 109 from DCS yesterday. The FW 190 cost 49.99 and today I get an e-mail saying the FW 190 is on sale for 39.99 tomorrow, my timing sucks.

[Chuck_Owl]

Oh... my... god. OH MY GOD!!!!!!

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129630

[AceRevo]

OMFG LOL I just bought the mustang and K-4 few days back :D Im glad I waited for the Dora to drop down a litttle ))) 

Btw I still love you BoS! No hard feelings 

[Finkeren]

Could this be the moment to jump in for a cheap 'Stang? I'm far from sold on the whole "study sim" idea, as long as it doesn't come with a realistic scenario, but how can I say that, if I haven't tried?

[Bassly]

Go for it.

[AceRevo]

I dont know, for now IL-2 will be my choise of combat sim, but one day if Im beeing bored I can spend time in DCS to learn more about the planes. Overall, I like the Team Fusion vision and their game looks much better too which is some how important to me. Like ''candy'' to my eyes. DCS World is getting their World updated too which should bring some graphical improvements. 

 

So far, BoS is my first choise tho I just bought the A10C and FC3, I would really like to see the aerial combat simulation genere grow. They need their competitions. 

[siipperi]

Could this be the moment to jump in for a cheap 'Stang? I'm far from sold on the whole "study sim" idea, as long as it doesn't come with a realistic scenario, but how can I say that, if I haven't tried?

 

You can always test TF51D for free if you haven't already, that's awesome part of DCS.

[ST_ami7b5]

 

Oh... my... god. OH MY GOD!!!!!!

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129630

 

"In addition to the release of DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, the team is also plugging away on the next aircraft for the series: DCS: Bf 109 K-4 Kurfürst. This is being done internally by Eagle Dynamics to the same exacting standards of the Dora. The pre-purchase with 20% discount is now available and we plan to make the Open Beta available in the October – November time frame.Other warbirds in work for this project include both the P-47D and Spitfire. These will be welcome additions to the growing stable of Second World War aircraft as we flesh out this era of air combat."

...

"The other major element of DCS World War II: Europe 1944 is of course the new Normandy map. The team is currently working on a new combat theater map to support DCS: F/A-18C Hornet, but once complete, will be returning to this map. At that time, we should be able to start sharing images of the new era map, complete with period ground units."

 

Looks promissing

[Finkeren]

"In addition to the release of DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, the team is also plugging away on the next aircraft for the series: DCS: Bf 109 K-4 Kurfürst. This is being done internally by Eagle Dynamics to the same exacting standards of the Dora. The pre-purchase with 20% discount is now available and we plan to make the Open Beta available in the October – November time frame.Other warbirds in work for this project include both the P-47D and Spitfire. These will be welcome additions to the growing stable of Second World War aircraft as we flesh out this era of air combat."

...

"The other major element of DCS World War II: Europe 1944 is of course the new Normandy map. The team is currently working on a new combat theater map to support DCS: F/A-18C Hornet, but once complete, will be returning to this map. At that time, we should be able to start sharing images of the new era map, complete with period ground units."

 

Looks promissing

 

Looks promising? To me it sounds like "we've currently put work on DCS WW2 environment aside in favor of something else, but we promise that we'll get right back on it, once we're finished with this other thing we've got going on"

 

A period map (unfitting of the actual planeset as it may be) is not "the other major element of DCS WW2", it's the essential element. Without it, you don't have a period combat flight sim, you have a bunch of FSX addons with guns.

[Nage]

Looks promising? To me it sounds like "we've currently put work on DCS WW2 environment aside in favor of something else, but we promise that we'll get right back on it, once we're finished with this other thing we've got going on"

 

A period map (unfitting of the actual planeset as it may be) is not "the other major element of DCS WW2", it's the essential element. Without it, you don't have a period combat flight sim, you have a bunch of FSX addons with guns.

Just relax and play your favourite sim. Until then let me and my pals play DCS and let us wait for the other planes and normandy map. For good stuff I can wait...

Edited September 4, 2014 by tikvic

[Finkeren]

Just relax and play your favourite sim. Until then let me and my pals play DCS and let us wait for the other planes and normandy map. For good stuff I can wait...

 

I think you get me wrong. I don't pick a "favourite sim", I still play both IL2-1946, ClOD and RoF. I want DCS WW2 to succeed and be a great alternative to BoS. This sale has me considering taking the plunge on DCS WW2, even if I don't agree with all the choices the dev team has made. However, this sim wil not be truly interesting for me (and I imagine a lot of other people) before we have a historical environment for the action to take place in, and therefore I view the information, that the map makers are busy doing something else as discouraging news.

[Nage]

I think you get me wrong. I don't pick a "favourite sim", I still play both IL2-1946, ClOD and RoF. I want DCS WW2 to succeed and be a great alternative to BoS. This sale has me considering taking the plunge on DCS WW2, even if I don't agree with all the choices the dev team has made. However, this sim wil not be truly interesting for me (and I imagine a lot of other people) before we have a historical environment for the action to take place in, and therefore I view the information, that the map makers are busy doing something else as discouraging news.

With this I can agree. But normandy map is already being worked on, just its a bit slower development now due to other maps...I will add that I hope they will fix stutters in new engine (apparently happening when somebody is firing from guns in MP).

[ST_ami7b5]

Looks promising? To me it sounds like "we've currently put work on DCS WW2 environment aside in favor of something else, but we promise that we'll get right back on it, once we're finished with this other thing we've got going on"

 

A period map (unfitting of the actual planeset as it may be) is not "the other major element of DCS WW2", it's the essential element. Without it, you don't have a period combat flight sim, you have a bunch of FSX addons with guns.

Well, promissing compared to the current Georgia map, which is the reason my Mustang and Dora are in their hangars, collecting dust.

 

Of course the 'right' maps would be more welcome. Let's hope they will come.

Glass half full.

[Finkeren]

Well, promissing compared to the current Georgia map, which is the reason my Mustang and Dora are in their hangars, collecting dust.

 

Of course the 'right' maps would be more welcome. Let's hope they will come.

Glass half full.

 

I'm not really complaining about the choice of map, though that is an issue by itself. My comment was directed at the "looks promising" part. We've known that the Normandy map is coming for a long time. That's not really news. The news part was, that it's apparently going to be delayed because the map makers are currently busy creating something for the Hornet. That to me is dicouraging, because I will have limited incentive to fly DCS WW2 until we get historical environments.

[ram0506]

The Normandy map is not necessarily delayed because of the work on another map. The plan was to release it next year in may

 

August 2014 – Fw 190 D-9 Dora
October 2014 - BF-109K
December 2014- Spitfire IX
March 2015 - P-47D-30
May 2015 - Normandy Map with period AI units
Other features like the Me.262A-1 and AI-only B-17G are also in development we but do not have a delivery data estimate at this time until these other features are further along.

and this could still be valid.

[AceRevo]

The Normandy map is not necessarily delayed because of the work on another map. The plan was to release it next year in may

and this could still be valid.

If you read trough some posts in DCS they are working on this other map too for the F18 Super Hornet. Normany will be delayed becosue of that or they are just prioritizing this other map first. The normany map wont be released until May becouse of that, or the map will be delayed becouse of that. So, if they were to prioritize Normandy first, the map would probably be ready sooner.. At least thats how I understand it from reading trough threads about the matter on their forum.