ram0506 Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Haha. I was just trying to be funny with sarcastic comment about his large dogfight distance if he can't see other player, but seriously: that which I mentioned its max distance, problem however is that there is no bigger lod for distance targets in dcs so on smaller screen its rather hard to see planes but that being said I constantly see su25s and su27/mig29s from tens of KMs away from me. But need to use active zooming to track targets easier. Ah,ok. I misunterstood your "40km turning radius"! Would have been a long search in the options for that!
PA-Sniv Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 SiThSpAwN says Normandy map will probably be around 40-50$ for non backers. Quite expensive if Normandy map size is still 100x160km...
Finkeren Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Holy Moses! We'll have to pay for the map as well? Just the planned 6 aircraft and the map is going to be more than I've spent on RoF over a period of 5 years
siipperi Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126712 Great thing about ED is that they really listen community. Good news and we all can agree this is a lot better than first one even if worse than orginal silly KS structure.
Rjel Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 The old saying "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." seems to apply here. The amount I'd pledge to get all the planes seemed a little too good to be true. Guess it was.
ST_ami7b5 Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 So instead of my Dora they are forcing me another Mustang? Two Mustangs, no Dora. Nice. So at the end they responded to the P-51 owners 'rage' and we well be able to choose any other plane (Dora in my case) instead. Good move.
Matt Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 That change of plan and the ability to choose any plane sounds good to me. I'll just take the 190 and 109 and see how this flightsim in general will develop.
[JG54]Vyper Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 I'll wait until people are flying each AC. After the absolute pain that was CloD I wanted to believe that Ubisoft was responsible for that. Now I'm now so sure. I'd love to take some 190D's out for a spin....but I've been burned too many times by that group lately. Maybe ED will get it all right.
Tektolnes Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 The Dora is all ED since the beginning except for the pit which was done by RRG. You can be sure it'll be high quality.
1PL-Banzai-1Esk Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Just flew Dora Today at Duxford, in Edge engine , that was my first time trying DCS . Not bad at all. FW has some amazing rearward visibility. I am looking forward now to getting my 2 kickstarter planes in DCS. S. P.S. They also had F-86 and BF 109 and MiG 21. I took a spin in Sabre.
Dakpilot Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Just flew Dora Today at Duxford, in Edge engine , that was my first time trying DCS . Not bad at all. FW has some amazing rearward visibility. I am looking forward now to getting my 2 kickstarter planes in DCS. S. P.S. They also had F-86 and BF 109 and MiG 21. I took a spin in Sabre. Any pics and or more info on EDGE, who was running the stand/Demo Cheers Dakpilot
DB605 Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Just flew Dora Today at Duxford, in Edge engine , that was my first time trying DCS . Not bad at all. FW has some amazing rearward visibility. I am looking forward now to getting my 2 kickstarter planes in DCS. S. P.S. They also had F-86 and BF 109 and MiG 21. I took a spin in Sabre. What, flyable 109 already? Any pics? More comments about 190? Edited July 11, 2014 by DB605
1PL-Banzai-1Esk Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Guys, I never played DCS before so I can't tell you much in terms of difference between EDGE and previous engine. All I can say is that it looked not bad. Sabre was great looking and shiny outside , nice reflections. 109 wasn't fully ready yet , they wouldn't show it. There was one chap from ED and one chap from Veao Simulations. They are making a Spit Mk XIV. There was a real one standing in the same hangar and they have full access to the plane and pilots flying it. I can't comment on FM as I only flew for couple of minutes and have no clue anyway . I am sure that there will be some other flightsim guys trying it out tomorrow at Flying Legends and there will have some more useful info for you. P.S. Tried Warthog joystick for the first time as well , very impressed. If they only did FFB versions.
DB605 Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Ok, no probs. Good to hear about EDGE, hopefully it will be released in august too with D9.
siipperi Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 There was news that after all they release 1.2.9 version with Sabre in couple of weeks and that doesn't include EDGE, they still have some problems apparently. But yeh ED is partners with the fighter collection and recieving valuable info and test help from them.
kongxinga Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Darn I knew this was too good to be true. I know there was existing unusual circumstances, but this whole repricing feels like a bait and switch, and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've lost 66% of the value of my pledge and the maps is extra? Granted I probably would have still bought the DCS ww2 modules if they were priced similar to the modern modules and I have all modules except for P-51 because I thought I will be getting it with DCS ww2,, but having a good deal and losing it makes it all different, so I don't know if I want to get the others. It is not the price that is the issue, is the whole after the fact changing the rewards that is at issue. I will probably grab the p-47 and the Me262 and be silently unhappy after this. Edited July 12, 2014 by kongxinga 1
Uufflakke Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Any pics and or more info on EDGE, who was running the stand/Demo Cheers Dakpilot I think after the weekend images and experiences will pop up here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=125859 or anywhere else on the web.
TheBlackPenguin Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 Darn I knew this was too good to be true. I know there was existing unusual circumstances, but this whole repricing feels like a bait and switch, and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've lost 66% of the value of my pledge and the maps is extra? Granted I probably would have still bought the DCS ww2 modules if they were priced similar to the modern modules and I have all modules except for P-51 because I thought I will be getting it with DCS ww2,, but having a good deal and losing it makes it all different, so I don't know if I want to get the others. It is not the price that is the issue, is the whole after the fact changing the rewards that is at issue. I will probably grab the p-47 and the Me262 and be silently unhappy after this. Bait and switch? I honestly don't think this was the case, it seemed even at the time that the people running the Kickstarter expected much greater success than what they achieved and because it succeeded at the level it did they ran out of cash too quickly with too little, that's just my impression. Anyway, whilst writing this I checked the backers forum and I recommend reading the DCS WWII FAQ for further explanations. At least we have a chance of another WW2, one is good, but we really would benefit from two or more world class simulations competing against each other.
Finkeren Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 Bait and switch? I honestly don't think this was the case, it seemed even at the time that the people running the Kickstarter expected much greater success than what they achieved and because it succeeded at the level it did they ran out of cash too quickly with too little, that's just my impression. How could that be? The KS finished with 150% of its set goal. If what you said is true, then they DELIBERATELY set a goal that was way too low, and where they knew they couldn't deliver on the promises they made. That is not only dishonest, it is downright criminal (as proven by some recent cases about KS) A much more likely answer is, that the team was largely shooting blind with that KS and had no idea what to expect from the process, and now the backers pay the price for it by having to relinquish what they were promised and pay for the same thing twice, which understandably makes people mad. At least we have a chance of another WW2, one is good, but we really would benefit from two or more world class simulations competing against each other. I agree, but I fear, that the price tag is now so big (we're talking hundreds of $ here) and the content so limited, that DCS WW2 has no chance to draw anyone but the most hard core simmers, where BoS is now drawing loads of ppl from WT and other arcadish flying games. In reality I think there is little chance of the competition between the 2 being big enough to positively influence either one. 1
DB605 Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 How could that be? The KS finished with 150% of its set goal. If what you said is true, then they DELIBERATELY set a goal that was way too low, and where they knew they couldn't deliver on the promises they made. That is not only dishonest, it is downright criminal (as proven by some recent cases about KS) A much more likely answer is, that the team was largely shooting blind with that KS and had no idea what to expect from the process, and now the backers pay the price for it by having to relinquish what they were promised and pay for the same thing twice, which understandably makes people mad. I agree, but I fear, that the price tag is now so big (we're talking hundreds of $ here) and the content so limited, that DCS WW2 has no chance to draw anyone but the most hard core simmers, where BoS is now drawing loads of ppl from WT and other arcadish flying games. In reality I think there is little chance of the competition between the 2 being big enough to positively influence either one. KS campaigns are always big gamble. You are funding the campaing and IF it's succes you get your rewards. RRG studios campaing was failure, fortunatelu for us backers ED was willing to take over the project. I don't think WT or any other light sim/arcade players are ED's target audience, after all DCS WW2 will be hardcore simulator with all systems modelling etc, so it would not attract those players even with cheaper price.
Matt Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 I thought the plan of RRG was to release each plane individually for non backers anyway. So the price tag for non backers would've been the same.
Finkeren Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 KS campaigns are always big gamble. You are funding the campaing and IF it's succes you get your rewards. RRG studios campaing was failure, fortunatelu for us backers ED was willing to take over the project. The thing is: When you take peoples' money through KS, you are obligated to deliver on your promises. It was established in court last year. I'm glad ED will be delivering something to the backers (I personally didn't support the KS campaign, so I have no horse in this race) but to say, that it's all just a big gamble, and that ED and RRG aren't liable for the promises they made is incorrect. I don't think WT or any other light sim/arcade players are ED's target audience, after all DCS WW2 will be hardcore simulator with all systems modelling etc, so it would not attract those players even with cheaper price. The thing is: A significant group of WT players are actually moving on to real flight sims in search of more depth in their experience. If the team behind DCS WW2 isn't trying to draw in that audience, that's a huge mistake IMHO. 1
DB605 Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 The thing is: When you take peoples' money through KS, you are obligated to deliver on your promises. It was established in court last year. I'm glad ED will be delivering something to the backers (I personally didn't support the KS campaign, so I have no horse in this race) but to say, that it's all just a big gamble, and that ED and RRG aren't liable for the promises they made is incorrect. And what promises ED is done in your opinion? Maybe you should read FAQ from ED forums before further commenting if not already done: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126824
Finkeren Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 Yeah sorry. ED wasn't part of the original KS drive, shouldn't have mentioned them there. However, it doesn't change the fact, that KS is not and should not be a gamble.
Tab Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 I don't know... ED and RRG were in a partnership - means for me they are both responsible for the project. This FAQ from the 11th of july pictures it in a way that ED was more of vendor and less of partner. The initial KS campaign pictured the partnership in a very different way "we are working together, we stand by with support and knowledge to RRG" and stuff like that. Basically the partnership with ED and "DCS" in the game title was the key factor in achieving the KS goal. Without it there would never be any disaster, since nobody would be charged, and no money would be moved around. I wonder if they let everybody use their name and call it partnership just like that without really agreeing on what will happen to the project using their franchise. May I go now on KS with the title "DCS: something 1946" too and claim I work on this together with ED? 3
LLv44_Mprhead Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 Quite a few people seem to be misled by this partnership part. As we don't have access to contract they had, it's impossible to know what it actually meant in this case. It can vary from "you are allowed to use our name"-type of deal to full consortium partners type of partnership where responsibilities are shared. But I seriously doubt that they had partnership where ED would have any kind of legal responsibilities, since it wouldn't have made any sense for them. 1
Rjel Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 My contribution to the project wasn't so big that I've got beads of sweat breaking out on my forehead, but I do feel sorry for those who pledge $100s and even $1000s to the kickstarter campaign. Those poor folks really got shammed by people they'd shown much support for.
TheBlackPenguin Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 A much more likely answer is, that the team was largely shooting blind with that KS and had no idea what to expect from the process, and now the backers pay the price for it by having to relinquish what they were promised and pay for the same thing twice, which understandably makes people mad. That's actually what I was implying . KS campaigns are always big gamble. You are funding the campaing and IF it's succes you get your rewards. RRG studios campaing was failure, fortunatelu for us backers ED was willing to take over the project. I don't think WT or any other light sim/arcade players are ED's target audience, after all DCS WW2 will be hardcore simulator with all systems modelling etc, so it would not attract those players even with cheaper price. Yes, luckily ED has taken it over, rather than having just given it up. I suspect the vast majority of WT's players are happy, others as you say will move with some at least becoming more 'hardcore' or more diversified (nothing wrong with playing more than one game).
Revvin Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 On a more positive note I was able to go and see some of the new content coming at the Flying Legends airshow today at Duxford. The Dora and Sabre looked great and it was a good chance to talk to one of the DCS third party developers who was really enthusiastic about all the on going third party projects and about the long list of planes they have planned. The future looks very promising for DCS World. 1
1PL-Banzai-1Esk Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 Great way to promote DCS there. I have seen many people who never tried it , including myself , sitting down with it and then asking how to get it etc. They also had a 3D monitor and that was first time I was able to see a game in 3D , it was interesting. I wonder how BoS looks like in 3D and if it's more strain on eyes to play in 3D. Also three monitor setup and Warthog hotas. The only thing missing was Oculus Rift , it wasn't delivered on time , and another chap who had it couldn't make it to the show. Overall a nice presentation in the middle of hangar with Spitfire XIV with exposed engine (being worked on ,what a sight) , and other planes in operational state. There was a chap from ED there , and I mentioned BoS to him and he asked me if it was out yet. I found it quite funny that in such a small genre as flightsims , he didn't know anything about BoS.
kestrel79 Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 hmmm I'll probably get either the 109 or 190 and the P47.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 hmmm I'll probably get either the 109 or 190 and the P47. I'll be going the P-47 route, as well. 109K, as well. Well, provided they're ever released.
ST_ami7b5 Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 I'll grab Dora - she is for sure and will supplement my Mustang nicely.
snowsnipersnow_sniper Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 Dcs spit should be awesome pleasure ! I ll grab it as soon it will be release. I m a spitfanboy A2A, clod,... i ve got them all just for the spit.
Mac_Messer Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 That is not too bad. I`ll take the Dora and Kurfurst. As for 50$ for one aircraft, no thanks.
ram0506 Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 Start up of the Dora: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lk67WwXcQQ
Sgt_Ryan Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmuDubmrQ-c Had my first dogfight against the AI P-51. Firewalled the throttle and engaged MW50. It ran as long as I needed it without issues; much less finicky than the WEP in our Mustang. Sithspawn was correct that it will take about one day for people to learn the 190D-9 and be a tough challenge to the P-51. I'm looking forward to it!
saf Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Yes your right it`s easy to learn the D9. I wonder if this was the D9 (as modeled) the P-51 pilot did encounter or did the D9 pilot encounter a different P-51 :D Edited August 7, 2014 by saf
gavagai Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 Oooh, I'm quoted above! FWIW, I learned that you can go a bit over 10 minutes at WEP with MW50 before breaking the engine.
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