Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[Rjel]

I'm gonna stay away for now. I may throw down 40 bucks if they are close in the closing days and show some better screenshots of the direction they are heading with the Normandy map.

 

It does sound interesting. It's definitely something to keep tabs on. If we get shown something along the lines of what 777 has shown us of BoS I'll gladly kick in.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Months ago it seemed like there might not be anything brewing in the WWII flight sim arena and now we have... at least two high fidelity games? Interesting stuff.

 

I'll admit a great degree of skepticism with this new DCS based offer but I'll wait and see. I can't afford either sim at the moment... fingers crossed for good news soon!

[AX2]

I just saw in web  online DCS: WWII  ... some one put $ 1,000 in a single shot  .

 

Edited September 6, 2013 by Mustang

[Feathered_IV]

I see its a $100k goal for the first part to get the map and all the core game done. But I'm curious why the first stretch goal is $275k just for two aircraft and a couple if campaigns. Surely the former is more work than the latter.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

I've backed the kick starter to a similar level as my preorder for BoS.

 

I wish them all the best in this new venture. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

 

I can't help but feel that we (people interested in WWII Combat flight sims) are so lucky that we have a number of dedicated , passionate development teams out there working to put their dreams into reality.

 

All the best to all of them!  

Edited September 6, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger

[tempered]

I supported Rise of Flight when very few others would. I supported Clod, and I will support this effort as well.  Good flight sims cost money and very few are willing to take the risk. I would rather back one turkey than see the entire field of flight simming turn into a bunch of Gaijin arcade shooters.

 

 The fact that it is a kickstarter effort makes it even easier to support. If it begins to look like the development is off track, you can pull your funds out before the end.

[FuriousMeow]

I see a matching partnership with ED and Luthier.

 

Where's that Nevada map ED promised a few years back?

 

I didn't say a good partnership.

 

I own DCS:A10 and P51 module, I think that's about all I'm going to spend.

Edited September 6, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

So is it the 109G or the 109K? Must be a typo but in 2 places in the kickstarter info it says the 109G, when in the week Luthier himself said its the K, doesn't fill you with confidence if they cant get that right off the bat.

 

If i had a choice it would be the G.

[Heywooood]

I hope DCS ED know what they're getting...because Ilya's track record is questionable after CloD (really after PF)

I like DCS for my A-10, Black Shark and the Frog - I'll keep that one for modern combat, BoS for the WWII and RoF for WWI

(I gotta say, Im underwhelmed by the DCS Mustang)

 

mind you, I bought CloD on Steam for 10 bucks and I still feel like I got screwed - wings of prey was better

 

..no offense

[JG27_Chivas]

So is it the 109G or the 109K? Must be a typo but in 2 places in the kickstarter info it says the 109G, when in the week Luthier himself said its the K, doesn't fill you with confidence if they cant get that right off the bat.

 

If i had a choice it would be the G.

 

you have to pledge to get a choice  

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Im pretty sure i will put 40 in Chivas, but mistakes like that after such a build up remind me of other sims, surely Luthier proof read that kickstarter page enough times before releasing it to the public?

 

So is it the K or the G? we are still not sure.

[Bearcat]

Off topic slightly but my idea of WW2 sim Utopia would be all these teams developing sims working together and producing the largest most detailed sim ever made. pooling resources and finances in an attempt to make the aforementioned.

 

+1

 

As a flight sim fan it's hard not to be excited by a new WWII sim

 

+2

 

Reading through this thread I can't help but notice some of the more vocal negative comments... Look.. if you don't want to support the project then don't... but the negativity needs to be kept at a minimum.. This is not the place for it... If you have a beef with Oleg or Ilya or anyone else associated with that project take your concerns, gripes, rage or whatever over there.. Not here.

[JtD]

Respect to 777/1C for allowing this topic on forum 

Indeed. Maybe I'll preorder another BoS premium for giveaway to show my appreciation.

 

Two hearts in my chest WRT DCS:WW2, on the one hand I don't believe in the long term success of this project and am not interested in the announced content (sole exception Typhoon Ib), on the other hand I think every WW2 flight sim should be supported. Thank god I don't have to decide immediately.

[JG4_Sputnik]

Two persons already backed the 1k .... Nice I hpe they will take advantage of the weekly meetings

But apart from that, the 18k are a rather slow start or am I mistaken?

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Two persons already backed the 1k .... Nice I hpe they will take advantage of the weekly meetings

But apart from that, the 18k are a rather slow start or am I mistaken?

 

 

I would of thought the first 24 hours would have brought in more backers, but 18K is a good start.

 

Luthier just confirmed its 109K not the 109G.

[ST_ami7b5]

I would back $40 immediatelly IF it was another theatre... (Pacific, Africa..)

I already have DCS:P-51, so at least I will take her for a ride in her natural environment.

[JG27_Chivas]

I would of thought the first 24 hours would have brought in more backers, but 18K is a good start.

 

Luthier just confirmed its 109K not the 109G.

 

Yes they had the most comprehensive data on the K4.   He also tried to edit kickstarter, but he was unable to.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

I wonder why Bf109K-4 when G-series was so much more in service at that time. Late war frenzy to lure in prop fans? BoS started off with far more accurate presentation and details giving you a clear picture of things. So I will be getting friend gifts of BoS soonish to promote.

 

While I like DCS and own modules to it the info given is too vague and choices of planes odd so will keep my money for a bit. Sure excited that there will be new WWW sim coming but to convince me is an another story. Jason and Team have done that far and beyond already.

[Sim]

Competition is good, but I have my doubts the team can deliver.. I mean, what I would like to see is for them to take a single WW2 plane and make it at DCS level. And only then go for the full WW2 project and kickstarter. Their video is full of P51D and Fw-190 shots, which they had nothing to do with. I am just not sold..

Edited September 6, 2013 by Sim

[Revvin]

As little as $40 gets you the entire digital package of all the flyable aircraft in the game!

 

That's a concern I have, for us it's a great deal, especially if they hit any stretch goals but are they doing themselves out of future revenue by giving it away? If DCS planes cost around $40 like the P-51 then that deal on the kick starter gives away a lot of potential future sales for a low introductory price of $40

 

  

I see its a $100k goal for the first part to get the map and all the core game done. But I'm curious why the first stretch goal is $275k just for two aircraft and a couple if campaigns. Surely the former is more work than the latter.

The P-51 is already done by ED and I'm guessing the Dora isn't far off either so perhaps a lot of the first $100,000 is core development, missions etc and then the jump to $275,000 covers the cost of researching and building the other aircraft from scratch?

 

Reading through this thread I can't help but notice some of the more vocal negative comments... Look.. if you don't want to support the project then don't... but the negativity needs to be kept at a minimum.. This is not the place for it... If you have a beef with Oleg or Ilya or anyone else associated with that project take your concerns, gripes, rage or whatever over there.. Not here.

I was pretty annoyed about how CloD was handled but it was a £40 game, it wasn't life or death. If people are wary of a project by this person then fair enough but 1C were involved with CloD as well and it's not put off some of the DCS detractors here from pre-ordering BoS. I'm looking forward to both products I have BoS premium pre-ordered and ill chuck in some money towards DCS WWII and hope the reach their target. We've been through some pretty lean times for flight sims in recent years and I don't think it's good for the genre to have so much negativity and separatist mind sets so kudos to 777 for allowing this discussion on their own forums.

[Zmaj76]

Guys, if they dont reach the goal (100 000 bucks) you wont be charged. Its how kickstarter works.

Edited September 6, 2013 by Tvrdi

[BFsSmurfy]

^^^^

 

Guys, if they dont reach the goal (100 000 bucks) you wont be charged. Its how kickstarter works.

He`s right it`s a no-lose jobbie and isn`t that expensive. Good times ahead if we support both these projects as much as we can. I was annoyed by CloD, still am to a degree because it could have been a great, but at the end of the day it was $50, hardly life and death in the scheme of things.

[Mastermariner]

112! Its the dreamteam and I wish I could spend more.

 

Master

[Mac_Messer]

Guys, if they dont reach the goal (100 000 bucks) you wont be charged. Its how kickstarter works.

Ok, so if I contribute and it doesn`t reach the first goal I get my money back, right?

 

I`d like to support the idea of making as much detailed Gustav as possible, and fly it myself. I read the whole KS page and it seems that mp will be pretty much non existant. That said if the Gustav gets made in the same detail and love as the Mustang they say is made, I`m in. Waiting for my paycheck, I`ll think it through whether it gets to be 20$ or 40$, with the thought in mind that really for now the project is wishful thinking more than anything.

[Tektolnes]

Ok, so if I contribute and it doesn`t reach the first goal I get my money back, right?

Your money isn't even taken in the first place until the initial 100k is reached. When you pledge you're essentially just authorising your card to be debited if the initial goal is met.

 

Also it's going to be a K-4 that's modelled as they have the best data for that model.

[VeryOldMan]

Will play both. ..  well that if my damm hotas  arrive someday :/

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Where's that Nevada map ED promised a few years back?

The Nevada map is being developed for their new EDGE engine. I wouldn't expect to see it until that is released. I hope the WWII '44 is being developed for the new engine. The landscape is my only real peeve with the DCS engine.

 

Good to see that one the first day they are already over 20% of their goal.

 

This is my first time being involved in a kick starter project so it's going to be interesting to see how it goes!

[=CHN=Crash]

[JG4_Sputnik]

I don't mind so much the lack of the multyplayer (at launch) cause I will be having already CloD and BoS for that till they make it work.

 

I'm hoping for Oculus Rift support (why the hell didn't they mention it in the video, gave a way chance...??) and then I will be happy doing some offline ground missions with my fully complex P-47

(And hopefully some day some decent B17 missions as well).

 

East scenario BoS, West DCS – and then whatever they'll come up with, no loose scenario for a hardcore simmer, period.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Silly me!

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will boast an all-new EDGE landscape engine, as well as many new and updated features.

It's good to see that they are using free-to-play model as well. It will allow all those inclined to sit on the fence to wait it out and try before they buy. Everyone wins!

Edited September 6, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger

[FlatSpinMan]

I was very skeptical when I first heard about this, I must say. But watching the video - as simple and homemade as it is (yet honestly, that was part of the charm for me) - I thought, this really is a kickstarter project. There's not tons of money behind it, there's no big corporate backers, it's just a few guys who really want to make something good on their own terms. I've already got the BOS premium edition on preorder, but I think for this one I'm in, too.

Just got to decide for how much.

[FlatSpinMan]

Does DCS have self-shadowing and tree collisions? Just been browsing there for the first time and it seems there's no or limited tree collisions? Self shadowing I didn't notice. Anyone help?

[Bearcat]

I hope DCS ED know what they're getting...because Ilya's track record is questionable after CloD (really after PF)

I like DCS for my A-10, Black Shark and the Frog - I'll keep that one for modern combat, BoS for the WWII and RoF for WWI

(I gotta say, Im underwhelmed by the DCS Mustang)

 

mind you, I bought CloD on Steam for 10 bucks and I still feel like I got screwed - wings of prey was better

 

..no offense

 

I had no issues at all with PF.. aside from some of the early FM issues that were resolved.. WoP was not bad .. but WoP is another reason why I have trepidation about this.. I bought WoP and while it looked good .. and the FMs were decent...  IMO it died on the vine.. and I bought into the additional aircraft with the idea that they were going to make it better and what they came up with was WT. All WoP needed was a decent mission builder and some bigger maps to make it a competitor.. but for me they blew it big time. I bought CoD for full price.. and based that on Oleg, Ilya & 1C's rep... I am more disappointed by the fact that it died on the vine after so much time..

 

 

 

I was pretty annoyed about how CloD was handled but it was a £40 game, it wasn't life or death. If people are wary of a project by this person then fair enough but 1C were involved with CloD as well and it's not put off some of the DCS detractors here from pre-ordering BoS. I'm looking forward to both products I have BoS premium pre-ordered and ill chuck in some money towards DCS WWII and hope the reach their target. We've been through some pretty lean times for flight sims in recent years and I don't think it's good for the genre to have so much negativity and separatist mind sets so kudos to 777 for allowing this discussion on their own forums.

 

This is pretty much my take... although I would like to see a bit more...

 

I was very skeptical when I first heard about this, I must say. But watching the video - as simple and homemade as it is (yet honestly, that was part of the charm for me) - I thought, this really is a kickstarter project. There's not tons of money behind it, there's no big corporate backers, it's just a few guys who really want to make something good on their own terms. I've already got the BOS premium edition on preorder, but I think for this one I'm in, too.

Just got to decide for how much.

 

I get the same impression ...

[Recon]

I don't mind so much the lack of the multyplayer (at launch) cause I will be having already CloD and BoS for that till they make it work.

 

I'm hoping for Oculus Rift support (why the hell didn't they mention it in the video, gave a way chance...??) and then I will be happy doing some offline ground missions with my fully complex P-47

(And hopefully some day some decent B17 missions as well).

 

East scenario BoS, West DCS – and then whatever they'll come up with, no loose scenario for a hardcore simmer, period.

 

There will be MP at launch - you can fly p51 MP now.  I believe the references to multiplayer was around adding new multiplayer elements 

[Krupi]

This really is great news for us, competition is good for us it would be rather foolish not to put some money down.

 

The new edge engine looks great and that is probably my biggest gripe with DCS world.

 

I HATE the P-51 with a passion but I really do enjoy flying it in DCS, A ww2 study sim great news

[=CHN=Crash]

Does DCS have self-shadowing and tree collisions? Just been browsing there for the first time and it seems there's no or limited tree collisions? Self shadowing I didn't notice. Anyone help?

self-shadowing YES

tree collisions NOT YET

[FlatSpinMan]

Thanks, CHN Crash.

[dburne]

I just pledged 120 bucks so am officially in now - looking forward to what comes out of all this.

I have already spent 90 bucks on the Premium Edition of BOS and am sure I will be putting much more into it before it is over.

Got to support the genre!

[Marrond]

I would back $40 immediatelly IF it was another theatre... (Pacific, Africa..)

I already have DCS:P-51, so at least I will take her for a ride in her natural environment.

It will be expanding over time so no worries. Although tbh I can't wait to lay my hands over that possibly upcomming DCS title... fully functional and clickable cockpit with fully modeled mechanisms... Really it's like a wet dream I've waited for half of my life. Especialy after I've seen what they've done with P51D. I backed up both Battle of Stalingrad (premium) and DCS WW2 with my preorder (it's listed as 40$). Ladies and gentlemens - golden age is about to arrive for us!

[Mingan]

10$ is all I will give. There simply is no evidence yet to support that they can deliver quality game, and I don't want to give away my money based on beliefs and hope. Still, I hope they will succeed.